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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 29 @ 1:47 PM ET
Anyone believing a word this snake oil salesman utters is a buffoon of the highest order.
- PLindbergh31

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 29 @ 1:47 PM ET
https://twitter.com/charl...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

gee what a shock....
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:47 PM ET
audio was out for a lot of the presser so far, looking forward to reading Bill's transcript.
- jd250




go to youtube. Working fine there. Scroll up I posted the link
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

Jun 29 @ 1:49 PM ET
Decent chunk of assistants coming back.

Not a country club my ass.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 29 @ 1:50 PM ET
https://twitter.com/charl...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

wasnt July the date to get back on the ice? Still funny they will not say what the injury is at this time
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 29 @ 1:50 PM ET
Decent chunk of assistants coming back.

Not a country club my ass.

- FlyerFan3260

Its the primary assistants that matter, and Fletcher stated Torts has that decision.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 29 @ 1:50 PM ET
Decent chunk of assistants coming back.

Not a country club my ass.

- FlyerFan3260

so the new coach will not be picking all his assistants?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 1:51 PM ET
Its the primary assistants that matter, and Fletcher stated Torts has that decision.
- jd250



That's funny. In his press conference, Tortorella stated that he and Fletcher were going to work on that together.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 29 @ 1:52 PM ET
go to youtube. Working fine there. Scroll up I posted the link
- MBFlyerfan

Even on youtube the audio was off for quite a while. On Youtube I can hear the last 30 minutes of the presser.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 29 @ 1:52 PM ET
That's funny. In his press conference, Tortorella stated that he and Fletcher were going to work on that together.
- MJL

Sure, but clearly Torts will have the final say as any head coach with this experience would.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 29 @ 1:56 PM ET
Paraphrasing:

The issue is all over his middle and lower body and he is working hard to put all the pieces back together. Things could go real well, but they also could not. Ellis hopes to be ready at some point but things have to be taken in steps and there could be setbacks, or things could stall. He is on schedule according to the doctors but that could change

etc etc etc etc

- MBFlyerfan

So they still have no idea what’s really wrong with him.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:05 PM ET
So they still have no idea what’s really wrong with him.
- ClaudeFather



No, I think they have an idea, what I got out of it was there were multiple things wrong with him.
Flyerfan2868
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:13 PM ET
No, I think they have an idea, what I got out of it was there were multiple things wrong with him.
- MBFlyerfan


That, but also just the fact that they really have no idea if or when he will.be able to play....They're hopeful he stays on track, but he still has more processes to go before he even skates. They have no idea if he'll be ready for training camp/next season. They're hoping to have a good idea by mid summer about what they might need to do.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 29 @ 2:15 PM ET
No, I think they have an idea, what I got out of it was there were multiple things wrong with him.
- MBFlyerfan

That’s got to be the worst trade in history for all parties. No one got an NHL player out of the three way trade. And I know it technically wasn’t a three way trade so spare me.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:15 PM ET
So they still have no idea what’s really wrong with him.
- ClaudeFather


I'm not at all worried. We've seen how well they handled this with Ellis and not knowing.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:16 PM ET
Decent chunk of assistants coming back.

Not a country club my ass.

- FlyerFan3260


I hope the PK coach is back. Penalty kill was ace last year.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 29 @ 2:16 PM ET
We can't just continually go to market to build a team, we need to get some players back and we need some of our younger players to step up
-Chuck Fletcher

Music to my ears. I hope he means it!
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:19 PM ET
No, I think they have an idea, what I got out of it was there were multiple things wrong with him.
- MBFlyerfan


If we are disbelieving everything Fletcher says, that would mean Ellis is actually healthy but refusing to play. Possibly because he's a reverse vampire.
Flyerfan2868
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:22 PM ET
Decent chunk of assistants coming back.

Not a country club my ass.

- FlyerFan3260


Seeing all the other coaching staff go, It's odd that Williams is a holdover as an assistant, that's for sure. He was AV's guy, and only been here one year (albeit one of the worst seasons in the team's history).

Patterson has been with the Flyers for like 20 years, and Yula was a Comcast guy prior to assisting the Flyers and being officially named to the Flyers staff.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 29 @ 2:22 PM ET
Splintering? I don't know if I agree with that, obviously he [Torts] is entitled to his opinion. I think its a bunch of good guys that got along but I think we have to get to is you can be a good guy and we can all get along but we have to hold each other accountable and I think that is more to what he [Torts] is getting at, and clearly that is where we need to get to and the players would recognize that as well.
-Chuck Fletcher

This goes back to what Braun stated on Flyers daily when talking about how his team was in San Jose with Joe Thornton as captain. To me this is where it has to start, players holding each other accountable. Pretty clear that did not happen with Giroux as captain all that much.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:28 PM ET
This goes back to what Braun stated on Flyers daily when talking about how his team was in San Jose with Joe Thornton as captain. To me this is where it has to start, players holding each other accountable. Pretty clear that did not happen with Giroux as captain all that much.
- jd250



Clearly, that's what Fletcher said. Giroux didn't hold the players accountable.


Explain to me how a team captain holds other players accountable? What mechanism does a team captain have to hold other players accountable?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 29 @ 2:39 PM ET
Clearly, that's what Fletcher said. Giroux didn't hold the players accountable.


Explain to me how a team captain holds other players accountable? What mechanism does a team captain have to hold other players accountable?

- MJL

Ok, you tell me how a bunch of talented professional hockey players come together on the Flyers and don't hold each other accountable? The captain IMO sets the tone for the rest of the team. Yes Giroux worked hard and lead by example, but its crystal clear to me he did not hold players in the room accountable, it just was not in his personality, and that spread quickly to the rest of the room. Its not all on Giroux, its the other veteran leaders on this team also, they have played a role, which is why I hope the next captain is Atkinson or Ellis if he could ever get back on the ice, we need someone from the outside to set the new tone for the team to follow.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:40 PM ET
I need an update on how Chris Stewart is doing on the player development side.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 29 @ 2:42 PM ET
They fired Hextall because the team wasn't good enough fast enough. So how did he have the grace of not having to have a good team? You don't just instantly build a contender. First the clean up has to happen. The grace that Hextall didn't have was a patient and realistic management. As Bill Meltzer recently pointed out, the Avs quest took 13 years.
- MJL


I don't doubt it can take that long, though I think the AVs have had the squad to contend for a few years now, while the Flyers were not and are not close. I would have been ok Hextall staying and given more rope but I do think the lack of development would have caught up to him eventually. If he stayed, they still would have been picking mid-teens or so, it is what it is..
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:48 PM ET
I need an update on how Chris Stewart is doing on the player development side.
- PLindbergh31



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