Wasn’t what I asked you.
- furio16

This team has played careless lazy hockey for years and the captain of that squad has to take some of the blame for that! You are correct, but you won't convince the other guy, so might as well save your breath.

By reading Hockeybuzz.com, Plenty of inside sources here.
- SuperSchennBros

Lol yes! Torts probably skips Bill's blog and goes straight to the comments to get any info he needs about the team.

Not a well thought out statement, as you like to say lol. Nothing by semantics. Is the captain supposed to be a bridge between the coach and team? Is he responsible for getting the coaches message across?

The facts are this, he is part of the reason for the slow starts and losing steaks.

So who do you put the blame/ fault or whatever other adjectives you want to use for all the slow starts and losing streaks on over the years? Since clearly you absolve Giroux 100%.
- furio16

I'm not sure in what world offering the factual evidence of Giroux's performance over a decade in a border line hall of fame career and becoming the 2nd all time in points as a Flyer, is a semantics argument. You ignore it and move to fallacies because the facts aren't on your side. Like most typical fans who criticize and blame Giroux. Anything further is just wasting my time.

Wasn’t what I asked you.
- furio16

Sure it is and the question has been sufficiently answered.

I'm not sure in what world offering the factual evidence of Giroux's performance over a decade in a border line hall of fame career and becoming the 2nd all time in points as a Flyer, is a semantics argument. You ignore it and move to fallacies because the facts aren't on your side. Like most typical fans who criticize and blame Giroux. Anything further is just wasting my time.
- MJL

Who is blaming Giroux? Blaming him would be saying he was solely responsible. That was never said.

Again the facts are he is the leader of the team. He shares some of the blame. Not my fault your are hard heard and refuse to accept it. Despite it being true.

My apologies for wasting your time.

Sure it is and the question has been sufficiently answered.
- MJL

According to you sure.

Sadly, this garbage has been going on for quite a while. I still believe it was his anger over Mason being rushed back into the lineup when not fully recovered that cost goaltending coach Jeff Reese his job. In just the last few years, it also seems like Hart was allowed to continue playing in a lost season when he was far from 100% and obviously the multiple surgeries that Hayes went through needs more scrutiny. God only knows what the really story behind Ellis' issues are.

I fear that is more of the old school Flyers play through pain influence that infects every level of this organization. The minute Ellis became unavailable the season was pretty much over. And, if that wasn't enough to convince the supposed guy in charge, Dave Scott, that this season was toast, the minute Couturier went out long term should have certainly did the trick. From that moment on, any player with any type of injury, even minor injury, should have been kept out of the lineup. This is not rocket science, IT'S COMMON F'N SENSE! What's the worst that could have happened, they lose a few more games and pick 4th instead of 5th?

I truly believe that this organization reeks of incompetence at most key levels: management, development, training, and medical. And while Torts is a significant upgrade to AV or Yeo, no coach will be able to overcome the ineptitude of the other departments.

I'm sorry, and as a fan of this team for over 50 years it pains me deeply to say this, but this team deserves nada. Not our support, not our money and certainly not the benefit of the doubt. Comcast needs to either clean house from top to bottom or just do us all a damn favor and sell the team.

The Flyers have become a disgrace.

One player can't control any of that by himself. He was the best player on the ice for the team for a decade. I've never seen Giroux as a lazy uninspired player. He always showed up ready to play. How could he have stopped a team from quitting on a coach (which in effect happens to every coach eventually) I think this is conflating talent issues with leadership issues. Not to mention not offering anything concrete which points to Giroux.
- MJL

This! Giroux gave his all on the ice. You don't put up the career numbers he put up if you are dogging it. I think the Flyers issues, as mentioned in my previous post, are much greater than the players. Nearly every dept of the organization is lacking competence.

Who is blaming Giroux? Blaming him would be saying he was solely responsible. That was never said.

Again the facts are he is the leader of the team. He shares some of the blame. Not my fault your are hard heard and refuse to accept it. Despite it being true.

My apologies for wasting your time.
- furio16

I agree that Giroux was not solely responsible but does share some of the blame. I've always been a Giroux fan but as you and others have said, he was replied upon to be the leader of this team. Fletcher made a comment last summer about needing more leadership and that's why he brought in former alternates like Ellis, RR, Cam, and even Yandle. While the moves didn't work out as planned, it says something that once again, locker room issues are a problem. Let's hope Torts can fix it.

Lol yes! Torts probably skips Bill's blog and goes straight to the comments to get any info he needs about the team.
- Don Nachbaur

He only defers to MJL and his brilliance.

This! Giroux gave his all on the ice. You don't put up the career numbers he put up if you are dogging it. I think the Flyers issues, as mentioned in my previous post, are much greater than the players. Nearly every dept of the organization is lacking competence.
- BiggE

Holy smokes! That back read. Wow. G has been gone for three months but still provides a shield to target for some Flyers fans. The scapegoating continues. Guy is not perfect but that is super hero stuff right there.

Only going by what someone said on here yesterday. They said based on his comments that he thinks the locker room is fractured and needs to be repaired. I'm not sure where he got it from? Perhaps the locker room is already repaired with the country clubbers( Voracek and Giroux) gone?
-PhillyWhiteout

In his interview with Jason Myrtetus, Torts stated the locker room was splintered and that can't continue for this team to be successful. In Friday's Flyers daily, Bill and Jason hinted that the at least on of the problems was with Provorov. I would imagine there is some sort of issue that Fletcher or maybe Yeo know about and that was relayed to Tort's during the interview process, or very shortly after he signed.

In his interview with Jason Myrtetus, Torts stated the locker room was splintered and that can't continue for this team to be successful. In Friday's Flyers daily, Bill and Jason hinted that the at least on of the problems was with Provorov. I would imagine there is some sort of issue that Fletcher or maybe Yeo know about and that was relayed to Tort's during the interview process, or very shortly after he signed.
- jd250

Honestly, I find people’s reactions to this very interesting. In season, when Provorov says (paraphrasing) he thinks the issue is the team looks at issues differently and need to all get on the same page, some cry foul, “whiner and trade him.” When Atkinson and then Torts says he thinks the locker room is fractured, they all need to be together as a team, the same folks cry “we knew it.” Honestly, to me it is the same thing that was said. Funny that the target automatically becomes Provy, not Atkinson who says the same thing. Strange that there must always be a target, too. Hopefully, Torts can evaluate and think for himself.

No one on this planet can help you prove any of your points cause your points are so far off base there is actually no hope for you whatsoever. Now please go climb back under whatever rock you live under. Thanks so much for your cooperation in this matter you dill pickle!
- Phillywhiteout

Your utter delusion is befuddling

by the way, Im still waiting to see a local news lead off with the Torts hire and not Philly being awarded World Cup games....post a link when you have a chance

Giroux has never played for Team Canada at the Olympics. That alone shows he is not an elite player even for Canada, and his playoff track record shows the cancer he is ....ask the Panthers.
- penguininnevada

Might be the dumbest comment in buzz history..

I have two questions for you.

One, how is this comment nasty?

"Tortorella has not set one foot in the locker room. How has he discovered that the locker room is fractured?"

Secondly, and most importantly, how am I wrong?
- MJL

The fact that torts has not been in the locker room does not mean he knows nothing about it.

He has already spoken to many in the org including Atkinson who have provided feedback.

I agree that he will beat them down and raise them up. I get that, but every coach going into a new locker room already has an opinion on the character in the room long before training camp.

Your utter delusion is befuddling

by the way, Im still waiting to see a local news lead off with the Torts hire and not Philly being awarded World Cup games....post a link when you have a chance
- THE BLACK HAND

Who cares about the torts hire gaining more pub than the World Cup? Can’t I be happy about both?

Honestly, I find people’s reactions to this very interesting. In season, when Provorov says (paraphrasing) he thinks the issue is the team looks at issues differently and need to all get on the same page, some cry foul, “whiner and trade him.” When Atkinson and then Torts says he thinks the locker room is fractured, they all need to be together as a team, the same folks cry “we knew it.” Honestly, to me it is the same thing that was said. Funny that the target automatically becomes Provy, not Atkinson who says the same thing. Strange that there must always be a target, too. Hopefully, Torts can evaluate and think for himself.
- NC Flyers Fan

Provy has been swaddled like a baby here. What are you taking about.. the guy had a terrible year and complained at the end. What am is missing?

Dude had the yips 3/4ths of the yr

Who is blaming Giroux? Blaming him would be saying he was solely responsible. That was never said.

Again the facts are he is the leader of the team. He shares some of the blame. Not my fault your are hard heard and refuse to accept it. Despite it being true.

My apologies for wasting your time.
- furio16

Now that is a semantics argument.

I'm not hard headed at all. I'm asking you to support why he shares blame. The best you can do is say he was there and wore the C and offer clichés such as the team goes where the captain goes. So I'm asking you if that is true, why didn't the team follow him as he played at a franchise level and was a finalist for the Hart trophy?

Honestly, I find people’s reactions to this very interesting. In season, when Provorov says (paraphrasing) he thinks the issue is the team looks at issues differently and need to all get on the same page, some cry foul, “whiner and trade him.” When Atkinson and then Torts says he thinks the locker room is fractured, they all need to be together as a team, the same folks cry “we knew it.” Honestly, to me it is the same thing that was said. Funny that the target automatically becomes Provy, not Atkinson who says the same thing. Strange that there must always be a target, too. Hopefully, Torts can evaluate and think for himself.
- NC Flyers Fan

You know it's really funny to me. It's as if some think that after a season the team had that it would be kumbaya in the locker room. Of course there was negative emotion and frustration. That wasn't the cause of the losing though. That's the effect that losing has on humans. Fix the talent issue and get better coaching. All of a sudden, you won't have a "fractured" locker room.

The fact that torts has not been in the locker room does not mean he knows nothing about it.

He has already spoken to many in the org including Atkinson who have provided feedback.

I agree that he will beat them down and raise them up. I get that, but every coach going into a new locker room already has an opinion on the character in the room long before training camp.
- Joe Nardone

The point was that whatever Tortorella "knows" is hearsay. That he is going to call the locker room fractured and everything else broken whether it is or it isn't. That's his M.O.

Provy has been swaddled like a baby here. What are you taking about.. the guy had a terrible year and complained at the end. What am is missing?

Dude had the yips 3/4ths of the yr
- Joe Nardone

Having to have the responsibility of being the team's #1 defenseman since he was 19 and saddled with all that come with that is being swaddled like a baby? What the hell are you talking about?

You know it's really funny to me. It's as if some think that after a season the team had that it would be kumbaya in the locker room. Of course there was negative emotion and frustration. That wasn't the cause of the losing though. That's the effect that losing has on humans. Fix the talent issue and get better coaching. All of a sudden, you won't have a "fractured" locker room.
- MJL

Yep, haven’t met a competitor yet that is just fine with losing. What do people expect. It was frustrating and it has been a frustrating few years.

Who cares about the torts hire gaining more pub than the World Cup? Can’t I be happy about both?
- Joe Nardone

thanks for chiming in Joe about a conversation you have no idea about

Provy has been swaddled like a baby here. What are you taking about.. the guy had a terrible year and complained at the end. What am is missing?

Dude had the yips 3/4ths of the yr
- Joe Nardone

A fair bit, I say, but you may not be willing to hear it so…