I agree...I think that they're trying to avoid a very public Eichel type situation. Whatever the actual injuries are, Ellis doesn't want surgery (he burned an entire season to avoid it), so they're accommodating the player's wishes. If this course of treatment doesn't get him back on the ice for an extended amount of time, I suspect we'll then see a decision made by Ellis to get surgery or step away.
- Flyerfan2868

I think at this point, surgery can't solve the issue to get him back to physically playing at an NHL level. I believe the organization is in another Pronger situation. Granted, the injury is certainly different, but whatever it is prevents Ellis from playing. I would assumw they will put him on LTIR before training camp to put a conclusion to this situation.

I think at this point, surgery can't solve the issue to get him back to physically playing at an NHL level. I believe the organization is in another Pronger situation. Granted, the injury is certainly different, but whatever it is prevents Ellis from playing. I would assumw they will put him on LTIR before training camp to put a conclusion to this situation.
- Trox88

If it becomes a Pronger situation. Ellis will become a tradeable asset.

If it becomes a Pronger situation. Ellis will become a tradeable asset.
- MJL

I would think with the cap looking to rise after this upcoming season, you would be correct. I will be curious if the Ellis situation offers motivation to get Sanheim extended before the trade deadline.

Still seems a little light for a productive player who seems on the upswing.
- furio16

Yes it does. Fiala probably wasn’t willing to go anywhere so Guerin was limited.

If it becomes a Pronger situation. Ellis will become a tradeable asset.
- MJL

The Wild could be in the market for an LTIR player.

Again, I want you to tell me how the captain holds other players accountable in the room? We'll start there. If a player does not fall in line, what does the captain do?

There is no player on the team who can come close to setting the tone that Giroux set for over a decade.
- MJL

For any team to be effective, they must have enough psychological safety to speak frankly with each other if and when the need arises, for example if it is felt that one or more players are not working hard enough or open to playing the system the way it has been taught. The captain, and the entire leadership group on the team are responsible for creating such an environment. I am not in the room so I am just connecting the dots here, but its clear to me that this team has lacked a culture of accountability for a few years now. I base this one statements made by the players, Braun and Atkinson to be specific, and the statements by AV, Yeo and Fletcher.

If it becomes a Pronger situation. Ellis will become a tradeable asset.
- MJL

I hate to think this way but I tend to agree with you, it may be best for the Flyers is Ellis has to hang them up and they just keep him on LTIR until they can trade him to a team that needs to get to the cap floor.

Nashville hung up the phone the day of that deal and laughed uncontrollably.
- SuperSchennBros

Revenge from Poile for the Weber offer caper.

I hate to think this way but I tend to agree with you, it may be best for the Flyers is Ellis has to hang them up and they just keep him on LTIR until they can trade him to a team that needs to get to the cap floor.
- jd250

Ellis is a legit top pairing d man. The best thing for the Flyers would be to get him healthy. I agree it still seems like a murky situation but perhaps by training camp they will have a better idea of his long term prognosis…not sure what a multi layered injury in the middle region exactly is, but they’ve been patient to this point…what’s another couple of months? Just a frustrating situation

For any team to be effective, they must have enough psychological safety to speak frankly with each other if and when the need arises, for example if it is felt that one or more players are not working hard enough or open to playing the system the way it has been taught. The captain, and the entire leadership group on the team are responsible for creating such an environment. I am not in the room so I am just connecting the dots here, but its clear to me that this team has lacked a culture of accountability for a few years now. I base this one statements made by the players, Braun and Atkinson to be specific, and the statements by AV, Yeo and Fletcher.
- jd250

You repeatedly dodge the question. The copy and past portion is obvious. Speaking frankly with a teammate is not holding anyone accountable. You continue to dodge the obvious. A captain does not have the ability to hold a teammate accountable. Only the coach and the GM do.

If Cooley is on the board when the Flyers pick 5th they need to take him. He would give this team what it desperately needs(speed and skill at the forward position). Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

He won't be.

He won't be.
- bmeltzer

Bill,

Could Gauthier and/or Kemmel end up going in the top 5 in the draft?

Bill,

Could Gauthier and/or Kemmel end up going in the top 5 in the draft?
- Trox88

Yes, certainly possible.

Ellis is a legit top pairing d man. The best thing for the Flyers would be to get him healthy. I agree it still seems like a murky situation but perhaps by training camp they will have a better idea of his long term prognosis…not sure what a multi layered injury in the middle region exactly is, but they’ve been patient to this point…what’s another couple of months? Just a frustrating situation
- landros 2

Yes, of course, this goes without saying that a healthy Ellis should be what everyone wants. But what I am afraid of is a player that comes back and is 50% of himself or is unreliable. Its concerning to me because there was no surgery here, it just seems like a lot of rehab on many different parts of his core. Who is to say this is not a chronic thing that will not come back at a moment's notice?

You repeatedly dodge the question. The copy and past portion is obvious. Speaking frankly with a teammate is not holding anyone accountable. You continue to dodge the obvious. A captain does not have the ability to hold a teammate accountable. Only the coach and the GM do.
- MJL

When you get to a level like the NHL, accountability ultimately is at the individual player level. They must look themselves in the mirror and make sure they are giving all they can every single day of their careers, whether in season or off-season. The Flyers have from what I can tell a player accountability issue. In the end you are right, no one can force another person to be accountable, they either are or they are not. All I am saying is the captain and the leadership of a team are most influential to creating an environment where players can freely challenge themselves and others to be the best they can be. Do you think in the past two season all the Flyers players have giving all they can? If not, why not?

Yes, certainly possible.
- bmeltzer

How would you rank Nemec, Jiricek, Gauthier, and Kemel heading into the draft?

Looks like the Bruins are hiring Velluci as their coach...

When you get to a level like the NHL, accountability ultimately is at the individual player level. They must look themselves in the mirror and make sure they are giving all they can every single day of their careers, whether in season or off-season. The Flyers have from what I can tell a player accountability issue. In the end you are right, no one can force another person to be accountable, they either are or they are not. All I am saying is the captain and the leadership of a team are most influential to creating an environment where players can freely challenge themselves and others to be the best they can be. Do you think in the past two season all the Flyers players have giving all they can? If not, why not?
- jd250

You're all over the place. First it's Giroux is not holding players accountable. Now it's accountability is at the individual player level. Do you have any clue about what you're talking about?

The Flyers have a deep rooted organizational issue with the wrong people in influential positions. They've had bad coaching and they lack top level talent. Those are the Flyers issues.

You're all over the place. First it's Giroux is not holding players accountable. Now it's accountability is at the individual player level. Do you have any clue about what you're talking about?

The Flyers have a deep rooted organizational issue with the wrong people in influential positions. They've had bad coaching and they lack top level talent. Those are the Flyers issues.
- MJL

That's your opinion. I'll agree with you that the Flyers lack top-end talent. But there is an issue with player accountability, that is the number 1 reason why Torts has been hired and is considered the right coach for this team right now.

That's your opinion. I'll agree with you that the Flyers lack top-end talent. But there is an issue with player accountability, that is the number 1 reason why Torts was hired and was considered the right coach for this team right now.
- jd250

If that is the case then the Flyers are in big trouble. Not that they aren't already.

I want one of two things, play or be done but after reading comments here I thought for sure done.

Are these comments all wrong then?


He hopes they'll get more good news on Ellis throughout July and August.

"He’s very excited and bound and determined to get back. He’s made progress," Fletcher said. "I’m not trying to be vague, but I just don’t think anybody could look anybody in the eye and say he’ll be back by this time frame.

"He’s where we thought he would be, he’s where the medical people thought he would be. But then he’s got another step he’s got to take, hopefully that responds. And then another step and then get on the ice and then how does that respond. It may go quicker, it may go slower.

"For me, the ultimate goal is to make sure we get him back as quickly as possible. The goal has been for camp and for the start of the season. Hopefully that’s the case, but the bigger picture here is making sure we get him back and that's what we're focused on."

They are laying the groundwork for Ellis to miss a second year.
- Sinisalo4vr

Fletcher caught his frank and beans in his zipper on this Ellis trade. Self inflicted and lazy. Pretty embarrassing.

Yep Chucky foresaw that Ellis would have a multiple injuries he never had before all at the same time. He also knew that his #1 center would be out for a chunk of the season as well as his # 2 center. He also knew his best young wing would get hurt as well. He doesn't even know how to draft, i mean look at Minnesota, there is no one on the that team still playing for it that he drafted.

There was nothing wrong with the trade. He got rid of a players that just had no future on this team and maybe in the league.
- WhiskeyMan

Actually Ellis was fairly injury prone prior to this year. The problem with his centers is his #1 center, if ever healthy again, is probably a 1B. His number 2 center is really a number 3 (pre-injury) but paid like a number 1

I hate to think this way but I tend to agree with you, it may be best for the Flyers is Ellis has to hang them up and they just keep him on LTIR until they can trade him to a team that needs to get to the cap floor.
- jd250

He is not a good trade chip for this. teams that need to get to the cap floor do not like spending cash. That is why they are below the cap floor. His salary is greater than his cap hit for the next 3 years. That is not a contract a cheap organization trades for

LOL. Myself and a few others knew there was something very wrong with the trade the day it was made.
- MJL

You at first didnt like it because they were trading away their youth, then later you spun it that Ellis is always hurt.