I believe that is correct, but he would be moved as soon as possible if he signed an offer sheet. He is one of the better trade chips the Leafs have, so moving him before there's an offer sheet on the table might be the way to go.
- winsix

Once he signs he can not be traded.

Leafs have one week or whatever it is to decline or sign it.

Once he signs he can not be traded for a year.

You guys slay me.

When you’re done backing the bus over Sandin just because Dubas is so capped out he can’t match an offer sheet on a young first round pick defenceman who they haven’t even fully evaluated yet, let me know.
- fifty__missions

I’m going to assume you understand the difference between being to afford matching an offer sheet and deciding it’s not worth it. Would you match at $2?, 2.5?, $4? The return for all those is a second.

There’s nothing wrong with Sandin being aggressive. Most here agree with that. Once Gio was signed, things got tight on the left. If Muzzin stays Dubas either has to find a way to sign Sandin or trade him. He has options, those options are tied up in other trade deals and he’s exploring them now. But I’m sure the worst possible outcome is about to hit us - locusts and such

I’m going to assume you understand the difference between being to afford matching an offer sheet and deciding it’s not worth it. Would you match at $2?, 2.5?, $4? The return for all those is a second.

There’s nothing wrong with Sandin being aggressive. Most here agree with that. Once Gio was signed, things got tight on the left. If Muzzin stays Dubas either has to find a way to sign Sandin or trade him. He has options, those options are tied up in other trade deals and he’s exploring them now. But I’m sure the worst possible outcome is about to hit us - locusts and such
- Canada Cup

Dubas forgot Sandin was on the roster, its so obvious

Then there's this guy that drank a liter of Pink Lemonade in 30 seconds-


- GreatGigInTheSky

Badland Chugs!


I cannot watch his youtube videos. They are gross.

I’m going to assume you understand the difference between being to afford matching an offer sheet and deciding it’s not worth it. Would you match at $2?, 2.5?, $4? The return for all those is a second.

There’s nothing wrong with Sandin being aggressive. Most here agree with that. Once Gio was signed, things got tight on the left. If Muzzin stays Dubas either has to find a way to sign Sandin or trade him. He has options, those options are tied up in other trade deals and he’s exploring them now. But I’m sure the worst possible outcome is about to hit us - locusts and such
- Canada Cup

R,D,R,D,R,D,….

I think Sandin should be signed without an offer sheet. Can be traded then.

Leafs wouldn't match a $4M offer. 2nd round pick to the Leafs, ($2.055M to $4.11M is the range for only a 2nd round pick this year) I think they would match anything under $3M and trade his ass ASAP. Wouldn't be his best career move IMO.
- winsix

There have been 2 OS's in the last 9 years ...and those two were just Montreal and the Cane's play fighting with each other.

For the Leafs to blink it'd have to be one or two years at 4.1M or a longer term deal like 5x5M.

I think this is more about how he feels about his fit when he looks at the roster. Dubas and Co. will make him feel better. As 50 points out ..that's the part they're good at ...the being ruthless part - not so much.

I think Sandin should be signed without an offer sheet. Can be traded then.
- Aaron_85

Does Dubas have some dirt on him and can force him to sign one?

Maybe it's more than a liter. Not entirely sure, but I think that's what they said.

Also said the world record was 34 seconds and that behemoth beat his own world record.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Ya, maybe it's a 2L bottle ...that'd be tough.

I'm confident with my chugging though. Don't tell Zezel but I have like zero gag reflex. I should have been a Belushi.

Agreed. But we all know Kyle doesn’t play hardball.
- fifty__missions

So what’s hardball in this situation? The McDonagh decision was easy. The guy was an anchor for 4 years at $6.75 or something. Yeah, Brisbois.

It’s not as straightforward with Muzzin and Sandin. They have Muzzin for two years and after next year he’s only got a partial NTC. He was very good in the playoffs and replacing him with Sandin means you lose some toughness.

Muzzin has also been on a pretty sharp downward trend while Sandin projects (at least in my mind) to be a very good D-man). Whatever decision you make is going to be a 60-40 type thing and will be coloured by whatever return you get if you trade someone.

In this context, I just don’t see the normal cliches of hardball or being taken to the woodshed as making a lot of sense.

So what’s hardball in this situation? The McDonagh decision was easy. The guy was an anchor for 4 years at $6.75 or something. Yeah, Brisbois.

It’s not as straightforward with Muzzin and Sandin. They have Muzzin for two years and next year he’s only got a partial NTC. He was very good in the playoffs and replacing him with Sandin means you lose some toughness.

Muzzin has also been on a pretty sharp downward trend while Sandin projects (at least in my mind) to be a very good D-man). Whatever decision you make is going to be a 60-40 type thing and will be coloured by whatever return you get if you trade someone.

In this context, I just don’t see the normal cliches of hardball or being taken to the woodshed as making a lot of sense.
- Canada Cup

Only fifty

So what’s hardball in this situation? The McDonagh decision was easy. The guy was an anchor for 4 years at $6.75 or something. Yeah, Brisbois.

It’s not as straightforward with Muzzin and Sandin. They have Muzzin for two years and next year he’s only got a partial NTC. He was very good in the playoffs and replacing him with Sandin means you lose some toughness.

Muzzin has also been on a pretty sharp downward trend while Sandin projects (at least in my mind) to be a very good D-man). Whatever decision you make is going to be a 60-40 type thing and will be coloured by whatever return you get if you trade someone.

In this context, I just don’t see the normal cliches of hardball or being taken to the woodshed as making a lot of sense.
- Canada Cup

You hardball Muzzins ass out the door McDonagh style, sign Sandin, and add some real toughness on the cheap as depth D.

You hardball Muzzins ass out the door McDonagh style, sign Sandin, and add some real toughness on the cheap as depth D.
- fifty__missions

Do you even know where you can buy severed horses heads?

Does Dubas have some dirt on him and can force him to sign one?
- Santo_44

If they went to him and said "2 years and 1 million each" he's going to walk away? As someone said, there's been 2 in like a decade. It's improbable that he's going to hold out for an offer sheet.

Do you even know where you can buy severed horses heads?
- Canada Cup

No, but we all know this discussion is moot. Not Kyle’s style.

You hardball Muzzins ass out the door McDonagh style, sign Sandin, and add some real toughness on the cheap as depth D.
- fifty__missions

I know you'd love to blame Muzzin's personal preference on keeping him and his family in Toronto for another year but that simply is just plain Dubas hate and you can not tell me otherwise.

If Muzzin is willing to Leave he will explore that and moving Sandin. Lets hope Muzzin makes that an option.

No, but we all know this discussion is moot. Not Kyle’s style.
- fifty__missions

He moved Z's 7 year 4.5M actor contract.

You are simply wrong here.

Only fifty
- Santo_44

Hey man, I thought I read you wanted Muzz moved too. That ain’t happening in typical Kyle “Kumbaya” style.

Hey man, I thought I read you wanted Muzz moved too. That ain’t happening in typical Kyle “Kumbaya” style.
- fifty__missions

I do.

Its Muzzin who gets a final say.

He moved Z's 7 year 4.5M actor contract.

You are simply wrong here.
- Santo_44

Right. Kyle the hardass negotiator. Not wedded to his bois at all!

To be fair Z was Lou’s. So, like Naz, he got his ass thrown out of town.

He is a god at giving up assets to make his and others mistakes go away I’ll give him that. Someone in here wants Connor Brown back, someone else M. Marchmont, some even want Naz back…

Right. Kyle the hardass negotiator. Not wedded to his bois at all!
- fifty__missions

You clearly hate Dubas and refuse to talk rationally.

You do you man.

So what’s hardball in this situation? The McDonagh decision was easy. The guy was an anchor for 4 years at $6.75 or something. Yeah, Brisbois.

It’s not as straightforward with Muzzin and Sandin. They have Muzzin for two years and next year he’s only got a partial NTC. He was very good in the playoffs and replacing him with Sandin means you lose some toughness.

Muzzin has also been on a pretty sharp downward trend while Sandin projects (at least in my mind) to be a very good D-man). Whatever decision you make is going to be a 60-40 type thing and will be coloured by whatever return you get if you trade someone.

In this context, I just don’t see the normal cliches of hardball or being taken to the woodshed as making a lot of sense.
- Canada Cup

23 minutes a night against the other teams best anchor. He's still got game. But moving him was the best way to create the cap flexibility they needed.

In a world where people (on here) are suggesting $4M offer sheets for Sandin ...McD and Muzzin at their numbers can't look so bad.

My plan would be to do what you have to to get buy-in from Sandin b/c I agree this is almost assuredly Muzzin's last year in town given his contract and I like Sandin a lot. Get Sandin to hang in for a year. Lots of minutes on the left and right to go around.

Hey man, I thought I read you wanted Muzz moved too. That ain’t happening in typical Kyle “Kumbaya” style.
- fifty__missions

Thank god we don't have to come here to read you ripping on Kyle Dubas & his terrible GM'ing daily right?

At least you don't hate him right?

Never mind you chirping people for 'backing the bus' over Sandin and their opinions on him, I mean it's not like you ever drone on and on and on in a negative way about anything right?

If they went to him and said "2 years and 1 million each" he's going to walk away? As someone said, there's been 2 in like a decade. It's improbable that he's going to hold out for an offer sheet.
- Aaron_85

Yes, I think he would say no. Maybe the real fight is that the Leafs are trying to get a 2 yr deal and he's offered to sign a 1 yr believing that he will have a good year and cash in.

Thank god we don't have to come here to read you ripping on Kyle Dubas & his terrible GM'ing daily right?

At least you don't hate him right?

Never mind you chirping people for 'backing the bus' over Sandin and their opinions on him, I mean it's not like you ever drone on and on and on in a negative way about anything right?
- Cush29

Funny how a mod outright mocks me for a comment I’ve made about the term “hate” being used.