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Scott1977
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Jul 2 @ 3:51 PM ET
Don’t think either will be there at 7. Think they would end up with Kemell or Lekkerimaki. Focus on offensive skilled players (especially if Sanderson is included in the trade).
- Revco38

Kasper imo his stock is rising. Kemell or lekkerimaki from what I heard read are one trick pony. Nazar is another player I like .
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 2 @ 3:51 PM ET
Wiz, Who do you think the Hawks would draft at #7?
Jiricek? Gauthier?

- boilermaker100


If the get Sanderson I won't have to reach for Kevin Korchinski.

I like big Cutter, and Marco Kasper two centres and would select one and never look back.
(Both easily fit as left wings as pros too.)
Everyone would rate Cutter Gauthier a better natural scorer, and better pure skater because of his deceptive speed.
But
Kasper is a really physical player, a fierce competitor and a smart high character kid plays hard and rugged as a scorer and never takes a shift off. In Austria, because he was so dominant in his age class, by ten years old, he was placed in higher teenage groups and then with men. He has seen 80 plus games (not 70 games when I wrote that)in the pro leagues in the last two years too. He is unphased and plays a give back style as a scorer.
Here are the profiles I wrote on Lines.com
Cutter Gauthier
USA developmental team centre-left wing committed to Boston College. An American born in Sweden while his father played hockey there, he split last season between USNTDP junior team and the U.S. National U-18 team. He's tall and lanky, strong two-way game, and good fluidity for his size. He has explosive short area speed and his strong on his pins, and more than willing to make statements in the corners and on the wall. You can start by casting his as a scoring power winger, and although he doesn't have a higher skill set, he has enough even offensive and defensive chops to seeing some duty at centre. He has a one of the most deadly shots the draft class. He stays on the right side of the puck. His combined totals from both USA teams total project him to finish with 53 goals and 85 points in 71 games. Boston College expects him to contribute as a scorer from the get go, but he is the type of player who can slot in up and down the line-up. He protects pucks extremely well and has enough of a game already to project as player who some team will value because they see his usefulness as an safe choice that eventually makes their roster. He has shown he can drive play and score. He is difficult to knock off the puck. He's a strong defensive player who is on the penalty-kill. He will have his college time to refine his ability to handle tough passes, and refine his attack skills. He is good on most catch and shoot scenarios. Is he truly a Chris Kreider clone? Not many projected power forwards shoot the puck like he does. He was the USA team captain in the 2022 World Junior U-18.
Marco Kasper
Natural play-making centre who has dominated his age group in Austria. Lean bodied and room for weight, He has soft hands and playmaking ability and played wing on the top Austrian line in the 2002-21 World Junior Tournament Under-20 with Marco Rossi and Senna Peters. On the power play, he sets up on the right half wall ala Patrick Kane. While other Austrian and German prospects stayed in Germany, he made the transition to Rogle in the Swedish Hockey League where he played seventy plus games against men, and showed he could be a rugged contributor in tight and tough games. He displayed lots of skill, smarts, dependability and smarts with or without the puck. He drives hard and finishes checks, and really puts pressure on the defensemen. Has a ton of skill in his passing and in his quick shot release. While many of the first round possibles have fancy wow factor, he wasn't as fine play was less noticeable, but this hard skating centre has all the tools to be a top player. To me, I see a Filip Chitl type who in time is a big, edgy centre with good, soft hands, puck skills, and foot speed and is smart in his carries.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 2 @ 4:10 PM ET
Don’t think either Cutter Gauthier or David Jiricek will be there at slot 7. Think they would end up with Kemell or Lekkerimaki. Focus on offensive skilled players (especially if Sanderson is included in the trade).
- Revco38


I would stay away from the Simon Nemec and David Jiricek, but if an organization thinks one of them is a perfect fit fror what they want, it won't surprise me if either Austrian/Czechian or both could get pick.

My thinking right now so close to the draft that my board has both a bit high simply because it is very difficult for me to see after the first two picks that there is going to be a surprise early forward pick or two.
All these lists you and I have read were not generated by NHL teams even Bobby Marguarita's.

I see this class as more of a potpourri of draft lists and any team anywhere in this draft class after the top slots could go to the one they thin k smells best for THEM.

So I see Wright, Slafkovsky, Cooley, Savoie, Gauthier,, Kasper, Lekkerimäki, Kemell, even Frank Nazar and Geekie climbing up there.


Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jul 2 @ 4:20 PM ET
Someone get to KD and tell him nap time is over!
- mohel

I think, like me, he's trying to figure out what a "whisker pole" is.

Must be a Canadian thing.

edit: No fair using sailing vernacular. Some of us are die-hard landlubbers.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:35 PM ET
Agree with your line of thinking, Wiz, but would think Sanderson is a non starter for the Senators. He seems untouchable, IMO.

Pinto's stock has risen this past season as well but doesn't project to be a #1 center like Sanderson projects to be a #1 defenseman.

- Theo Fox


Probably, but he's no more untouchable than Cat in my mind.

Maybe this year and next years #1, Sanderson, and take Murray back, no retention?
Scott1977
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Jul 2 @ 4:42 PM ET
Probably, but he's no more untouchable than Cat in my mind.

Maybe this year and next years #1, Sanderson, and take Murray back, no retention?

- vabeachbear

That be a good start between the teams
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jul 2 @ 4:44 PM ET
Probably, but he's no more untouchable than Cat in my mind.

Maybe this year and next years #1, Sanderson, and take Murray back, no retention?

- vabeachbear

Doubt truly Ottawa trades this dman who with Chabot will become their top two dmen.

You should check the GM and ownership belief in building. I do not believe that they actually are going.to pay anyone - not a big time sign. You can say they have salary cap space and a new philosophy since the owner Melnyk died. But I will believe it after I se it actaualy happen. Did Tkachuk get paid anew?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jul 2 @ 4:44 PM ET
I like my deal the post before yours...Goalie Murray for one year plus 2022 first rounder, a protected 2023 first (reverts to 2024 if Senator's win lottery), their 2nd rounder 2023 and Jake Sanderson, no brainstorm with Brannstrom
- wiz1901


If Ottawa was desperate enough to throw Sanderson in there, if that's the same Sanderson who was on the gold team that beat Canada, abso(frank)inglutely
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
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Jul 2 @ 4:50 PM ET
Probably, but he's no more untouchable than Cat in my mind.

Maybe this year and next years #1, Sanderson, and take Murray back, no retention?

- vabeachbear


I'd be okay with that, but i can't see Ottawa trading Sanderson.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 2 @ 5:10 PM ET
Four hours ago:
The Ottawa Senators might be a team to watch. Recent rumors speculate they are getting in on conversations regarding some of the more interesting names out there in the trade rumor mill. Among them are Alex DeBrincat of the Chicago Blackhawks and Jesse Puljujarvi of the Edmonton Oilers.

DeBrincat is a potential regular 40-goal guy, the type of player that isn’t readily available on the trade market. The Blackhawks are rebuilding and his prime years might not match up with their competitive window. As such, he’s a better fit elsewhere if the Blackhawks can land a huge return in a trade. He’s owed a $9 million qualifying offer and that kind of money out for a player who is good but might not be needed on a lottery team is better sent to a franchise that feels they are steadily improving and have a young core that will be competitive in the next two seasons. The Senators need a scoring winger and would pay for DeBrincat if he becomes available.

According to Scott Powers and Ian Mendes of The Athletic, the Senators have inquired about DeBrincat and have the assets available to pull off a trade like this.

As for Jesse Puljujuarvi, he too is a young player with a ton of upside, something the Senators would be looking for. He’s going to be much less expensive than DeBrincat and analytics supporters believe he’s got the tools to be a major value signing. The Oilers and Puljujarvi are reportedly not on the same page. He wants to be a top-six winger and the Oilers have a deeper top-six than many teams. Puljujarvi can work his way back up, but it doesn’t sound like he wants to and would be ok with moving on. In Ottawa, there’s a good chance he’d slot into their top-six right away.

Can the Senators land one of these two players? They have plenty of picks, including one that is high in the first round and multiple second and third-rounders. Those assets, among prospects, would be what the Blackhawks and Oilers (who would flip the pick for a useful player) are looking for.

BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jul 2 @ 5:14 PM ET
Four hours ago:
The Ottawa Senators might be a team to watch. Recent rumors speculate they are getting in on conversations regarding some of the more interesting names out there in the trade rumor mill. Among them are Alex DeBrincat of the Chicago Blackhawks and Jesse Puljujarvi of the Edmonton Oilers.

DeBrincat is a potential regular 40-goal guy, the type of player that isn’t readily available on the trade market. The Blackhawks are rebuilding and his prime years might not match up with their competitive window. As such, he’s a better fit elsewhere if the Blackhawks can land a huge return in a trade. He’s owed a $9 million qualifying offer and that kind of money out for a player who is good but might not be needed on a lottery team is better sent to a franchise that feels they are steadily improving and have a young core that will be competitive in the next two seasons. The Senators need a scoring winger and would pay for DeBrincat if he becomes available.

According to Scott Powers and Ian Mendes of The Athletic, the Senators have inquired about DeBrincat and have the assets available to pull off a trade like this.

As for Jesse Puljujuarvi, he too is a young player with a ton of upside, something the Senators would be looking for. He’s going to be much less expensive than DeBrincat and analytics supporters believe he’s got the tools to be a major value signing. The Oilers and Puljujarvi are reportedly not on the same page. He wants to be a top-six winger and the Oilers have a deeper top-six than many teams. Puljujarvi can work his way back up, but it doesn’t sound like he wants to and would be ok with moving on. In Ottawa, there’s a good chance he’d slot into their top-six right away.

Can the Senators land one of these two players? They have plenty of picks, including one that is high in the first round and multiple second and third-rounders. Those assets, among prospects, would be what the Blackhawks and Oilers (who would flip the pick for a useful player) are looking for.

- wiz1901


My bet is they are trying to lower the ask for Cat by throwing Puljujarvi in there. Fine trade for him instead, hope KD doesn't budge

Cat is a proven commodity, those 2 aren't even comparables
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 2 @ 5:16 PM ET
I'd be okay with that, but i can't see Ottawa trading Sanderson.
- BetweenTheDots


Well if they are throwing in two early first rounders, the Shane Pinto's of the world (IR) and Ridley Greig don't match up as substitutes on a first rounder.

That his why I helped them out by taking the goalie Murray.
Unless Oilers want him.

That 2022 #7 and another 2023 protected (or becomes 2024 unprotected) and

a second (TBs #65th over all 2022) or two doesn't work unless you send me Sanderson for a star player along with 3 - 4 first and second rounders.

No guarantee on Sanderson (just LOT's of PROMISE) or the 7th picks (OUR scouting staff iS going the selecting, lol)
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 2 @ 5:18 PM ET
I'd be okay with that, but i can't see Ottawa trading Sanderson.
- BetweenTheDots


Ottawa had three first round picks in 2020. They took Stutzle at #3, Sanderson at #5 and Grieg towards the lower end of the first round. Grieg is a buzz saw and he will be a very good NHL player as early as this year. Stutzle is special, he reminds many Ottawa fans of a young Hossa. Sanderson is a stud. Multiple sources call him the best drafted prospect outside the NHL. I don't think Ottawa would trade either Stutzle or Sanderson even up for Debrincat. Best hope might be Grieg plus a very good pick or another prospect.

There is no talk of Debrincat in Ottawa. Most of the chatter seems to focus on a possible deal with Arizona.
Scott1977
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Jul 2 @ 6:13 PM ET
Ottawa had three first round picks in 2020. They took Stutzle at #3, Sanderson at #5 and Grieg towards the lower end of the first round. Grieg is a buzz saw and he will be a very good NHL player as early as this year. Stutzle is special, he reminds many Ottawa fans of a young Hossa. Sanderson is a stud. Multiple sources call him the best drafted prospect outside the NHL. I don't think Ottawa would trade either Stutzle or Sanderson even up for Debrincat. Best hope might be Grieg plus a very good pick or another prospect.

There is no talk of Debrincat in Ottawa. Most of the chatter seems to focus on a possible deal with Arizona.

- spatso

Other than picks Arizona doesn't have much
rpeters01
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Jul 2 @ 6:41 PM ET
If Ottawa was desperate enough to throw Sanderson in there, if that's the same Sanderson who was on the gold team that beat Canada, abso(frank)inglutely
- BetweenTheDots

How does Ottawa improve making that trade? Ain't gonna happen.
Scott1977
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Jul 2 @ 7:03 PM ET
How does Ottawa improve making that trade? Ain't gonna happen.
- rpeters01

Ottawa gets Debrincat rights to kubalik and beaudin
Hawks get Matt murry ridley Craig Alex fortetman jb docker 2022 7th overall 2023 1st 2022 2nd 39th overall
Tatoo
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Jul 2 @ 7:18 PM ET
Can we please be realalistic about made up trades.Their is no way Ottawa would do that trade.Alex is not going to Ottawa.Maybe Philly,New jersey,Carolina.
Ogilthorpe2
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Jul 2 @ 7:38 PM ET
Can we please be realalistic about made up trades.Their is no way Ottawa would do that trade.Alex is not going to Ottawa.Maybe Philly,New jersey,Carolina.
- Tatoo

Why start now?
Scott1977
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Jul 2 @ 8:05 PM ET
Why start now?
- Ogilthorpe2

We all can speculate what's happens with Debrincat, does get traded dies he not to what team what crazy trade ideas yo come up with, including myself. But at the end of the day we have wait and see until something happens. Until then the other stuff is for discussion sake and fun.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 01.26.2018

Jul 2 @ 8:23 PM ET
Other than picks Arizona doesn't have much
- Scott1977

He means Ottawa trade with Arizona, not Chicago trading with Arizona
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 2 @ 8:49 PM ET
This is fresh today, old news or new news?

Pierre LeBrun said that Chicago Blackhawks are listening to trade offers on Alex DeBrincat for a while now. The Blackhawks are looking for three assets for DeBrincat.

“Now, there is a pressure point here in terms of next Thursday’s first round. The Blackhawks would expect a first-round pick to likely be part of any package involving Alex DeBrincat. So, things could be coming to a head over the next seven days. Keep that in mind because the Kings were talking to Chicago about DeBrincat before turning towards Kevin Fiala and paying a little less for him.”

2. Alex DeBrincat – Chicago Blackhawks
LINKED TO: New Jersey, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Ottawa, NY Islanders, Seattle

So this kinda reverse what we were told J Davidson said THREE number ones plus a youngster?


I really am less interested in what any of ud fans think a top NHL scorer in DeBrincat's situation (age/cost/impact) is worth.

Or who is a stud before they play.

I do know that JD is NOT taking a young player who on an equal plane as Boris Katchouk, or Taylor Raddysh....who are looked as a potential roster players.
They want a true young player who is looking like he is worth his salt.

I see one on each of of Ottawa, New Jersey, and the islanders, but Seattle and Philly (Cam York?) will have to give two picks and more....


Right now, it seems like DeBrincat has rocketed from
We are listening, but not trading unless the deal knocks are socks off.." to he is the person out there getting the most inquiries.

I cannot wait for Thursday to get here already!
Revco38
Chicago Blackhawks
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Jul 2 @ 8:50 PM ET
Can we please be realalistic about made up trades.Their is no way Ottawa would do that trade.Alex is not going to Ottawa.Maybe Philly,New jersey,Carolina.
- Tatoo


Not sure Carolina has what it takes to trade for DCat if KD sticks to his guns. Draft picks would be late first round, and not sure they have the prospects to get it done. Jarvis? Suzuki? Drury? Not that any prospect is can’t miss, but none of those would make up for the late picks in my estimation. Better than what we have in our pipeline but not sure they get it done.
Scott1977
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Jul 2 @ 8:54 PM ET
This is fresh today, old news or new news?

Pierre LeBrun said that Chicago Blackhawks are listening to trade offers on Alex DeBrincat for a while now. The Blackhawks are looking for three assets for DeBrincat.

“Now, there is a pressure point here in terms of next Thursday’s first round. The Blackhawks would expect a first-round pick to likely be part of any package involving Alex DeBrincat. So, things could be coming to a head over the next seven days. Keep that in mind because the Kings were talking to Chicago about DeBrincat before turning towards Kevin Fiala and paying a little less for him.”

2. Alex DeBrincat – Chicago Blackhawks
LINKED TO: New Jersey, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Ottawa, NY Islanders, Seattle

So this kinda reverse what we were told J Davidson said THREE number ones plus a youngster?


I really am less interested in what any of ud fans think a top NHL scorer in DeBrincat's situation (age/cost/impact) is worth.

Or who is a stud before they play.

I do know that JD is NOT taking a young player who on an equal plane as Boris Katchouk, or Taylor Raddysh....who are looked as a potential roster players.
They want a true young player who looking like he is worth his salt.

Right now, it seems like DeBrincat has rocketed from
We are listening, but not trading unless the deal knocks are socks off.." to he is the person out there getting the most inquiries.

I cannot wait for Thursday to get here already!

- wiz1901
wiz In your opinion does debricant get traded at or before the draft?
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 2 @ 9:08 PM ET
wiz In your opinion does debricant get traded at or before the draft?
- Scott1977


Well if New Jersey is out of contention for the 'cat...I will say 12 hours before the draft....if New Jersey, it may depend upon exactly who is there at slot #2 because they may want draft Juraj and will not trade IF Montreal takes him...

I have been to a lot of drafts and get there early and have never been shy to approach and take my ass off about what might be happening beforehand.

There were several occasions where I was told a trade was going to happen on day one and before the second day started the League second in command who make that announcement before the second day started.

Even in this electronic age, there are teams that want to hold back announcings in-place deals for the live drama.

Ottawa getting the Jason Spezza draft pick was one.
Id Montreal does get a second pick you think they willed the selection's name out there early?

Same with the Blackhawks...this is a daring attempt to get better, and you have to wonder if the kid GM thinks waiting to the last minute will work, since the NA Fleury deal wait resulted in a measly extra condition that the Wild didn't reach.
So I hope KD realizes this may need up with him blinking first and taking less.

The 'cats value will never he higher at his present production and pay...and a team making this type move gets the good press and the pick(s) well they will be considered just that- possibles


Scott1977
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Jul 2 @ 9:36 PM ET
Well if New Jersey is out of contention for the 'cat...I will say 12 hours before the draft....if New Jersey, it may depend upon exactly who is there at slot #2 because they may want draft Juraj and will not trade IF Montreal takes him...

I have been to a lot of drafts and get there early and have never been shy to approach and take my ass off about what might be happening beforehand.

There were several occasions where I was told a trade was going to happen on day one and before the second day started the League second in command who make that announcement before the second day started.

Even in this electronic age, there are teams that want to hold back announcings in-place deals for the live drama.

Ottawa getting the Jason Spezza draft pick was one.
Id Montreal does get a second pick you think they willed the selection's name out there early?

Same with the Blackhawks...this is a daring attempt to get better, and you have to wonder if the kid GM thinks waiting to the last minute will work, since the NA Fleury deal wait resulted in a measly extra condition that the Wild didn't reach.
So I hope KD realizes this may need up with him blinking first and taking less.

The 'cats value will never he higher at his present production and pay...and a team making this type move gets the good press and the pick(s) well they will be considered just that- possibles

- wiz1901

Good insight as always wiz. You like a kid in a candy store when it comes to the draft. Enjoy reading your analysis on the players, gives whole different picture the prospects. Appreciate it.
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