Good insight as always wiz. You like a kid in a candy store when it comes to the draft. Enjoy reading your analysis on the players, gives whole different picture the prospects. Appreciate it.
- Scott1977

Thank you.

I am at a crossroads as to whether I continue, b/c the new platform and owners are not making it really satisfying and lol, my right eye has some middle degeneration happening, and I cannot see as well, but this was always the hockey thing I anticipated, because I craved for the Hawks to be the ones who were gonna use the draft to really change things, change my hope, my outlook.

Of course the three Cups were pure satisfaction.

and the fact remains is when you look at the majority of movers & shakers on thrice, the majority are first rounders and early ones at that.
I am not saying you cannot get guys later, just that I tried to learn enough to gauge the selections and I have been disappointed in more of our selection at first announcement than I like.

I just still wear the Indianhead on my heart and want every year to have a first rounder and every first rounder a guy I like.

Am pretty sure the Fedotov thing probably pretty much puts paid to drafting anyone actually still in Russia.

https://www.rferl.org/a/r...ary-service/31925048.html

We should do a survey to see if we the fans want Alex traded.I really don’t know how you replace a 40 goal scorer.I say no.

We should do a survey to see if we the fans want Alex traded.I really don’t know how you replace a 40 goal scorer.I say no.
- Tatoo

Deal him ,get a top prospect a couple 1st and some cap space .#TankHardforBedard.

What is the top scale return for an RFA who leaves via offer sheet?
That would definitely be the ask for a trade for someone like DeBrincat. Because if he's traded, then goes RFA at season's end, there's a good likelihood there will be an offer sheet in that vicinity.
Also a greater than zero chance that happens if he remains a Blackhawk all year. Thus the reports on trade possibilities at this time.
He and Kane's next contracts will both be full of dollars, IMHO.
Kane's, of course, is a UFA situation.

I’m flying this morning, when I land I expect to see the following trade:

To NJ:

DeBrincat
Beaudin
Borgstrom
2022 3rd round pick (TOR)

To Chicago:

2022 1st round pick
2023 1st round pick (not protected)
2022 2nd round pick
Holtz
Stillman

Get ‘er done KD!!!!

I’m flying this morning, when I land I expect to see the following trade:

To NJ:

DeBrincat
Beaudin
Borgstrom
2022 3rd round pick (TOR)

To Chicago:

2022 1st round pick
2023 1st round pick (not protected)
2022 2nd round pick
Holtz
Stillman

Get ‘er done KD!!!!
- DarthKane

Wow, don't I wish!

I’m flying this morning, when I land I expect to see the following trade:

To NJ:

DeBrincat
Beaudin
Borgstrom
2022 3rd round pick (TOR)

To Chicago:

2022 1st round pick
2023 1st round pick (not protected)
2022 2nd round pick
Holtz
Stillman

Get ‘er done KD!!!!
- DarthKane

Not bad. I was thinking that Murphy would be thrown in to get that 2nd round pick and ensure Holtz and a 2nd prospect come back. So substitute Murphy for Beaudin and Borgstrom?

What is the top scale return for an RFA who leaves via offer sheet?
That would definitely be the ask for a trade for someone like DeBrincat. Because if he's traded, then goes RFA at season's end, there's a good likelihood there will be an offer sheet in that vicinity.
Also a greater than zero chance that happens if he remains a Blackhawk all year. Thus the reports on trade possibilities at this time.
He and Kane's next contracts will both be full of dollars, IMHO.
Kane's, of course, is a UFA situation.
- 35Tony0

That is a smart way at looking at it, if we can figure the future salary his agent and he will be looking for.
I bet KD knows they want 9 million firm.

The only part about looking at it this way is that most GMs simply stay away from offer sheets...unless they are revenge sheets, like the Hurricanes over pay on the guy Montreal drafted instead of Brady Tkachuk !


Here goes:
8.402,976. to 10.503,270 million
2 First Round Picks
1 Second Round Pick
1 Third Round Pick

More than 10,503,270 -----
4 First Round Picks


Also remember, the team offering cannot go out and get the Stanley Cup winners last first round...the team making the grab must have all their OWN selections to do so...no substitutions.
(Remember years ago Toronto needed back the 2 nd rounder they traded to the hawks to to tag Kessel?)

We should do a survey to see if we the fans want Alex traded.I really don’t know how you replace a 40 goal scorer.I say no.
- Tatoo

You hope the top picks in the next half dozen drafts where you are picking in the "can't miss" tiers includes one.

That is a smart way at looking at it, if we can figure the future salary his agent and he will be looking for.
I bet KD knows they want 9 million firm.

The only part about looking at it this way is that most GMs simply stay away from offer sheets...unless they are revenge sheets, like the Hurricanes over pay on the guy Montreal drafted instead of Brady Tkachuk !


Here goes:
8.402,976. to 10.503,270 million
2 First Round Picks
1 Second Round Pick
1 Third Round Pick

More than 10,503,270 -----
4 First Round Picks


Also remember, the team offering cannot go out and get the Stanley Cup winners last first round...the team making the grab must have all their OWN selections to do so...no substitutions.
(Remember years ago Toronto needed back the 2 nd rounder they traded to the hawks to to tag Kessel?)
- wiz1901

I believe Ottawa and New Jersey have all theirs...

Some excerpts from Eliotte Friedman's 32 Thoughts out today.

The Flyers are one of the teams that have legitimately pitched Chicago on DeBrincat — more than just tire-kicking — and they’ve tested the market on many of their players.

And

A few months ago, I refused to believe DeBrincat would be traded. Now, with each passing day, the scales tip more in favour of it happening. One player made a good argument. “He’s two years from unrestricted free agency. If this rebuild is going to be as painful as we think, is he going to want to stay there? He wants to win.” Chicago has to know that, too. If it does happen, the bigger question might be how Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews feel. The Blackhawks have not made them available, preferring that if they wish to be moved, they come forward and make it known. There’s a way to manage this, but a DeBrincat trade for futures might just do it — although I hesitate to speak for them. There is also a lot of research being done on Kirby Dach.

I believe Ottawa and New Jersey have all theirs...
- wiz1901

If they are willing to go this route, you have a few very appealing RFA on the market this year. I know DuBois has said he wants to test the FA market but Seth Jones said the same thing.

Some excerpts from Eliotte Friedman's 32 Thoughts out today.

The Flyers are one of the teams that have legitimately pitched Chicago on DeBrincat — more than just tire-kicking — and they’ve tested the market on many of their players.

And

A few months ago, I refused to believe DeBrincat would be traded. Now, with each passing day, the scales tip more in favour of it happening. One player made a good argument. “He’s two years from unrestricted free agency. If this rebuild is going to be as painful as we think, is he going to want to stay there? He wants to win.” Chicago has to know that, too. If it does happen, the bigger question might be how Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews feel. The Blackhawks have not made them available, preferring that if they wish to be moved, they come forward and make it known. There’s a way to manage this, but a DeBrincat trade for futures might just do it — although I hesitate to speak for them. There is also a lot of research being done on Kirby Dach.
- boilermaker100

But why go to Ottawa or NJ if the teams suck like the Blackhawks. Then you got to move your family away to another part of the country or different country. Moving your kid away from a support system you trust. Cat wins if he stays healthy and gets paid his next contract. Winning a Cup would be gravy but unfortunately not every player wins a Cup. Just look at Perry trying to win one more and he's been on the losing end of 3 finals in a row.

I know he doesn't have a choice if he's traded but I'm sure Cat is thinking might as well stay here instead of uprooting my family for a team that is in the same situation.

But why go to Ottawa or NJ if the teams suck like the Blackhawks. Then you got to move your family away to another part of the country or different country. Moving your kid away from a support system you trust. Cat wins if he stays healthy and gets paid his next contract. Winning a Cup would be gravy but unfortunately not every player wins a Cup. Just look at Perry trying to win one more and he's been on the losing end of 3 finals in a row.
- BetweenTheDots

If I'm reading it right, they were talking about him going - presumably to a winner - unrestricted in a couple years, like if he re-signs for one year then gets to UFA. He could then choose wherever he wanted. Ottawa and NJ only apply if he is being traded (as he does not have any sort of NMC right now).

If I'm reading it right, they were talking about him going - presumably to a winner - unrestricted in a couple years, like if he re-signs for one year then gets to UFA. He could then choose wherever he wanted. Ottawa and NJ only apply if he is being traded (as he does not have any sort of NMC right now).
- Chunk

Yea i added that as you posted this, i think if the Blackhawks don't trade him, offer him a fair market deal, max term, Cat will sign it. Just call it a hunch

Some excerpts from Eliotte Friedman's 32 Thoughts out today.

And

A few months ago, I refused to believe DeBrincat would be traded. Now, with each passing day, the scales tip more in favour of it happening. One player made a good argument. “He’s two years from unrestricted free agency. If this rebuild is going to be as painful as we think, is he going to want to stay there? He wants to win.” Chicago has to know that, too. If it does happen, the bigger question might be how Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews feel. The Blackhawks have not made them available, preferring that if they wish to be moved, they come forward and make it known. There’s a way to manage this, but a DeBrincat trade for futures might just do it — although I hesitate to speak for them. There is also a lot of research being done on Kirby Dach.
- boilermaker100

As I said yesterday (and lately a LOT), the reality of a DeBrincat departure and the arrival of MacIver's home boy, Luke Richardson may very well impact Kaner and Tazer thought on moving on to still try and win somewhere.

I just don't see
"playing my entire career here" a necessary sentiment when you know the fans will never forget what you did here.

How long will these two three time CUP winners ba able to buy in from a coach who's playing career was a mere dust spot in the annuls of NHL history, basically a bottom six defender is going to advise me on game situations? The ones Kane and Toews read and processed out there for years, are ones Luke never could see in advance!) There is respect but it wears thin once a player feels they cannot buy in b/c the feel they know better...

By deadline. me thinks some minds might be gone from the rebuild.

I just don't see Toews and Kane as guys who will ride into the sunset over a chance to play with a new diverse set of line mates on a contender.

But why go to Ottawa or NJ if the teams suck like the Blackhawks. Then you got to move your family away to another part of the country or different country. Moving your kid away from a support system you trust. Cat wins if he stays healthy and gets paid his next contract. Winning a Cup would be gravy but unfortunately not every player wins a Cup. Just look at Perry trying to win one more and he's been on the losing end of 3 finals in a row.

I know he doesn't have a choice if he's traded but I'm sure Cat is thinking might as well stay here instead of uprooting my family for a team that is in the same situation.
- BetweenTheDots

Because he doesn't have a NMC or NTC.

As I said yesterday (and lately a LOT), the reality of a DeBrincat departure and the arrival of MacIver's home boy, Luke Richardson may very well impact Kaner and Tazer thought on moving on to still try and win somewhere.

I just don't see
"playing my entire career here" a necessary sentiment when you know the fans will never forget what you did here.

How long will these two three time CUP winners ba able to buy in from a coach who's playing career was a mere dust spot in the annuls of NHL history, basically a bottom six defender is going to advise me on game situations? The ones Kane and Toews read and processed out there for years, are ones Luke never could see in advance!) There is respect but it wears thin once a player feels they cannot buy in b/c the feel they know better...

By deadline. me thinks some minds might be gone from the rebuild.

I just don't see Toews and Kane as guys who will ride into the sunset over a chance to play with a new diverse set of line mates on a contender.
- wiz1901

Not to be blunt wiz, but what the hell does a guy's playing career have to do with his prospects as a coach. Gretzky was dog poop as a coach. Meanwhile some of the best/most accomplished coaches in history were above average to mediocre at best (Q, Boudreau, Cooper, Trotz, etc).

Edit: Kane and Toews have more cup wins than pretty much any active and/or available coach. Should they just not have one because they are on the team?

Because he doesn't have a NMC or NTC.
- boilermaker100

Not directed at you, i just don't buy what the media is selling. Those 2 teams aren't going to pay what it takes to get Cat, and if KD caves sends a message to the league, just wait me out.

4 days and less than 8 hours before the draft

Not to be blunt wiz, but what the hell does a guy's playing career have to do with his prospects as a coach. Gretzky was dog poop as a coach. Meanwhile some of the best/most accomplished coaches in history were above average to mediocre at best (Q, Boudreau, Cooper, Trotz, etc).

Edit: Kane and Toews have more cup wins than pretty much any active and/or available coach. Should they just not have one because they are on the team?
- Chunk

No prob, buddy:

Let's make it closer to home:

You ever have a superior at work younger with little experience, and they are telling you tons of things you don't need to hear repeated, b/c you are far pass needing or heeding that advice?

( for years when we got new high school principals and they came in talking this or dat outrageous poop, the veteran staff would look at each other and say, "I was here before this one, I will be here after this one is gone."

The totality is by the trade deadline the two Blackhawk stars may be ready to go win a Cup because the messages aren't resounding through their hearts (like the fans).

4 days and less than 8 hours before the draft
- BetweenTheDots

and a new wrinkle in the rumor tree:

As we (i) continue our (lack of outside life) pursuit of accurate facts in our speculation on the Alex Debrincat return the latest buzzer went off with an exhaustive research by Philly of their own prospects at forward and a double down on researching Kirby Dach, it might be time for me to speculate on the Philly return since that
may signal a bigger trade for both teams.

Flyers have one first rounder in next two drafts, and their own and Florida’s in 2024. They do ntot have a 2nd rounder until 2024 either.
So if they “only have one pick each round this year (minus the missing second rounder), I would expect this trade to start around the 2022 5th pick overall.
(Later down itv the bottom I will try and figure the Blackhawk pick at #5 slot.)
This is not enough to speculate the Flyers haul off Dach & DeBrincat.

Cam York
In my eyes this is what gets the trade down the former first rounder…making it basically two first rounders returning in my eyes.
Old profile on the redhead:
Reliable all-around mobile defenseman who needs to add weight and muscle on his thin frame. Isn't going to knock attackers down, but with use his high end skating, head, and elite stick-handling to beat you the other way. Very mobile and agile, his footwork can re-position him away from shot blockers and checkers. High IQ and high pace flyer with impressive feet and stick. Lacks size but that is becoming less of an issue if the defenseman can push the pace, pass the puck and get back in his end in a hurry. His shot needs some strength, but he still projects as a future power play QB. He was one of the better US players in the World Junior U-18s..

No deal if I cannot get him and the #5 and more….

Here’s what they might want to sent but just say no:

Tyson Foerster
Big centre whose strong in puck battles and plays a physical game. and projects as an NHL right handed wing.  Has a good vision, playmaking skills, shot and hands. Has one of the heaviest one timers in the draft, setting up on the left side, ala Ovie. Finds his teammates when they better options. But he lacks quickness and agility and gets lost in transition because of it, dumping pucks instead using teammates to keep possession.  Needs to be quicker in his stop / starts, and like Dustin Penner, needs to improve his heavy boots big time. His stand up style translate to a need to become more flexible in the lower body, and needs improvement in his agility and get that stick down on the ice!

BTW
I do not want RW Owen Tippett who has always been, in my opinion, a one-way guy who can’t /won’t play/ learn 200 feet, or
One way midget scorer Bobby Brink, who Debrincat could check into the ground for the next five years b/c he ain’t poop but an attacker, who spends more time than planarian side-stepping checkers...
or
Joel Farabee’s 5 million Cap hit, or
The rights to their Russian goalkeeper Ivan Fedotov, who went home and is in jail now as a draft dodger…
https://www.rferl.org/a/r...ary-service/31925048.html
And
I doubt they are sending the dirty laundry and their cap hits in Travis Sanheim ($4.675.000) or the excellent 25 yr. old defender Ivan Provorov ($6.750.000) an assistant captain….




On that #5 pick:

Well again it is easier to speculate if you know if one of the top four teams selecting ARE the ones still there.
The stupid rumors point to Jeff C. Being this good like defender that a team will pay for long term and he will solve you problems in your backline.
And we also see it seems inevitable that Canuck J T Miller IS gonna get traded out of Vancouver and my head is stratching on that one.
Could one of those teams pony up and give their #2 or #4 to get one of them?????

So that factors into if the Slovakian and czechinan defenders stay or go before or at #4, because I think Canucks and Arizona might use an early selection of them to reboot their defense depth with a guy there...

My thinking is the Hawks would love Logan Cooley at sixth, but who wouldn’t?
And Matthew Savoie, Cutter Gauthier, and a host of guys who I really don’t see as reaches to select “earlier” than expected, but not really…I am sure the Hawks look at this draft (if they get an early first rounder) as making sure this selection is a player who on ice play quickly endears the fan base as the first piece in the rebuild.

Not directed at you, i just don't buy what the media is selling. Those 2 teams aren't going to pay what it takes to get Cat, and if KD caves sends a message to the league, just wait me out.
- BetweenTheDots

Some on this BOD were apoplectic when Hagel was traded, now most wonder why Tampa gave up 2 first’s and 2 nhl players for him. Kubalik and deHaan were not moved at the TDL because KD did not think he was offered fair value. Now you are saying that if ADB is traded for less than a kings ransom on a deal that could not be evaluated for 5 years he perceived to have caved? Tell that to Dubas

Some on this BOD were apoplectic when Hagel was traded, now most wonder why Tampa gave up 2 first’s and 2 nhl players for him. Kubalik and deHaan were not moved at the TDL because KD did not think he was offered fair value. Now you are saying that if ADB is traded for less than a kings ransom on a deal that could not be evaluated for 5 years he perceived to have caved? Tell that to Dubas
- LAHawk

I was until i found out what the deal was for Hagel

Honestly you should save those big words for Paul, I'm just an ordinary average guy

Dubas is a joke

Yep Caved