If you called me anything in person, you’re not walking away the same way you walked up to me, that’s if you’d be able to walk at all. Plus it’s a holiday weekend, it’s a little strange you know how the hockey market works but no idea how the work world works.
- SuperSchennBros

Please stop. Some of us have been here long enough to remember you threatening to report us all to the cops for hate crimes if we ever did a meet up and anyone started giving you poop irl.

Gotcha on Lambert vid. Seems like this draft is more of a crapshoot than they usually are. Sometimes I think it's akin to throwing darts at a listing of players (save for the top superstars that are obvious) and getting lucky to see who turns out in a few years. I also think that a player's draft position gets them more opportunities to prove themselves in the NHL than those who were late drafts may get. Consider if Patrick had been drafted 43rd OA he probably never would have seen the ice at the NHL level the way he played. But, they were extremely patient with him more so than any other players would have gotten with the team.
- Letterkenney

Yeah, this draft in particular is gonna be all over the place.

And yeah, being a 1st-round pick gives tends to give you nine NHL lives.

Btw, you watching Shoresy?

Please stop. Some of us have been here long enough to remember you threatening to report us all to the cops for hate crimes if we ever did a meet up and anyone started giving you poop irl.
- hereticpride

This never happened and if it did, select the group of “ us” who remember this. I’ll wait.

It’s also interesting you’re choosing to defend Rinaldo/login/Daryl Stanley

I don't see Gauthier as a "safe" pick at all. The only reason a team will draft him top 5 is because there is a belief he will transition to center at BC. Otherwise, I believe he would have been a fringe top 10 pick firmly below prospects at fwd like Nazar and Savoie. My hope is SEA rolls the dice at 4 for Gauthier so the question is moot for Fletcher.
- Trox88

Gauthier's one of those high-floor kinda players. Like a Charlie Coyle. I wouldn't be mad if they picked him, because he still has strong upside, but it's just not likely that he becomes a big difference maker.

Nazar I can't say enough good things about. One of those players we'll look back and wonder how so many teams passed on him to take obviously lower ceiling players like Gauthier.

Nobody said anything about taking him for free. I never said this and that’s not how I took the message below. Everything comes at a cost
- SuperSchennBros

It's gonna cost the Flyers to get rid of him in the summer.

Or they'll get something for him at the TDL.

Guess which option Chuck Fletcher will go with?

It's gonna cost the Flyers to get rid of him in the summer.

Or they'll get something for him at the TDL.

Guess which option Chuck Fletcher will go with?
- Tomahawk

You definitely have me there, I don’t trust Fletcher to do anything right. I just believe people around here are a little jaded as to how Ghost was moved, so they believe the only way JvR can be moved is the same way, which may or may not be true. Who knows but Fletcher has his stamp all over the ghost trade.

Would his value go up or down? Please explain, I’d love to hear this.
- SuperSchennBros

Since I am in a good mood I will explain. I do one good thing a day. Helping someone with a learning disability will count as 2 so I am good for tomorrow.

JVR has a 7 million cap hit today. Come the deadline that drops significantly. Therefore more teams in theory will be interested as the cap hit is lower (more teams added to the field) and the Flyers can absorb half to even make it lower.

Trading him today is much harder today, as I am sure you are aware being the astute hockey fan that you are, because cap space is very limited. Teams will be very Leary to take 7 million back or even 3.5 with retention.

The conclusion is they Flyers have a better chance to actually get more positive value in a JVR trade at the deadline then today. So take a few minutes and read this several times before you respond.

Any other questions you have I will refer you to Cliff.

Not sure why you keep harping on the Flyers being cap compliant. Fletcher would need to make a move if he wants to add anyone of substanance. Since you show a daily lack of understanding of the Flyers cap position. I'll define it for you.

The Flyers currently have about 5.1M of available cap space. That number only includes 10 forwards. So the Flyers have to re-sign Frost, Tippet and possibly another player depending on what they want to do. Defense wise, they have 6 defenseman signed plus Ellis on LTIR. Two of those defenseman are Seeler and Attard. So if Ellis is not ready to go, are the Flyers going to be comfortable with one of those guys in the top 6 as a regular? Or are the Flyers going to want to add a vet? Goaltending wise, they have Hart and Fedetov. Are they comfortable with Fedetov, if he can get here as the backup? Or do they want to sign a vet costing more?

Now I'll explain to you the particulars of being cap compliant. Cap compliant and under the upper limit are not the same thing. A team can submit a roster of the minimum coming out of camp which includes 20 players with no extra players.

Injuries are also a factor as that takes up cap space during the season.
- MJL

I am simply stating what Fletcher stated in his recent press conference. I think Fletcher knows way more about the current state of the Flyers cap space than you or I. I will take his word for it.

Since I am in a good mood I will explain. I do one good thing a day. Helping someone with a learning disability will count as 2 so I am good for tomorrow.

JVR has a 7 million cap hit today. Come the deadline that drops significantly. Therefore more teams in theory will be interested as the cap hit is lower (more teams added to the field) and the Flyers can absorb half to even make it lower.

Trading him today is much harder today, as I am sure you are aware being the astute hockey fan that you are, because cap space is very limited. Teams will be very Leary to take 7 million back or even 3.5 with retention.

The conclusion is they Flyers have a better chance to actually get more positive value in a JVR trade at the deadline then today. So take a few minutes and read this several times before you respond.

Any other questions you have I will refer you to Cliff.
- hello it's me 2050

Well no poop to half of this post, except the off-season is where NHL teams will actively look to clear cap space. Some teams at the draft, Especially with this free agent market being the strongest it’s been since I can’t remember when. Gaudreau, Kadri, Giroux, Malkin, Letang and more all being notable UFA’s. My stance has always been not to buyout JvR. If you can eat half his deal in a move, do it. If he has to stay and played out his deal, I'm fine with that too, just don't buy him out.

What baffles me is, spending all season listening to how much JvR sucks and now suddenly the focus turns to getting the most value possible at next season's deadline, when most of you have convinced yourselves he has no value. I asked the question earlier and now I'll ask again. What is JvR's value? I believe most are jaded by the Ghost trade and believe the only way to move him is by JvR suffering the same fate.

I've never had a delusional thought that he'd be moved for free and we'd be free of him or not have to deal with any Obstacles that include moving him this summer. Where I myself disagree is that he has zero value to another team depending on what their needs are. It always depends on cost both for and again our team in this kind of circumstance. Right or wrong, I always offer reasons. You don’t.

JVR has a 7 million cap hit today. Come the deadline that drops significantly. Therefore more teams in theory will be interested as the cap hit is lower (more teams added to the field) and the Flyers can absorb half to even make it lower.
- hello it's me 2050

Just to illustrate your point, JVR's prorated cap hit by the TDL should sit somewhere around $1.5M (Daily cap hit × days remaining in season at TDL). If the Flyers eat half of that, any team with just $750k in available cap space could take him on. That's a much wider market than teams that could swallow his entire cap hit today.

If you called me anything in person, you’re not walking away the same way you walked up to me, that’s if you’d be able to walk at all. Plus it’s a holiday weekend, it’s a little strange you know how the hockey market works but no idea how the work world works.
- SuperSchennBros

Him not walking the same way, hope there is lubricant involved.

Him not walking the same way, hope there is lubricant involved.
- furio16

Yeah I walked into that.

Edvinsson looks like a future top 4 and likely 1st pair dman. I’ve read that he bulked up this year. But do you really think he’ll be up this year?

Since you don’t have a blogger yet, do you have any info on Cossa’s progress?
- Minnyhock

It's hard to say if he will make the team or not. We will see once he shows up for the prospect camp and rookie tourney and then the main training camp for the Wings. He said he plans on making the team just like Raymond and Seider did but he will have to show he is ready. He is up to 210 pounds now and Yzerman did say he will have a chance to win a spot. He has the size, skill, skating and is good defensively so unless Yzerman brings in some good defensemen for the left side (UFAs or trade), they only have Oesterle and potentially Wallman for the left side which is weak as hell. If Yzerman doesn't sign or trade for someone i'm pretty sure he will make the team with such weak competition. He would have to be a train wreck not to beat out that kind of competition.


As for Cossa well he will turn pro and likely be in Grand Rapids in the AHL for next season. He played very well in juniors this year and his team won the WHL league. His team didn't do well in the Memorial Cup tourney but none of that was his fault. He stood on his head in the games i watched. Everyone kept saying how his numbers were great because of the team but from what i saw at the Memorial Cup, his team looked like complete garbage and would get blown out every game if not for him. I think Yzerman will sign a goalie on the UFA market to backup Ned at the NHL level and let the other 3 battle it out for playing time in Grand Rapids for this season. No need to rush him to the NHL.

Just to illustrate your point, JVR's prorated cap hit by the TDL should sit somewhere around $1.5M (Daily cap hit × days remaining in season at TDL). If the Flyers eat half of that, any team with just $750k in available cap space could take him on. That's a much wider market than teams that could swallow his entire cap hit today.
- Tomahawk

Ok, now we’re getting actual dialog going. For those who hated Hextall, he some how managed to move LeCavalier and Pronger’s salary but taking advantage of Arizona who year after year was trying to reach the cap floor. Is their a team trying to reach the cap floor? I don’t even know what the Seattle Kracken are suppose to be. There is no faith in making a deal with them? I mean, they’re a new NHL team getting a chance to Evaluate themselves for the first time

Ok, now we’re getting actual dialog going. For those who hated Hextall, he some how managed to move LeCavalier and Pronger’s salary but taking advantage of Arizona who year after year was trying to reach the cap floor. Is their a team trying to reach the cap floor? I don’t even know what the Seattle Kracken are suppose to be. There is no faith in making a deal with them? I mean, they’re a new NHL team getting a chance to Evaluate themselves for the first time
- SuperSchennBros

Seattle is like 1.4 mil from the cap floor with 6 RFAs to sign. Arizona wants LTIR players who the insurance will pay them mostly or guys making 1 or 2 mil in actual money while getting a high cap hit...they also get picks usually for doing it too. They are going to be losing a lot of money the next few years in that little arena.

Only team the Flyers might have a shot at moving JVR right now might be the Ducks and i doubt they would do it for free. All the teams can easily reach the cap floor by signing their RFAs/UFAs or some new UFAs on the market. Unless they get a player they really want for their team or they get a prospect or pick for it, they have no reason to do any cap strapped teams any favors.

Seattle is like 1.4 mil from the cap floor with 6 RFAs to sign. Arizona wants LTIR players who the insurance will pay them mostly or guys making 1 or 2 mil in actual money while getting a high cap hit...they also get picks usually for doing it too. They are going to be losing a lot of money the next few years in that little arena.

Only team the Flyers might have a shot at moving JVR right now might be the Ducks and i doubt they would do it for free. All the teams can easily reach the cap floor by signing their RFAs/UFAs or some new UFAs on the market. Unless they get a player they really want for their team or they get a prospect or pick for it, they have no reason to do any cap strapped teams any favors.
- dcz28

Isn’t it better talking about this stuff rather than “No, it just happen” or “this guy sucks and he’s not worth anything”. Different teams have different needs. I have no doubt a lot of our roster would be successful on other teams. For all praise Ghost has received this season, we tried to give him away twice prior to trading him and nobody would take him for free. I wouldn’t have moved a puck to move Ghost either but one thing about Ghost is, if he doesn’t generate offense from the back end, he’s pretty much useless.

I am simply stating what Fletcher stated in his recent press conference. I think Fletcher knows way more about the current state of the Flyers cap space than you or I. I will take his word for it.
- jd250

The Flyers cap situation is not difficult to figure out. Although you seem have a problem with it in general.

Ok, now we’re getting actual dialog going. For those who hated Hextall, he some how managed to move LeCavalier and Pronger’s salary but taking advantage of Arizona who year after year was trying to reach the cap floor. Is their a team trying to reach the cap floor? I don’t even know what the Seattle Kracken are suppose to be. There is no faith in making a deal with them? I mean, they’re a new NHL team getting a chance to Evaluate themselves for the first time
- SuperSchennBros

Pronger had that now-illegal back-diving deal where he was only owed like $575k the last couple of seasons. LA only agreed to take Vinny because he promised he would retire after one season. Flyers retained half of Vinny's salary, too.

JVR's real money salary is $5M next season. Arizona is gonna be really reluctant to take that kind of scratch on. They're already paying Bryan Little a lot of money not to play.

Seattle is keeping their powder dry until they're in a position to make the most of their cap space.

I'm thinking NJ is going to take him. With Slavkovsky now expected to go 1 OA and NJ taking Jiricek (based on BPA and need), that pushes Wright to 3rd, maybe 4th. I think this draft is likely to get a bit crazy in the first round. There's a lot of uncertainty in this draft and it's anyone's guess at this point.
- Letterkenney

I hope we get Cooley. No way we do but I hope that we do

Isn’t it better talking about this stuff rather than “No, it just happen” or “this guy sucks and he’s not worth anything”. Different teams have different needs. I have no doubt a lot of our roster would be successful on other teams. For all praise Ghost has received this season, we tried to give him away twice prior to trading him and nobody would take him for free. I wouldn’t have moved a puck to move Ghost either but one thing about Ghost is, if he doesn’t generate offense from the back end, he’s pretty much useless.
- SuperSchennBros

You never know really how players will do with a new team. Sometimes good players just don't fit into a new team and can't get anything going. One of the reasons (aside from players having a career year in the last year of a contract) the UFA market can have so many bust signings. Gms think well this is a good player and should do better with better players or more ice time but it ends up being the opposite, he looks worst. Sometimes it is the opposite, a player looks bad with one team but goes somewhere else and looks like a totally different player. Those are the risks of making trades or signing free agents...you just never know.

There is only 4 players that interest me in this years UFA market. Trocheck, Kadri and Malkin (need a 2nd line center badly) and Zadorov on defense. I'm starting to think that Yzerman won't go after any of those guys and instead sign more short term plugs that won't fill any of their biggest needs. Wings will slightly improve again with the prospects and young players (plus new coach) but still be a lottery team with very low odds of winning the lottery.

There is only 4 players that interest me in this years UFA market. Trocheck, Kadri and Malkin (need a 2nd line center badly) and Zadorov on defense. I'm starting to think that Yzerman won't go after any of those guys and instead sign more short term plugs that won't fill any of their biggest needs. Wings will slightly improve again with the prospects and young players (plus new coach) but still be a lottery team with very low odds of winning the lottery.
- dcz28

If Yzerman is smart. Which he certainly is. That's exactly what he will do. He's already hit a home run with his coaching pick in my opinion.

Farabee has surgery 3 months after season ends and will miss opening of next season, they are already laying the groundwork that Ellis won’t we ready either, and our possible backup goalie will most likely be in prison the next two years…the dysfunctional franchise is in full offseason mode. Next up a lot of bad picks in the draft that we couldn’t develop even if they were good and maybe some contract dumps where we trade a player and a 2nd rounder for nothing and immediately fill the cap space with a overpriced UFA with ridiculous term that we will gone within 2 years into their 7 year contract.

Farabee has surgery 3 months after season ends and will miss opening of next season, they are already laying the groundwork that Ellis won’t we ready either, and our possible backup goalie will most likely be in prison the next two years…the dysfunctional franchise is in full offseason mode. Next up a lot of bad picks in the draft that we couldn’t develop even if they were good and maybe some contract dumps where we trade a player and a 2nd rounder for nothing and immediately fill the cap space with a overpriced UFA with ridiculous term that we will gone within 2 years into their 7 year contract.
- darkerens

Yea, sadly there is not much to be optimistic about. I'm hoping things go our way with the draft and we get lucky that Chuck makes a few good moves but that is wishful thinking. At least we have Gritty and Santa Sacks! Plus, we have the added bonus of complaining about Risto the next 5 years!

If Yzerman is smart. Which he certainly is. That's exactly what he will do. He's already hit a home run with his coaching pick in my opinion.
- MJL

Only problem if he doesn't sign a center is even if they draft one with the 8th overall, that player is likely a few years from being able to center the 2nd line assuming he even reaches his potential and can be a center at the NHL level. Without that 2nd line center they won't be a cup contender and likely not even a playoff team. Best UFA option would likely be Malkin since he would be willing to sign short term and give time to whoever the center they draft time to develop for a few years.

We'll see what happens when the UFA market opens i guess.

You never know really how players will do with a new team. Sometimes good players just don't fit into a new team and can't get anything going. One of the reasons (aside from players having a career year in the last year of a contract) the UFA market can have so many bust signings. Gms think well this is a good player and should do better with better players or more ice time but it ends up being the opposite, he looks worst. Sometimes it is the opposite, a player looks bad with one team but goes somewhere else and looks like a totally different player. Those are the risks of making trades or signing free agents...you just never know.

There is only 4 players that interest me in this years UFA market. Trocheck, Kadri and Malkin (need a 2nd line center badly) and Zadorov on defense. I'm starting to think that Yzerman won't go after any of those guys and instead sign more short term plugs that won't fill any of their biggest needs. Wings will slightly improve again with the prospects and young players (plus new coach) but still be a lottery team with very low odds of winning the lottery.
- dcz28

he hasn't been talked about much at all that I can see.