30 or so hours until the draft. I have a gut feeling that Debrincat will NOT be traded.
- boilermaker100

Because it never made sense in the first place (from either side, Hawks or the team trading a boat load for him)

Ryan Rishaug from TSN reporting that Duncan Keith is considering retirement as an option.
- Theo Fox

Keith should make a decision (which I thought he was asked to by July 1). By not doing so, he is not only tying the hands of Ken Holland but also Davidson since neither team knows how much cap space they will have leading up to this busy trade and free agency period.

Because it never made sense in the first place (from either side, Hawks or the team trading a boat load for him)
- vabeachbear

Ultimately you may be right, but it definitely made sense to explore the possibilities. All options on the table.

Ultimately you may be right, but it definitely made sense to explore the possibilities. All options on the table.
- Ogilthorpe2

Oh sure. You have to do that.

The more you think about it, would you if you were any of the serious conversation teams, NJ, Philly, etc. would you give up what the Hawks are supposedly asking?

Because that's the bar for the trade, now KD looks bad if he trades Cat for anything less.

Keith should make a decision (which I thought he was asked to by July 1). By not doing so, he is not only tying the hands of Ken Holland but also Davidson since neither team knows how much cap space they will have leading up to this busy trade and free agency period.
- boilermaker100

If I were him, none of this would go into my decision. Big decision on his part, he should take whatever time he needs to make it.

Agree, gut feeling here that cat stays.

Also think everyone is setting themselves up for a big let down on the return if the trade does go down. Some of the demands thrown out by fans is nuts.

Lots of factors at play, who gets drafted, what other top 6 wingers become available, which of those can be had at a lower price, cat willing to move to and sign with that team long term, and is that team willing to offer the contract to get cat to sign in that city.

Oh sure. You have to do that.

The more you think about it, would you if you were any of the serious conversation teams, NJ, Philly, etc. would you give up what the Hawks are supposedly asking?

Because that's the bar for the trade, now KD looks bad if he trades Cat for anything less.
- vabeachbear

Agree. Trade parameters are a two way street. Davidson hit the jackpot with the Hagel trade, so thus his rumored ask of multiple 1st round picks and a top prospect or two for Debrincat. The other GM's realize he may just become a 2 year rental so they aren't going to give up all that.

Theo,

You should rename this the Hawks/Politics board............

came back after taking a break to get away from the political talk on a hockey board, figured the drafts coming up, no one will be focusing on politics any more
- vabeachbear

I apologize for mine, but blame Ogi, since he's looking for real estate in Novokuznetsk, Russia, just NE of Mongolia...

If I were him, none of this would go into my decision. Big decision on his part, he should take whatever time he needs to make it.
- vabeachbear

Not directed to you, but what happens if Keith decides to retire in mid October just after the season starts when rosters and cap space are set. If the Hawks are near the cap after various off season moves, how do they absorb the 5.5M recapture penalty for this season? Does the league just push back the penalty by a year?

At this point, my gut started feeling no 'cat deal either, but never underestimate a team adding a scorer.

Anybody know if Dinky & his reps were contacted (allowed by Chicago) by the franchises to see what a long term re-up will cost, b/c that is biggest roadblock.

No team wants to take for a guy who wants to be a UFA, or has over-priced himself in their eyes.

Agree. Trade parameters are a two way street. Davidson hit the jackpot with the Hagel trade, so thus his rumored ask of multiple 1st round picks and a top prospect or two for Debrincat. The other GM's realize he may just become a 2 year rental so they aren't going to give up all that.
- boilermaker100

Everybody here is focused on the Hawks and ADB. That's OK but GM's around the league are watching other stuff too before making any moves - what happens if Gaudreau leaves Calgary as a UFA and signs elsewhere?; are the Flames going to keep or move Tkachuk when he will be due a $9M qualifying offer next summer?; the Leafs need to sign or find a goalie but may have no room to sign their other free agent forwards; where will Evander Kane end up?

Lots of balls in the air, trades more likely to happen after the free agency period opens and signings occur.

At this point, my gut started feeling no 'cat deal either, but never underestimate a team adding a scorer.

Anybody know if Dinky & his reps were contacted (allowed by Chicago) by the franchises to see what a long term re-up will cost, b/c that is biggest roadblock.

No team wants to take for a guy who wants to be a UFA, or has over-priced himself in their eyes.
- wiz1901

funny my gut tells me the Cat is already gone paper work will be filed tomorrow and announced at the draft pure entertainment purposes .Hawks will be selecting 2nd and selecting Cooley Head it here 1st

I apologize for mine, but blame Ogi, since he's looking for real estate in Novokuznetsk, Russia, just NE of Mongolia...
- wiz1901

Marseille

Food paradise.

Hawks should try to trade the rights to Kubalik to anyone who showed interest in Dcat for a pick. Not the same player obviously, but still a winger with some scoring ability.

Kate Madigan named Assistant GM for the Devils. Maybe she and Meghan Hunter can get together and work out the parameters of a Debrincat trade. Get some women involved and not some guys who are trying to win the biggest d*** contest. LOL.

Agree, gut feeling here that cat stays.

Also think everyone is setting themselves up for a big let down on the return if the trade does go down. Some of the demands thrown out by fans is nuts.

Lots of factors at play, who gets drafted, what other top 6 wingers become available, which of those can be had at a lower price, cat willing to move to and sign with that team long term, and is that team willing to offer the contract to get cat to sign in that city.
- TheDrumonMadison

This has always been the key to a decent return.

I don’t understand the hesitancy to sign Strome. Even if he’s not in the long term plans, it seems to me like he’d be more tradeable if the ?’s surrounding his contract status were answered first. Unless he’s asking for the moon.

I really don’t care if he’s traded, but right now he seems like more of an asset if he’s on the team, than he is as a trade chip. If he signs a reasonable contract, and then can pick up next season where he left off at the end of last season..then he’d garner a much larger return. Worth the risk IMO.

I don’t understand the hesitancy to sign Strome. Even if he’s not in the long term plans, it seems to me like he’d be more tradeable if the ?’s surrounding his contract status were answered first. Unless he’s asking for the moon.

I really don’t care if he’s traded, but right now he seems like more of an asset if he’s on the team, than he is as a trade chip.
- Ogilthorpe2

Maybe they are waiting on a resolution of the Debrincat situation during the draft. If Cat not moved, then they could sign Strome and reunite the 12-17-88 line for next season.

I don’t understand the hesitancy to sign Strome. Even if he’s not in the long term plans, it seems to me like he’d be more tradeable if the ?’s surrounding his contract status were answered first. Unless he’s asking for the moon.

I really don’t care if he’s traded, but right now he seems like more of an asset if he’s on the team, than he is as a trade chip. If he signs a reasonable contract, and then can pick up next season where he left off at the end of last season..then he’d garner a much larger return. Worth the risk IMO.
- Ogilthorpe2

His qualifying offer is $3.6, my guess he is asking for $5 mil.. He does have arbitration rights Schmautz got $5.8M, and his stats are comparable. (Remember it is an arbitrator, he is going to look at production, not who is the better skater, etc.) I highly doubt KD wants to go to arbitration. I also believe the teams that would want Strome cannot swallow a $5 mil. salary, with nothing coming back. I also don't think KD will let him go FA without getting nothing in return. IMO Strome is still with the team with a salary just north of $4 mil. on a 2 year term.

Kubalik QO is $4 mil. Nobody is going to trade for that. I don't think KD would offer him more than $3 mil., only if he doesn't believe that Kubalik is blocking someone else from playing. If Kubalik insists on $4 mil. or over, IMO KD does not qualify him.

EDIT: Just read Ben Pope's piece in the Sun-Times. he believes neither would get a qualifying offer if KD can't trade them by next Sunday (QO offer deadline)

Kate Madigan named Assistant GM for the Devils. Maybe she and Meghan Hunter can get together and work out the parameters of a Debrincat trade. Get some women involved and not some guys who are trying to win the biggest d*** contest. LOL.
- boilermaker100

I think that is part of the problem as well for the Debrincat trade. The Hawks brass - even though they're saying the Cartman "I do what I want" - they are operating under the impression that this is a trade that they have to win in the eyes of the fan base.

Personally I'd ask for 4 or 5 assets but settle for 3.

All of the teams that have reloaded, Tampa Bay was kind of on the fly but when they bottomed out at the end of the St Louis era they took Stamkos and Hedman in back to back drafts.

There was one playoff appearnce in there with Boucher getting them deep but otherwise it took 6 years after Stamkos was drafted before them to start being competitive again and their only veteran forward comparable MStL was moved partway through the season.

And even their assets that didn't work out they turned into opportunities to throw more darts or something useful and they've been ruthless moving guys that don't fit.

For example: Brett Connolley turned into two seconds. Tony Deangelo was moved for a second. Drunin turned into Sergachev. Namestnikov was part of the deal that turned into Miller and McDonagh and Coo Coo turned into Ruuta who ended up being a solid option for them on the third pairing.

They've gotten value for a lot of their misses and they have not been afraid to move guys. The Hawks on the other hand have really seemed to over value the assets they have and they have been very poor at getting any value for their misses or guys that don't fit in the org.

Hagel is hopefully a turn in the right direction but at a certain point they are going to have to budge a bit to get assets that will help them rebuild.

Anyway - you have to figure it is about a 7 year project for the Hawks assuming they get an early pick in this years draft and don't miss. If they can't get a deal done its pushed back for obvious reasons.

I think that if the offer from NJ is the second overall + an unprotected 2023 1st + solid young asset you take it and commit fully to the process.

I don’t understand the hesitancy to sign Strome. Even if he’s not in the long term plans, it seems to me like he’d be more tradeable if the ?’s surrounding his contract status were answered first. Unless he’s asking for the moon.

I really don’t care if he’s traded, but right now he seems like more of an asset if he’s on the team, than he is as a trade chip. If he signs a reasonable contract, and then can pick up next season where he left off at the end of last season..then he’d garner a much larger return. Worth the risk IMO.
- Ogilthorpe2

Why would the Hawks have any interest in qualifying this slow skating, non physical stiff for the purposes of re-signing him at an inflated price? If he takes them to arbitration he probably wins an award of $5M based on his meaningless offensive stats.

Plus, they are already stuck with Tyler Johnson for 2 more years at $5M per.

Down the middle it will be Toews, Johnson, Dach, Reichel and somebody they can grab off another team's scrap heap.

And Strome can walk his dog around Mississauga until another team is stupid enough to pay his asking price.

I think that if the offer from NJ is the second overall + an unprotected 2023 1st + solid young asset you take it and commit fully to the process.
- fattybeef

Look, I would be happy with second overall and an unprotected 2023 and go with that.

You draft second overall and you fail, that says a lot about your new amateur head scout.

I see that the cat might make them jump up in the standings but to the playoffs that first year? I dunno.

So that is a lottery pick in a year when draft #2 is barely a consolation and drafting 16th gets you a prospect with more guarantees than the ned of the top ten does this year.

I think NOT trading DeBrincat sets up an awkward situation that both team and player will try to comment on as being, "just the business side," it sort of screws further negotiations if I am the cat...NOW, I ask for more because I think I am nor=t staying long, and NOW, I am not sure my family is so in love with my Chicago condo, the parks, and the team....

Mike Zeisberger
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Sweeney confirms that DeBrusk has rescinded his trade request. #Bruins

Hope he doesn't break his wrist. The Hawks are supposed to be trading for him..

Bruce Garrioch
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Ridly Greig will play for Canada at world junior. Merilainen and Jarventie for Finland as well. #Sens

For those who are interested in the goalies.

Bruce Garrioch
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Matt Murray is healthy. He’s working out at the rink. Will go on the ice next week. #Sens