Nice fallacies. You completely discount the recovery from cancer as a factor. Like I said. No in depth knowledge. The equivalent of the guy in the stands who yells "shoot it"
- MJL

Totally dismissing Hart as well? Sucks what happened to the kid but sorry he would be very easily replaced.

Look, you figured it out.
- ClaudeFather

This season the NHL is holding a draft. What comes of this draft is it’s own draft class. A farm system is completely separate. It’s like a graduation. This year would be class of 2022.

Totally dismissing Hart as well? Sucks what happened to the kid but sorry he would be very easily replaced.
- ClaudeFather

Sure but would that player have the upside? How would another goalie other than the elite fair under the same circumstances? You don't have the ability to project, to think deeper. It's just a superficial adolescent response of he sucks from you.

Sure but would that player have the upside? How would another goalie other than the elite fair under the same circumstances? You don't have the ability to project, to think deeper. It's just a superficial adolescent response of he sucks from you.
- MJL

I have no idea how you judge Carter Hart based on how poor this team has played the last 2 years. If Shesterkian played for the Flyers, would the Flyers have been a playoff team?

I have no doubt if the Philadelphia Flyers folded tomorrow and the league had an opportunity to draft our players, at least half the roster would be successful somewhere else. The Flyers are currently being run by bad owners, bad management and Vigneault/Yeo were bad coaches. Most of the players are playing and developing under bad circumstances.

Sure but would that player have the upside? How would another goalie other than the elite fair under the same circumstances? You don't have the ability to project, to think deeper. It's just a superficial adolescent response of he sucks from you.
- MJL

He was dead least in the league one year save percentage. I totally agree the circumstances were tough and he does have upside but having upside doesn’t make you a good NHL player. He’s not been close to good.

I have no idea how you judge Carter Hart based on how poor this team has played the last 2 years. If Shesterkian played for the Flyers, would the Flyers have been a playoff team?
- rayc16

So you’d categorize him is a good goalie?

This season the NHL is holding a draft. What comes of this draft is it’s own draft class. A farm system is completely separate. It’s like a graduation. This year would be class of 2022.
- SuperSchennBros

If you can’t put this together there is no point in talking to you. It is more than fair to critique the 2018 prospect pool today.

Sure but would that player have the upside? How would another goalie other than the elite fair under the same circumstances? You don't have the ability to project, to think deeper. It's just a superficial adolescent response of he sucks from you.
- MJL

The funny thing is my superficial response is accurate of what actually happened and yours is based on promise and disregarding two seasons of poor play. But Lindblom and Hart are good NHL players, right.

I have no doubt if the Philadelphia Flyers folded tomorrow and the league had an opportunity to draft our players, at least half the roster would be successful somewhere else. The Flyers are currently being run by bad owners, bad management and Vigneault/Yeo were bad coaches. Most of the players are playing and developing under bad circumstances.
- SuperSchennBros

Can't argue with any of that. I also think if the Flyers had a 40 goal scorer or a 100 point player, this fanbase would find a reason to pick them apart.

If you can’t put this together there is no point in talking to you. It is more than fair to critique the 2018 prospect pool today.
- ClaudeFather

Do you know the difference between a draft class and a prospect pool? This isn’t an attack, I just think you worded what your criticizing wrong.

So you’d categorize him is a good goalie?
- ClaudeFather

I can't say good and I can't say bad. This team is so flawed in may ways.

Edit: I have no idea what the stats say, but I think he was personally better this year than last year while I think the team, somehow was worse this year than last year.

All of the injuries have hampered the development of the players playing a "200 foot game" and "Flyers Hockey"
- corduroy

The part that Bill snuck in at the end, about the team trying to mitigate weaknesses over maximizing strengths kinda speaks to what you're saying.

I can't say good and I can't say bad. This team is so flawed in may ways.

Edit: I have no idea what the stats say, but I think he was personally better this year than last year while I think the team, somehow was worse this year than last year.
- rayc16

You cant judge a goalie by stats only. You need to watch the games and put it in context. Too many variables with a goalie and just looking at stats.

I don’t agree that Carter Hart isn’t a good player in the NHL at this point.

Who would want to play goal for this team?

I have no idea how you judge Carter Hart based on how poor this team has played the last 2 years. If Shesterkian played for the Flyers, would the Flyers have been a playoff team?
- rayc16

Agreed on the first part but the more important part is that I don't believe that Shesterkin would've gotten as good as he is now playing on this team.

You cant judge a goalie by stats only. You need to watch the games and put it in context. Too many variables with a goalie and just looking at stats.
- hello it's me 2050

Do you agree he was better this year than last? That's what watching the games told me.

He was dead least in the league one year save percentage. I totally agree the circumstances were tough and he does have upside but having upside doesn’t make you a good NHL player. He’s not been close to good.
- ClaudeFather

Which year was that?

Agreed on the first part but the more important part is that I don't believe that Shesterkin would've gotten as good as he is now playing on this team.
- MJL

I don't either.

The funny thing is my superficial response is accurate of what actually happened and yours is based on promise and disregarding two seasons of poor play. But Lindblom and Hart are good NHL players, right.
- ClaudeFather

No, it's not accurate of what happened at all. For example you ignore that Lindblom in 18/19 took major steps in development and scored 17 goals and 16 assists while being an effective two way forward who is strong on the puck and solid defensively. The next season, he was well on his way to another strong season, putting up 11 goals in 30 games and then he got cancer and has been working his way back. That is what actually happened. That's the player the Flyers drafted and developed into a good NHL player. You want to pretend that a player who has a significant injury or illness that sets him back as a player doesn't factor in. It's no different than a player who blows out a knee. Sometimes it takes time to get back.

No, it's not accurate of what happened at all. For example you ignore that Lindblom in 18/19 took major steps in development and scored 17 goals and 16 assists while being an effective two way forward who is strong on the puck and solid defensively. The next season, he was well on his way to another strong season, putting up 11 goals in 30 games and then he got cancer and has been working his way back. That is what actually happened. That's the player the Flyers drafted and developed into a good NHL player. You want to pretend that a player who has a significant injury or illness that sets him back as a player doesn't factor in. It's no different than a player who blows out a knee. Sometimes it takes time to get back.
- MJL

How hard would it be to replace Oskar Lindblom? 30 games of good hockey doesn’t mean much.

Which year was that?
- MJL

20-21 dead last for goalies with 15+ games played. 84 out of 98 overall

Its amazing listening to all the media, news, the athletic, sirius, tsn, espn. Everyone mentions the culture in philly, and people argued endlessly last year that the culture was a myth.

Yes, was definitely a factor. Actually, they got outbid by the Flyers but the players wanted to sign together and Suter especially wanted to be able to live just enough off the grid in Minnesota to do a lot of fishing and generally not be bothered by people but close enough to commute to St. Paul. Had his heart set on that. (This is per Paul Holmgren talking to Jay Greenberg in Flyers at 50).
- bmeltzer

They both wanted to be in Minnesota. Neither Philly nor anyone else was going to get either of them as long as Minnesota made a competitive offer for both. Maybe more importantly for Zach is that Alisha(his wife) wanted to be close to home. They were essentially bidding against themselves. The Wild could have gone 9-10 years on term and sent the same message and they wouldn’t have a buyout.

No, it's not accurate of what happened at all. For example you ignore that Lindblom in 18/19 took major steps in development and scored 17 goals and 16 assists while being an effective two way forward who is strong on the puck and solid defensively. The next season, he was well on his way to another strong season, putting up 11 goals in 30 games and then he got cancer and has been working his way back. That is what actually happened. That's the player the Flyers drafted and developed into a good NHL player. You want to pretend that a player who has a significant injury or illness that sets him back as a player doesn't factor in. It's no different than a player who blows out a knee. Sometimes it takes time to get back.
- MJL

Most of you are gonna just let me have it but this has been my beliefs of Nolan Patrick. Now do I believe if Patrick didn’t have the injuries he did, he would have become the dominant center we were hoping for? Probably not. I think he’d at least be better than what he’s shown so far. I just think we have to factor in what’s led him to now. I was a huge Patrick supporter and apart of me is still pulling for him. It just sucks that things have turned out the way they did. I can’t blame Patrick for being miserable as he carries the weight of one concussion after another with a high expectation these injuries won’t allow him to see through.