Check out the video on Cutter being a fit for the Sens at #7.

https://www.tsn.ca/ottawa...in-white-buyout-1.1821331

Let's not forget how much DJ hated Colin White!
- Kevin Francis

I feel bad for White who is certainly a solid if unspectacular NHL player and by all accounts a good guy and good locker room presence. Reminds me of Curtis Lazar. He never earned that contract before it was signed, feels like our front office set him up to fail.

Colin White put on waivers for purpose of buyout!
- Kevin Francis

Just visiting from the Chicago board. So is this a cost savings measure, or are there plans to use his 4.75M over the next three years? Will in be put toward an offer sheet, a UFA, or trade?

I feel bad for White who is certainly a solid if unspectacular NHL player and by all accounts a good guy and good locker room presence. Reminds me of Curtis Lazar. He never earned that contract before it was signed, feels like our front office set him up to fail.
- Bartacus

Oh you took the words out of my mouth. Boucher screwed Lazar and he did the same Nick Paul until DJ arrived. Then DJ couldn't stand White....in both instances our GM screwed it all up, he allowed each player to not develop due to the coach!

Just visiting from the Chicago board. So is this a cost savings measure, or are there plans to use his 4.75M over the next three years? Will in be put toward an offer sheet, a UFA, or trade?
- boilermaker100

Always great to have fans from other teams in the discussion! With the buyout period set to end July 12th....I am sure PD hopes someone picks up White on waivers but why would you when you could get him for 1M on a short term deal after the buyout. It is beyond a cost savings measure for sure, but naturally they will use the money saved since this is the most ridiculous budget team in the league...if Ottawa cant get who they want via trade or UFA then RFA is a way this team will go!

The sens are such a mess makes buf and ari look competent
- Mithos

I remember Ian Mendes saying at the deadline, for three years PD lied to the fanbase and if they are in the same position next year at the deadline, out of the playoffs....then you call us Buffalo!

Always great to have fans from other teams in the discussion! With the buyout period set to end July 12th....I am sure PD hopes someone picks up White on waivers but why would you when you could get him for 1M on a short term deal after the buyout. It is beyond a cost savings measure for sure, but naturally they will use the money saved since this is the most ridiculous budget team in the league...if Ottawa cant get who they want via trade or UFA then RFA is a way this team will go!
- Kevin Francis

Colin White is an obvious outcome. The buy out costs is 1/3 the actual dollar value of the contract spread over 6 years or $875k of actual dollars and cap hit. If the Sens can also move Zaitsev the combined cap saving on the two is close to $8m.

Great content lately. Kudos for the posts folks. Sorry I have been MIA.

The White decision isn’t surprising overall as it’s the “cheapest” buy out option. I was never a huge fan of White or the contract that was given (contract not his fault, really). Injuries and coaching choices may have played a part but he always left me underwhelmed. Maybe he can turn his career on another team as a decent 3rd/4th liner. I’m ok to move on if it means getting a decent NHL player in the coming days via trade or free agency.

F*ck Pierre Dorion giving that 21st pick away. We traded Lehner for this pick back in 2015 and he turned it into sh*t.

2014 - 10th overall - (TRADED in RYAN DEAL)
2015 - 21st - White - BUYOUT
2016 - 11th - Logan Brown - BUST
2017 - 28th - Shane Bowers - TRADED FOR DUCHENE

WTF !!!

F*ck Pierre Dorion giving that 21st pick away. We traded Lehner for this pick back in 2015 and he turned it into sh*t.

2014 - 10th overall - (TRADED in RYAN DEAL)
2015 - 21st - White - BUYOUT
2016 - 11th - Logan Brown - BUST
2017 - 28th - Shane Bowers - TRADED FOR DUCHENE

WTF !!!
- AlfieisKing

Dorion took over April 2016....as GM but was chief scout for the 2014 and 2015 picks, then GM when he moved up to get Brown!

Great content lately. Kudos for the posts folks. Sorry I have been MIA.

The White decision isn’t surprising overall as it’s the “cheapest” buy out option. I was never a huge fan of White or the contract that was given (contract not his fault, really). Injuries and coaching choices may have played a part but he always left me underwhelmed. Maybe he can turn his career on another team as a decent 3rd/4th liner. I’m ok to move on if it means getting a decent NHL player in the coming days via trade or free agency.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Yup, the discussion has been incredible!! Good to see you around my friend.

On average, in any year, a team drafts 1.6 players that will actually play regular shifts in the NHL. If you look at the Senators since 2017 and beginning the tear down and rebuild their drafting and dealing for prospect has been exceptionally good, including

Braanstrom, Norris, Formenton, Batherson, Tkachuk, JBD, Thomson, Pinto, Sogaard, Kastelic, Stutzle, Sanderson, Grieg, Jarventie, Kleven and Sokolov.

Can't hit a homerun on all 1st round pick look at NYR they have a bust for a 2nd OA and a 1st OA that is a 3rd liner

Can't hit a homerun on all 1st round pick look at NYR they have a bust for a 2nd OA and a 1st OA that is a 3rd liner
- Mithos

I see this team as needing a top 6 forward and a top 4 Dman and, perhaps a character player added into the bottom 6.

If they can do that they can probably make the playoffs and play any team really tough in the first round. My bench mark for now is progress against the Leafs. I think the Leafs have topped out and will begin to stall due to their lack of depth and goaltending woes.

Most of the Sens top players are just beginning to move into their peak performance years. The transformation should be quick and dramatic.

Sometimes I wonder if I see things merely through rose coloured glasses and none of these kids are as good as what I believe they will be. But, then, at time like this I pause and look at the roster this team is being led by kids. How come nobody recognizes that Colin White needs to go because of Josh Norris, Tim Stutzle and Shane Pinto. What is the coach supposed to do? Should he weigh the kids down with sand bags so that White can keep up. As some point in time you need to just recognize that a guy maxed out on his talent and it is time for everyone to move on. No bad people here. It is just the way that it is.

Colin White is an obvious outcome. The buy out costs is 1/3 the actual dollar value of the contract spread over 6 years or $875k of actual dollars and cap hit. If the Sens can also move Zaitsev the combined cap saving on the two is close to $8m.
- spatso

This is a typical Sens move. Yes, it financially makes sense, but the contracts of Murray and Zaitsev hurt way more and should of been dealt with first. I have no confidence that Dorion will make a competent move to get rid of either of these players and we will see a team with three goalies on the roster and Zaitsev playing top four minutes.

On average, in any year, a team drafts 1.6 players that will actually play regular shifts in the NHL. If you look at the Senators since 2017 and beginning the tear down and rebuild their drafting and dealing for prospect has been exceptionally good, including

Braanstrom, Norris, Formenton, Batherson, Tkachuk, JBD, Thomson, Pinto, Sogaard, Kastelic, Stutzle, Sanderson, Grieg, Jarventie, Kleven and Sokolov.
- spatso

I would be surprised if all those guys become exceptionally good.

I see this team as needing a top 6 forward and a top 4 Dman and, perhaps a character player added into the bottom 6.

- spatso

I see this team as needing a new owner, new GM and a new coach.
In the meantime, my hope is that they re-sign core young pieces + Zub, while minimizing stupid moves and burdensome contracts. It's also time to prioritize the integration of ready/near ready prospects like Thomson, JBD and Kastelic.
As for Colin White, a buyout is probably the best move for an organization that has no money.

Colin White is an obvious outcome. The buy out costs is 1/3 the actual dollar value of the contract spread over 6 years or $875k of actual dollars and cap hit. If the Sens can also move Zaitsev the combined cap saving on the two is close to $8m.
- spatso

With the White buyout, Zaitsev is the next priority to move on from! Then after the draft figure out the Murray crap....before UFA period.

This is a typical Sens move. Yes, it financially makes sense, but the contracts of Murray and Zaitsev hurt way more and should of been dealt with first. I have no confidence that Dorion will make a competent move to get rid of either of these players and we will see a team with three goalies on the roster and Zaitsev playing top four minutes.
- CooCooKaChoo

Couldnt agree more! Zaitsev has to be part of any trade involving AZ or Chicago!

I would be surprised if all those guys become exceptionally good.
- spazzbot

So true, just like at Sokolov, he has gone from top 6 forward prospect to lets hope he can be a regular NHLer after his last season. He will be in Belleville again this year, if he doesn't manage to crack the lineup at some point next season, one has to wonder if he has a future here.

I see this team as needing a new owner, new GM and a new coach.
In the meantime, my hope is that they re-sign core young pieces + Zub, while minimizing stupid moves and burdensome contracts. It's also time to prioritize the integration of ready/near ready prospects like Thomson, JBD and Kastelic.
As for Colin White, a buyout is probably the best move for an organization that has no money.
- SensFan25

They still don't have any money....after the draft and UFA period, I have some incredible info on it.....but your post is 100% bang on!

So true, just like at Sokolov, he has gone from top 6 forward prospect to lets hope he can be a regular NHLer after his last season. He will be in Belleville again this year, if he doesn't manage to crack the lineup at some point next season, one has to wonder if he has a future here.
- Kevin Francis

Yep, the few games I remember seeing him play in Ottawa he looked really overwhelmed. Sure he can turn it around..but right now it's not looking good.
I would guess 2 or 3 of those unproven players could be on the move if Dorion is true to his word on upgrades.

I feel bad for White who is certainly a solid if unspectacular NHL player and by all accounts a good guy and good locker room presence. Reminds me of Curtis Lazar. He never earned that contract before it was signed, feels like our front office set him up to fail.
- Bartacus

The thing that Lazar and White really have in common is that they're both examples of the team going out of their way to waste 1st round picks on middle-6 talent, which is a complete waste of time. Consider the quality of player that trading a 1st round piece typically yields, vs. using that same resource to draft a player who will take 4-5 years to "maybe" become a 3rd-pairing forward. Draft with a different mindset and Lazar becomes Burakovsky/Mantha, while White becomes Konecny/Boeser. That's not Monday QB stuff either, because all 4 of those players were explicitly discussed options in various mock-drafts and pundit assessments when those selections were made by the Senators.

They still don't have any money....after the draft and UFA period, I have some incredible info on it.....but your post is 100% bang on!
- Kevin Francis

They have not had any money for the last 5 years. Many reports suggesting that the NHL is the largest single creditor of the Sens. Whoever owns the debt will likely determine which group of new owners is able to take control.

If comes to a formal restructuring of the debt the note holders have all the power. The Sens trustee board to which Dorion reports includes an accountant responsible for the audit of the Sens books and, more important, one of the top restructuring lawyers in Canada.

If push comes to shove I assume the NHL has the power to appoint a receiver and take control of the cash flow (in and out). When MacTavish left, I wondered if it had something to do with the status of the debt financing. MacTavish represented the NHL interest in their dealings with the Sens on the last round of financing.

This is the main reason why I believe the ownership decisions will likely take until Christmas. Or, in the event of the board of trustees seeking legal procedure for default relief it could take a lot longer.

If an actual default occurs the franchise itself could be vulnerable. At that point in time the creditors alone hold all the power.

So true, just like at Sokolov, he has gone from top 6 forward prospect to lets hope he can be a regular NHLer after his last season. He will be in Belleville again this year, if he doesn't manage to crack the lineup at some point next season, one has to wonder if he has a future here.
- Kevin Francis

Foot speed.