He more than likely would have to add to move him before the season if he wants to free up cap space to do something. At the deadline then no he probably won't but JVR still has to have decent season and not be injured or you likely get nothing for him then either.

My point was mainly that teams aren't looking to do capped teams favors for nothing just to reach the cap floor. There are only 4 teams (Arizona, Buffalo, Detroit and Anaheim) that are more than 6 million from the cap floor. All the teams have players to re-sign to help get much closer or above the cap floor. Those teams will also be looking to UFAs to improve and you can easily spend 10 mil in cap space on a couple of mid tier guys to round out the roster or add some depth. With teams like Vegas and Tampa above the cap, teams like Toronto, Edmonton, Boston ect... that need to clear cap space so they can add the depth they need or improve their rosters to compete for a cup, there are a lot more teams wanting to clear cap space than teams with cap space that are willing to take bad contracts. Teams with cap space will only give something (likely less than market value) for players they really want or they will ask for prospects and picks to compensate for taking a player they don't really need or want. Supply and Demand and right now the demand for cap space is much greater than the supply of teams willing to give teams cap space by taking contracts they want to get rid of.
- dcz28

Boston may be a destination because they are in a very interesting situation. Marchand and McAvoy are on the shelf for at least 6 months which means the Bruins would start the season with those two on LTIR, which opens up tons of cap space. Bergeron is still up in the air to returning and the Bruins really do not have any younger players that can fill this void. They also just hired a new coach so they would want to get off to a good start. The Bruins therefore may be in the market for a veteran like JVR for 1 year at say $4M.

- Tomahawk

It seems to me the Flyers will have plenty of options to get a good player at 5, and I trust Fletcher and Flahr to draft a good player. The question is however, can the Flyers develop that player? Let's hope the investments in player development finally pay off.

Given what has happened to Fedotov, I think a lot of Russian players might drop down on the board. One player that would be interesting to take a flyer on with say the Flyers 3rd round pick if he's still there is Ivan Miroshnichenko, who in any normal situation would be a top 10 pick.

Lucic was moved for James Neal... see what I said above about swapping onerous contracts for each other.


- Tomahawk

And we think the JVR contract is similar to that ? Or just responding to his reference?

He more than likely would have to add to move him before the season if he wants to free up cap space to do something. At the deadline then no he probably won't but JVR still has to have decent season and not be injured or you likely get nothing for him then either.

My point was mainly that teams aren't looking to do capped teams favors for nothing just to reach the cap floor. There are only 4 teams (Arizona, Buffalo, Detroit and Anaheim) that are more than 6 million from the cap floor. All the teams have players to re-sign to help get much closer or above the cap floor. Those teams will also be looking to UFAs to improve and you can easily spend 10 mil in cap space on a couple of mid tier guys to round out the roster or add some depth. With teams like Vegas and Tampa above the cap, teams like Toronto, Edmonton, Boston ect... that need to clear cap space so they can add the depth they need or improve their rosters to compete for a cup, there are a lot more teams wanting to clear cap space than teams with cap space that are willing to take bad contracts. Teams with cap space will only give something (likely less than market value) for players they really want or they will ask for prospects and picks to compensate for taking a player they don't really need or want. Supply and Demand and right now the demand for cap space is much greater than the supply of teams willing to give teams cap space by taking contracts they want to get rid of.
- dcz28

Don’t disagree, why I said cf needs to go in saying I’ll wait but JVRS is not a complete cap dump, he scores and his contract is favorable for a rebuilding team he only wants someone with one year, one who counts 7 mil in cap with 4 mil real money. I also believe JVR has a good reputation around the league with his workout ethic and his leadership in the NHLPA etc, all good for young teams. Goals, bring people to the stands, that is what JVR offers

Boston may be a destination because they are in a very interesting situation. Marchand and McAvoy are on the shelf for at least 6 months which means the Bruins would start the season with those two on LTIR, which opens up tons of cap space. Bergeron is still up in the air to returning and the Bruins really do not have any younger players that can fill this void. They also just hired a new coach so they would want to get off to a good start. The Bruins therefore may be in the market for a veteran like JVR for 1 year at say $4M.
- jd250

The LTIR cap space gained from McAvoy and Marchand would be temporary use it or lose it daily cap space. Once they're healthy and ready to play, they'll need the room to add them to the roster. I seriously doubt with the issues that Boston has at center, if Bergeron retires that they'll see JVR as part of that solution.

Don’t disagree, why I said cf needs to go in saying I’ll wait but JVRS is not a complete cap dump, he scores and his contract is favorable for a rebuilding team he only wants someone with one year, one who counts 7 mil in cap with 4 mil real money. I also believe JVR has a good reputation around the league with his workout ethic and his leadership in the NHLPA etc, all good for young teams. Goals, bring people to the stands, that is what JVR offers
- wcorvette

Fletcher does not have any leverage. If he is trying to move him, teams know why.

Don’t disagree, why I said cf needs to go in saying I’ll wait but JVRS is not a complete cap dump, he scores and his contract is favorable for a rebuilding team he only wants someone with one year, one who counts 7 mil in cap with 4 mil real money. I also believe JVR has a good reputation around the league with his workout ethic and his leadership in the NHLPA etc, all good for young teams. Goals, bring people to the stands, that is what JVR offers
- wcorvette

Fletcher stated in his last presser that right now if he and his staff did nothing all summer the Flyers have a team and are cap compliant. He also stated that if they wanted a big free agent they would then have to get creative as to how to free up the cap space, and I imagine JVR would have to be part of that. So my read is JVR is not getting traded this off season and will probably be dealt at the deadline where the Flyers could at least get something for him, like a 3rd round pick in a deep draft coming up in 2023.

Fletcher does not have any leverage. If he is trying to move him, teams know why.
- MJL

Does not a lot, true. Does not have any is false. CF, can just walk away knowing he can sell at TDL, will he? 70/30 no. JVR has value, his contract has value, it doesn’t mean another contract might not have more value, thereby JVR not being traded. The 1 year contract, with its flexibility, what other teams are looking to do, might fit. Just all our opinions, what the media says, what we believe is different from what the GM’s really believe

Looks like Fedotov got the ol' polonium cocktail

https://twitter.com/billm...tatus/1542975526855475200

Let’s reverse engineer, JVR has a solid season, puts up 25, plays more a structured game under Torts, what is he worth at the TDL. A team going into the playoffs, needing scoring and PP help? They find a guy, last year on contract, pp specialist, scores even on poop show teams, cap hit not an issue at all. Flyers trade hold cap, team who acquired could hold even more cap.

This is where CF needs to start the conversation, including calling his team a poop show

Fletcher stated in his last presser that right now if he and his staff did nothing all summer the Flyers have a team and are cap compliant. He also stated that if they wanted a big free agent they would then have to get creative as to how to free up the cap space, and I imagine JVR would have to be part of that. So my read is JVR is not getting traded this off season and will probably be dealt at the deadline where the Flyers could at least get something for him, like a 3rd round pick in a deep draft coming up in 2023.
- jd250

I think JVR gets a little of a raw deal. On a solid team where he slotted and used right the guy brings value. I mean he is in his last year of his big FA contract and he still brings the value he brought originally, you can debate if you like his game but his game has been one of the few predictable things about the Flyers, right down to him have a terrible +- when the flyers were terrible defending

I don't see Brunette as a PP guru, not in the least after how the Florida PP withered done the stretch of the season and died in the playoffs. It certainly wasn't a talent issue in Florida, so you kind of have to look at the coaching there.
- jd250

I did not imply or state he was a PP guru.

Where was the Florida PP ranked in the regular season? He was out coached. Didn’t make the needed adjustments. Maybe the pressure of the playoffs got to him with all the other responsibilities. Doesn’t mean he can’t help the Flyers PP.

It seems to me the Flyers will have plenty of options to get a good player at 5, and I trust Fletcher and Flahr to draft a good player. The question is however, can the Flyers develop that player? Let's hope the investments in player development finally pay off.

Given what has happened to Fedotov, I think a lot of Russian players might drop down on the board. One player that would be interesting to take a flyer on with say the Flyers 3rd round pick if he's still there is Ivan Miroshnichenko, who in any normal situation would be a top 10 pick.
- jd250

The GM doesn’t have the foresight to pounce on any of the Russian players who may drop. I wound be looking to acquire picks if need be to take a shot on those players who may drop.

- Tomahawk

I'm thinking NJ is going to take him. With Slavkovsky now expected to go 1 OA and NJ taking Jiricek (based on BPA and need), that pushes Wright to 3rd, maybe 4th. I think this draft is likely to get a bit crazy in the first round. There's a lot of uncertainty in this draft and it's anyone's guess at this point.

Let’s reverse engineer, JVR has a solid season, puts up 25, plays more a structured game under Torts, what is he worth at the TDL. A team going into the playoffs, needing scoring and PP help? They find a guy, last year on contract, pp specialist, scores even on poop show teams, cap hit not an issue at all. Flyers trade hold cap, team who acquired could hold even more cap.

This is where CF needs to start the conversation, including calling his team a poop show
- wcorvette

JVR could be a really nice pickup for a team at the TDL, for sure. Flyers could get a B-prospect or a top-90 pick if they hang on to him.

Trying to move him now is another matter, tho. Just not many destinations. Most teams are cap-strapped and it's a buyer's market for bottom-feeding salary dumps.

JVR could be a really nice pickup for a team at the TDL, for sure. Flyers could get a B-prospect or a top-90 pick if they hang on to him.

Trying to move him now is another matter, tho. Just not many destinations. Most teams are cap-strapped and it's a buyer's market for bottom-feeding salary dumps.
- Tomahawk

Not easy, need to be smart but not impossible. I could see the Yotes being interested, I could see Ghost push for him but it’s all about the better deal.

Lucic was moved for James Neal... see what I said above about swapping onerous contracts for each other.


- Tomahawk

A move is a move though. Nobody is expecting to move JvR for nothing and news flash, James Neal still had a lot more gas in the tank than Lucic at the time of the move.

I'm thinking NJ is going to take him. With Slavkovsky now expected to go 1 OA and NJ taking Jiricek (based on BPA and need), that pushes Wright to 3rd, maybe 4th. I think this draft is likely to get a bit crazy in the first round. There's a lot of uncertainty in this draft and it's anyone's guess at this point.
- Letterkenney

I think I read somewhere that Wright is confident that MTL is taking him.

Fletcher stated in his last presser that right now if he and his staff did nothing all summer the Flyers have a team and are cap compliant. He also stated that if they wanted a big free agent they would then have to get creative as to how to free up the cap space, and I imagine JVR would have to be part of that. So my read is JVR is not getting traded this off season and will probably be dealt at the deadline where the Flyers could at least get something for him, like a 3rd round pick in a deep draft coming up in 2023.
- jd250

Not sure why you keep harping on the Flyers being cap compliant. Fletcher would need to make a move if he wants to add anyone of substanance. Since you show a daily lack of understanding of the Flyers cap position. I'll define it for you.

The Flyers currently have about 5.1M of available cap space. That number only includes 10 forwards. So the Flyers have to re-sign Frost, Tippet and possibly another player depending on what they want to do. Defense wise, they have 6 defenseman signed plus Ellis on LTIR. Two of those defenseman are Seeler and Attard. So if Ellis is not ready to go, are the Flyers going to be comfortable with one of those guys in the top 6 as a regular? Or are the Flyers going to want to add a vet? Goaltending wise, they have Hart and Fedetov. Are they comfortable with Fedetov, if he can get here as the backup? Or do they want to sign a vet costing more?

Now I'll explain to you the particulars of being cap compliant. Cap compliant and under the upper limit are not the same thing. A team can submit a roster of the minimum coming out of camp which includes 20 players with no extra players.

Injuries are also a factor as that takes up cap space during the season.

JVR could be a really nice pickup for a team at the TDL, for sure. Flyers could get a B-prospect or a top-90 pick if they hang on to him.

Trying to move him now is another matter, tho. Just not many destinations. Most teams are cap-strapped and it's a buyer's market for bottom-feeding salary dumps.
- Tomahawk

I don’t see the difference. JvR at at half the cost with one year left in the summer or a deadline move. Another team can still move him themselves at the deadline if things don’t work out. This isn’t me arguing as much as me trying to understand the difference.

Does not a lot, true. Does not have any is false. CF, can just walk away knowing he can sell at TDL, will he? 70/30 no. JVR has value, his contract has value, it doesn’t mean another contract might not have more value, thereby JVR not being traded. The 1 year contract, with its flexibility, what other teams are looking to do, might fit. Just all our opinions, what the media says, what we believe is different from what the GM’s really believe
- wcorvette

Having the option of not making a trade is not leverage. Keep in mind that it is Fletcher who will be the party who has more riding on moving the player if he wants to do something else. Rather than the team he is negotiating with.

A move is a move though. Nobody is expecting to move JvR for nothing and news flash, James Neal still had a lot more gas in the tank than Lucic at the time of the move.
- SuperSchennBros

It's already been agreed that JVR can be moved. It's a matter of what the Flyers are willing to stomach to make it happen, and whether they even should (he has value at the TDL).

People are dreaming that somebody would take him for free.

(and Milan Lucic is still an NHL regular while James Neal has been a useless albatross)

I think JVR gets a little of a raw deal. On a solid team where he slotted and used right the guy brings value. I mean he is in his last year of his big FA contract and he still brings the value he brought originally, you can debate if you like his game but his game has been one of the few predictable things about the Flyers, right down to him have a terrible +- when the flyers were terrible defending
- wcorvette

When JVR was signed, he was coming off of a 36 goal season. So while he can still be a decent player, he doesn't bring the value he had when he was originally signed.

When JVR was signed, he was coming off of a 36 goal season. So while he can still be a decent player, he doesn't bring the value he had when he was originally signed.
- MJL

Great observation.

JVR could be a really nice pickup for a team at the TDL, for sure. Flyers could get a B-prospect or a top-90 pick if they hang on to him.

Trying to move him now is another matter, tho. Just not many destinations. Most teams are cap-strapped and it's a buyer's market for bottom-feeding salary dumps.
- Tomahawk

His past playoff performance isnt all that great either and that will play a factor.

Every team has a contract or 3 they want gone. So Arizona for example can pick and choose what on they want. They will charge a fee, a bidding war fee.