I don't get why so many people are so horny over this guy? Don't get me wrong I like the player but I wouldn't call him a power forward or anything. Where does he fit for the Leafs? 3rd line? I don't see him as talented enough to play on the 2nd line personally but what do I know.

He was a Leaf and got traded so he could get a chance and had a big year last year.

One big year exactly.

Sure he was excellent value for the contract and I'd take him at 1M or under but I personally think his one big year was an outlier and he is not going to be the player we saw last year for his career, history sure doesn't support that anyhow.

Last year was the first time he scored more than 15 goals in a single season since he played for the Coburg Cougars in 2013/2014 for god sakes!

He had a whopping 10 points (2 goals and 8 assists) in 33 games the prior year in Florida.
- Cush29

I'm probably biased, like I am for a lot of the guys I watched with the Marlies. I never wanted the Leafs to trade him. I made that clear when the trade happened.

He's finally coming into his own. He didn't start playing hockey until he was 16ish. Learning how to skate and everything took it's time, but it's finally paying off.

He'd be an excellent signing for the Leafs.

I'm probably biased, like I am for a lot of the guys I watched with the Marlies. I never wanted the Leafs to trade him. I made that clear when the trade happened.

He's finally coming into his own. He didn't start playing hockey until he was 16ish. Learning how to skate and everything took it's time, but it's finally paying off.

He'd be an excellent signing for the Leafs.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I think he signs 3 or 4x 3.5Mish and it will be a rare value FA signing for a team.

Just not sure if the leafs can afford for him to be their addition on F. Need a legit top 6 F.

I think Marchment is a top 9 who can play top 6 mins next to good players.

CJ said Sandin does not want to come at a discount like Lil took.

I kinda understand where he is coming from...Lil is a RD and knows he will get playing time plus there is known chemistry with GIO.

Sandin sucked on the RS and is behind 3 veteran LHD.

Its either make it so I go into the year knowing I am not behind the 8 ball or give me the money.
- Santo_44

I'll be honest, I don't see how Sandin getting Liljegren's contract isn't fair. Liljegren's been better but Sandin wants more $$$? Crazy talk.

I'm probably biased, like I am for a lot of the guys I watched with the Marlies. I never wanted the Leafs to trade him. I made that clear when the trade happened.

He's finally coming into his own. He didn't start playing hockey until he was 16ish. Learning how to skate and everything took it's time, but it's finally paying off.

He'd be an excellent signing for the Leafs.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Appreciate the admission of bias and I can totally understand wanting to see a player you watched at a level lower than the NHL be successful. I was not aware he didn't start playing hockey until he was 16 and find that shocking considering the fact his dad was an NHL player - that's pretty rare.

If they can sign him on the cheap I'm all in but as I said I think he gets his payday now from someone and who can blame him?

I'm probably biased, like I am for a lot of the guys I watched with the Marlies. I never wanted the Leafs to trade him. I made that clear when the trade happened.

He's finally coming into his own. He didn't start playing hockey until he was 16ish. Learning how to skate and everything took it's time, but it's finally paying off.

He'd be an excellent signing for the Leafs.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Appreciate the admission of bias and I can totally understand wanting to see a player you watched at a level lower than the NHL be successful. I was not aware he didn't start playing hockey until he was 16 and find that shocking considering the fact his dad was an NHL player - that's pretty rare.

If they can sign him on the cheap I'm all in but as I said I think he gets his payday now from someone and who can blame him?

I think he signs 3 or 4x 3.5Mish and it will be a rare value FA signing for a team.

Just not sure if the leafs can afford for him to be their addition on F. Need a legit top 6 F.

I think Marchment is a top 9 who can play top 6 mins next to good players.
- Santo_44

I'd have no problem at all putting him on the left of Tavares and Bill Ny. He'd do the exact things the line requires.

And as a bonus, replace the shorthanded hole left by Mikheyev. Win/win.

If its the money/years you said, I'd do it were I the Leafs.

Appreciate the admission of bias and I can totally understand wanting to see a player you watched at a level lower than the NHL be successful. I was not aware he didn't start playing hockey until he was 16 and find that shocking considering the fact his dad was an NHL player - that's pretty rare.

If they can sign him on the cheap I'm all in but as I said I think he gets his payday now from someone and who can blame him?
- Cush29

You're probably right.

I'm hoping he was as pissed as his dad was when he was traded, and wants to come back.

I'll be honest, I don't see how Sandin getting Liljegren's contract isn't fair. Liljegren's been better but Sandin wants more $$$? Crazy talk.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Sandin has more upside but really hasn’t had as much of an opportunity. The issue is that he wants to use the negotiations and potential of an offer sheet to push for a chance to play real minutes. He’s being squeezed and if the Leafs aren’t going to move Muzzin or give a real shot on the right he’s going to push back. Whether he wants more $$ or not really isn’t the issues. He’s making it known he’s not happy.

Kyle’s too loyal for the job. Unless you are not one of his boyz, like Kadri. The one guy who was arguably too competitive - see ya!
- fifty__missions

Bang on

How is this "bang on"? Unless "Bang on" also means "does dumb things in the playoffs and gets suspended and never learns from that and does it over and over again". For god sakes Kadri was suspended 3 straight playoffs and arguably could have been this year too.

I loved Kadri as a Leaf but I HATED that he didn't have enough self control or discipline to avoid being suspended in the playoffs twice and I was fine with him being traded due to this fact alone. Not many teams (and certainly not the Leafs) can afford to have a 5M centre suspended in the playoffs and expect to win.

I'm happy for him that Kadri won a cup but I don't know if he has actually changed as a player or not as it relates to his self control - time will tell I guess.

The pining and moaning about a former Leaf player when they have success elsewhere but were not having that success as a leaf is something I just can't wrap my head around. Is the expectation a team just hold on to a poor performer or under performer "just in case" they figure it out and become a player it was hoped or dreamed they would or could become?

This is not something that only happens to the Leafs, they have benefitted from players leaving a team and suddenly figuring it out in Toronto it happens to every team and sometimes players just need to play elsewhere to find success for a whole host of reasons.

Sandin has more upside but really hasn’t had as much of an opportunity. The issue is that he wants to use the negotiations and potential of an offer sheet to push for a chance to play real minutes. He’s being squeezed and if the Leafs aren’t going to move Muzzin or give a real shot on the right he’s going to push back. Whether he wants more $$ or not really isn’t the issues. He’s making it known he’s not happy.
- Canada Cup

Yeah this seems to be it.

Players sign a team friendly bridge deal to play and make more on the next deal...Sandin isnt in the position to happily take a cheap bridge deal because the opportunity to play here is quite poor.

He just saw what happened to Dermott...He wants to be making 5M on his next deal not 1.5 and fighting for mins only to be traded.

Muzzin or Sandin will not be here next season, I will put money on that.

A team will offer sheet him at 2M+.

If the Leafs aren't going to open a spot for him then he gets a team to offer sheet him at 2.1M and they risk giving up a 2nd for him. He either goes to a better position for him or stays on the Leafs and makes 2.1M for a year

You're probably right.

I'm hoping he was as pissed as his dad was when he was traded, and wants to come back.
- GreatGigInTheSky

It would be nice!

Sandin has more upside but really hasn’t had as much of an opportunity. The issue is that he wants to use the negotiations and potential of an offer sheet to push for a chance to play real minutes. He’s being squeezed and if the Leafs aren’t going to move Muzzin or give a real shot on the right he’s going to push back. Whether he wants more $$ or not really isn’t the issues. He’s making it known he’s not happy.
- Canada Cup

The Leafs could argue he's had twice opportunity that Liljegren has. Because he has. Liljegren had been the Marlies best player for years and they brought up Sandin before him.

If he's getting more $$$ than Liljegren, then there better be many more years on his deal.

The Leafs could argue he's had twice opportunity that Liljegren has. Because he has. Liljegren had been the Marlies best player for years and they brought up Sandin before him.

If he's getting more $$$ than Liljegren, then there better be many more years on his deal.
- GreatGigInTheSky

He can get an offer sheet and get more money than Liljregren.

I do not blame him one bit. It is his career and I see exactly where he is coming from.

Yeah this seems to be it.

Players sign a team friendly bridge deal to play and make more on the next deal...Sandin isnt in the position to happily take a cheap bridge deal because the opportunity to play here is quite poor.

He just saw what happened to Dermott...He wants to be making 5M on his next deal not 1.5 and fighting for mins only to be traded.

Muzzin or Sandin will not be here next season, I will put money on that.

A team will offer sheet him at 2M+.

If the Leafs aren't going to open a spot for him then he gets a team to offer sheet him at 2.1M and they risk giving up a 2nd for him. He either goes to a better position for him or stays on the Leafs and makes 2.1M for a year
- Santo_44

I agree with that.

Yeah this seems to be it.

Players sign a team friendly bridge deal to play and make more on the next deal...Sandin isnt in the position to happily take a cheap bridge deal because the opportunity to play here is quite poor.

He just saw what happened to Dermott...He wants to be making 5M on his next deal not 1.5 and fighting for mins only to be traded.

Muzzin or Sandin will not be here next season, I will put money on that.

A team will offer sheet him at 2M+.
- Santo_44

Muzzin moves from full to 10 team no trade in the next off-season. But obviously they don’t know how well he’s going to hold up this year. Maybe they can reduce his minutes and get another good playoff performance out of him. It would be a drag if it cost them Sandin.

They either have to convince Sandin, both through their contract and how they tell him he’s going to be played that they’re committed to him, or they have to move him or Muzzin. If he holds out, someone is going send an offer sheet and we’ll lose him for a second. I’m not convinced he got a full shot at the right side.

Muzzin moves from full to 10 team no trade in the next off-season. But obviously they don’t know how well he’s going to hold up this year. Maybe they can reduce his minutes and get another good playoff performance out of him. It would be a drag if it cost them Sandin.

They either have to convince Sandin, both through their contract and how they tell him he’s going to be played that they’re committed to him, or they have to move him or Muzzin. If he holds out, someone is going send an offer sheet and we’ll lose him for a second. I’m not convinced he got a full shot at the right side.
- Canada Cup

Its not just about receiving a shot...He did suck there when he did play. It is likely that he plays worse on that side regardless and therefore will make less money on his next deal.

Bottom line as long as Rielly,Muzzin and Gio are here this is not a good opportunity for Sandin. Dermott was once a promising D man as well and was mismanaged to a degree.

I am shipping out Muzzin if there is even an ounce of chance that he waives to go to another team.

Really hope Sandin is here next season but its looking questionable right now.

Hagel might be an overpayment and a rare miss by Briesbois. Time will tell. I will say this though - what you saw with Katchouk and Raddysh is what you get. Their ceiling is not any higher than what they showed in Tampa. Katchouk is a 4th liner and Raddysh is checker with a slight scoring touch. Neither one is going to suddenly blossom outside the Tampa system.

Tampa was deep then and it's hard for prospects to crack the roster, but douchebag Cooper was good about giving them chances and a fair evaluation. Both were deemed expendable. Hagel is the wild card and so far I am not terribly impressed, although he did have a broken foot for half of the playoffs, to be fair. I'll withhold judgement for now.

Losing McD sucks bigtime. Tampa has nobody internally who can fill those skates. Sergachev will likely get bumped up to second pair with Cernak. The third pair is going to suck no matter what they do. Foote has improved somewhat, but he's still a 6/7 dman at this point. I like Bogo, but he's one step ahead of being a pylon. After them, it starts getting really bad with Claesson and rookies.

I hope Briesbois isn't hitting the pipe and thinking about keeping Myers. I mean, let him come to camp and evaluate where he's at in relation to what role Tampa might expect from him. But I expect his stay will be short.
- GalacticStone

I will agree it was a rare miss on a trade. But the way you explain it it seems Chicago got two Hagels (plus 2 first rounders) for one Hagel. Yeah I give him a slight pass for the playoffs and injury but he scored 4 goals after being traded and had like 6 points or something.

Next year will be the year to see if Tampa made the right trade. If he bounces back with a good performance maybe it isn't so bad a trade but he needs to be a 60+ point player. Also, too early to tell due to the 2 first rounders.

He can get an offer sheet and get more money than Liljregren.

I do not blame him one bit. It is his career and I see exactly where he is coming from.
- Santo_44

Plays even more into he'll be traded if Muzzin can't be.

I think he signs 3 or 4x 3.5Mish and it will be a rare value FA signing for a team.

Just not sure if the leafs can afford for him to be their addition on F. Need a legit top 6 F.

I think Marchment is a top 9 who can play top 6 mins next to good players.
- Santo_44

If he was smart he signs a 1-2 year deal bridge or just a Nick Paul 7 year bonanza. People creaming their pants over Paul forget he was 2 years removed from being a fourth line bust from the Spezza deal that could barely fight his way onto the worst roster in hockey.

No ...the spin would have been that if he didn't agree the Bolts would have to chop the team up by moving other guys. And that they'd have no chance to win unless he'd agree to be moved. They guilt tripped him. It was him ...or a bunch of his buddies.
His agent made it sound like that.
- The Law

Dubas wouldn't do that.

If he was smart he signs a 1-2 year deal bridge or just a Nick Paul 7 year bonanza. People creaming their pants over Paul forget he was 2 years removed from being a fourth line bust from the Spezza deal that could barely fight his way onto the worst roster in hockey.
- AdamFrench

Very much a "what have you done for me lately" type of thing. Same goes for the Marchment talk, Kadri talk, etc.

I've seen people want Marner traded still.

He can get an offer sheet and get more money than Liljregren.

I do not blame him one bit. It is his career and I see exactly where he is coming from.
- Santo_44

Great, ask for too much and enjoy the (frank)ing press box

https://twitter.com/JFres...tatus/1543954161187921921

If you go down the twitter thread, he tracked where the votes came from.

Pretend to be shocked.
- GreatGigInTheSky

people are paying attention to the Leafs good or bad or being a fan of the team or not

new blog everyone

Do we like Quick at 2.8M?

His actual salary is 2.5M so there would be no issues in getting another team to retain half for LA for cheap.

Muzzin to LA

Quick to Toronto at 2.8M

Either Kings retain or another team does

2.8M is a pretty good number for Quick IMO, not going to get a better goalie for cheaper but would need another for a tandem
- Santo_44

depends on what going back and who is still on team.
also that would be for 1 year of his service. would it be worth it?