I think I read somewhere that Wright is confident that MTL is taking him.
- Tomahawk

I think it's a roll of the dice at this point. It'll be fun to watch, though. Regrettably, I don't have a lot of faith in CF. If Nemec is available, do they take him, or do they go with Cutter Gauthier?

BTW... I saw the Frank Nazar vid you put up yesterday. You're right, the kid does skate like McDavid. Phenomenal wheels on that kid.

I don’t see the difference. JvR at at half the cost with one year left in the summer or a deadline move. Another team can still move him themselves at the deadline if things don’t work out. This isn’t me arguing as much as me trying to understand the difference.
- SuperSchennBros

Shemp

On JVR: since he only has one year left, the Flyers do not have to move him. Certainly if they have a particular plan for certain free agents(s) or a hockey trade in place that cap space must be freed up, then JVR trade makes sense. Other than those things, it makes no sense to buy him out or give up anything just to move his salary. (See the utter disaster of giving up the 4th pick in the 2nd round just to unload Ghost). If there is a legitimate trade of JVR where the most the Flyers have to do is eat some cap space, let him fly. If not, wait for the TDL.

I don’t see the difference. JvR at at half the cost with one year left in the summer or a deadline move. Another team can still move him themselves at the deadline if things don’t work out. This isn’t me arguing as much as me trying to understand the difference.
- SuperSchennBros

Yeah, the Flyers should wait and get value at the deadline but no other GM trading for him will consider that now

When JVR was signed, he was coming off of a 36 goal season. So while he can still be a decent player, he doesn't bring the value he had when he was originally signed.
- MJL

I agree On pure goals scored, but his value is a goal scorer and he still is , you can also make a case that if he had even a little consistency line wise, really center wise his numbers would be better. I’ll add 36 was his high point, I am sure that helped his value but his career average is probably closer to 28, just a guess, more inline with last season on a shxt show

Having the option of not making a trade is not leverage. Keep in mind that it is Fletcher who will be the party who has more riding on moving the player if he wants to do something else. Rather than the team he is negotiating with.
- MJL

Of course it is leverage, if CF had to move he loses leverage, if he doesn’t he has leverage. I never said they had great leverage but not having to trade him, being a consistent goal scorer, his contract all can be leverage, unless CF is a bigger idiot than even you think

I agree On pure goals scored, but his value is a goal scorer and he still is , you can also make a case that if he had even a little consistency line wise, really center wise his numbers would be better. I’ll add 36 was his high point, I am sure that helped his value but his career average is probably closer to 28, just a guess, more inline with last season on a shxt show
- wcorvette

A goals scorers value is determined by how many goals he scores. His value is realistically as a potential 20 goal scorer who needs PP time to get there.

Of course it is leverage, if CF had to move he loses leverage, if he doesn’t he has leverage. I never said they had great leverage but not having to trade him, being a consistent goal scorer, his contract all can be leverage, unless CF is a bigger idiot than even you think
- wcorvette

No it's not. There is no situation where going into a prospective deal with another team that Fletcher is going to have any leverage this off season. If Fletcher is looking to move him in the off season, it's because he wants to do something else. I don't see a playoff team coming to him asking for JVR unless it's at the trade deadline. Then he might have some leverage.

A goals scorers value is determined by how many goals he scores. His value is realistically as a potential 20 goal scorer who needs PP time to get there.
- MJL

That is his value, and he still has it.

That is his value, and he still has it.
- wcorvette

Yes, he does but that value is not the same value he had when the Flyers signed him.

No it's not. There is no situation where going into a prospective deal with another team that Fletcher is going to have any leverage. If Fletcher is looking to move him in the off season, it's because he wants to do something else. I don't see a playoff team coming to him asking for JVR
- MJL

And you are welcome to your opinion, I don’t agree. CF ability to walk away is leverage, let alone goal scoring.

Seattle 2nd year will not compete but will want to put up goals for the fans.

Yotes have ghost and are rebuilding, they’ll want goals and short term vets.

Could be better options than JVR but he surely is an option that has value.

I think it's a roll of the dice at this point. It'll be fun to watch, though. Regrettably, I don't have a lot of faith in CF. If Nemec is available, do they take him, or do they go with Cutter Gauthier?

BTW... I saw the Frank Nazar vid you put up yesterday. You're right, the kid does skate like McDavid. Phenomenal wheels on that kid.
- Letterkenney

https://hockeytron.com/co...-hockey-jersey-69-shoresy

Your line of Jersey’s?

Phil Kessel to the Flyers. They allow him to break Yandles streak....
- hello it's me 2050

I think it's a roll of the dice at this point. It'll be fun to watch, though. Regrettably, I don't have a lot of faith in CF. If Nemec is available, do they take him, or do they go with Cutter Gauthier?

BTW... I saw the Frank Nazar vid you put up yesterday. You're right, the kid does skate like McDavid. Phenomenal wheels on that kid.
- Letterkenney

I really have no idea what to expect from this draft. Cutter is such a CF/Flyers pick tho. Be annoying if they passed on more talented players to take what amounts to a "safe" winger.

Oh and the vid was Brad Lambert. Guy just flies. Nazar is a good skater too tho.

Trust me, a bad team with cap room will take him for nothing now to sell high at the deadline.

We might as well hang onto him until the deadline tho. We aren’t going to do anything smart with the cap space.
- hereticpride

Dont all bad teams have cap space? Oh wait, the Flyers.....

- MBFlyerfan

Kinda sad, but Phil would automatically become the Flyers most dynamic player.

Kinda sad, but Phil would automatically become the Flyers most dynamic player.


- Tomahawk

Haven’t watched him lately but this is history, something posted we all can agree with

When JVR was signed, he was coming off of a 36 goal season. So while he can still be a decent player, he doesn't bring the value he had when he was originally signed.
- MJL

This is where I disagree. Nobody signs for what they’re going to do, most are signed for what they’ve done. JvR was dead in the water when Giroux was moved to top line left wing the season prior. In my opinion, on this team, if you don’t play with G or Coots, you’re not gonna succeed the way a 7 million dollar player should.

Shemp
- hello it's me 2050

Are you this brave in person or just the internet? Just curious.

I really have no idea what to expect from this draft. Cutter is such a CF/Flyers pick tho. Be annoying if they passed on more talented players to take what amounts to a "safe" winger.

Oh and the vid was Brad Lambert. Guy just flies. Nazar is a good skater too tho.
- Tomahawk

I don't see Gauthier as a "safe" pick at all. The only reason a team will draft him top 5 is because there is a belief he will transition to center at BC. Otherwise, I believe he would have been a fringe top 10 pick firmly below prospects at fwd like Nazar and Savoie. My hope is SEA rolls the dice at 4 for Gauthier so the question is moot for Fletcher.

Yeah, the Flyers should wait and get value at the deadline but no other GM trading for him will consider that now
- wcorvette

What’s JvR’s value though regardless of whether or draft day or next season’s deadline?

Are you this brave in person or just the internet? Just curious.
- SuperSchennBros

How brave does one have to be to call someone Shemp? No clock back into work. The line is getting bigger at the deli counter.

What’s JvR’s value though regardless of whether or draft day or next season’s deadline?
- SuperSchennBros

Amazing you cant see the diff why his value would be diff now vs 7 months from now. Actually it isn't amazing

It's already been agreed that JVR can be moved. It's a matter of what the Flyers are willing to stomach to make it happen, and whether they even should (he has value at the TDL).

People are dreaming that somebody would take him for free.

(and Milan Lucic is still an NHL regular while James Neal has been a useless albatross)
- Tomahawk

Nobody said anything about taking him for free. I never said this and that’s not how I took the message below. Everything comes at a cost

Lol, the other GMs don't want JVR until the TDL, if they even want JVR at all.
- Tomahawk

Latest rumors on Sirius/XM radio yesterday had Giroux replacing Kadri in Colorado once Kadri signs on with the Flyers. That's right, they think the Flyers are going after Kadri cause he is a Torts kind of guy! I like it, they might not win, but Torts will want a team full of pissssss and vinegar! Thanks!