Bill Meltzer: Farabee Undergoes Neck Surgery, Will Miss 3-4 Months
- bmeltzer

My question to all is, if you’re running the organization, when was Joel Farabee’s surgery suppose to take place?

Tortorella has not set one foot in the locker room. How has he discovered that the locker room is fractured?
- MJL

By reading Hockeybuzz.com, Plenty of inside sources here.

What other areas?
- MJL

Constant slow starts. Taking periods off. Hell taking whole games off. Lazy uninspired play. Allowing a team to quit on coaches (my opinion).

This is actually really good news for the Flyers. It could signal another season where injuries save the Flyers from their own incompetence.
- StepfordSam

Gives the GM another year of excuses.

I'm talking about Flyers players only also. I think he's basing it on what happens with a losing team based on his experience rather than talking to any particular player on the Flyers.
- MJL

You believe he talked to other players. I do not. Only one.

I absolutely think he got some intel from Atkinson.

My question to all is, if you’re running the organization, when was Joel Farabee’s surgery suppose to take place?
- SuperSchennBros

Farabee is hurt
Farabee gets looked at by drs
Farabee gets results and is diagnosed with ailment
Farabee and management asks what should he do
Drs give the Flyers options

Assuming surgery is the best plan then they schedule immediately

Farabee is hurt
Farabee gets looked at by drs
Farabee gets results and is diagnosed with ailment
Farabee and management asks what should he do
Drs give the Flyers options

Assuming surgery is the best plan then they schedule immediately
- Pelle31Forever

Okay, what’s roughly the timeline to make this all happen?

Constant slow starts. Taking periods off. Hell taking whole games off. Lazy uninspired play. Allowing a team to quit on coaches (my opinion).
- furio16

One player can't control any of that by himself. He was the best player on the ice for the team for a decade. I've never seen Giroux as a lazy uninspired player. He always showed up ready to play. How could he have stopped a team from quitting on a coach (which in effect happens to every coach eventually) I think this is conflating talent issues with leadership issues. Not to mention not offering anything concrete which points to Giroux.

You believe he talked to other players. I do not. Only one.

I absolutely think he got some intel from Atkinson.
- furio16

I think it certainly makes sense that he would speak to a former player who he knows well. There is reason to believe that took place. What information do you have that leads you to believe he did not talk to any other players?

Okay, what’s roughly the timeline to make this all happen?
- SuperSchennBros

I have zero clue. I guess it all hinges on when Farabee first sought medical help.

I have zero clue. I guess it all hinges on when Farabee first sought medical help.
- Pelle31Forever

Exactly. Look no further than yesterday with the overreactions. I know myself as a person. Even when I’m hurt and probably need to be looked at, especially heading summer or vacation time. I don’t wanna get checked out and get bad news. For all we know Farabee hid his injury until he couldn’t anymore.

The most surprising part of Farabee's surgery is that they didn't wait until camp opened.

So there's always a silver lining when you're a Philly fan, amirite?
- daddytc

No. I am with Stepford Sam and his logic. I wish they did wait until camp opened for the same recovery timeline.

I think it certainly makes sense that he would speak to a former player who he knows well. There is reason to believe that took place. What information do you have that leads you to believe he did not talk to any other players?
- MJL

What information leads you to believe he did?

What former Flyers players does he know well that have been here say the last 5 years?

I clearly stated it is my take that he didn’t speak to any current players except Atkinson.

One player can't control any of that by himself. He was the best player on the ice for the team for a decade. I've never seen Giroux as a lazy uninspired player. He always showed up ready to play. How could he have stopped a team from quitting on a coach (which in effect happens to every coach eventually) I think this is conflating talent issues with leadership issues. Not to mention not offering anything concrete which points to Giroux.
- MJL

Didn’t get indicate one player can; he was part of that problem. To dismiss it or say otherwise is false.

Well he has not always showed up ready to play. He has played uninspired at times.

I offered Several items that are concrete. You are choosing to ignore them. He was the captain. He was part of the team. Therefore to absolve him for the slow starts and the other stuff is wrong. He shoulders some of that blame.

What information leads you to believe he did?

What former Flyers players does he know well that have been here say the last 5 years?

I clearly stated it is my take that he didn’t speak to any current players except Atkinson.
- furio16

I don't have any specific information that points to that he did. I just believe that a coach would want more than one perspective. That's speculation for sure. I'm aware of what your take is but you don't have any more of a basis for believing that than I do the opposite. Atkinson has only been here for one season so how does the last 5 year standard come in?

Didn’t get indicate one player can; he was part of that problem. To dismiss it or say otherwise is false.

Well he has not always showed up ready to play. He has played uninspired at times.

I offered Several items that are concrete. You are choosing to ignore them. He was the captain. He was part of the team. Therefore to absolve him for the slow starts and the other stuff is wrong. He shoulders some of that blame.
- furio16

Lol, no you didn't offer anything even remotely concrete. In fact you're like pretty much every Giroux detractor who wants to blame him for what went on. You can't provide a single thing on a factual basis that points to Giroux being part of the problem. Other than simply being present. I disagree that he has had issues being ready to play or played uninspired. Even playing through injury and not being 100% he gave his all. Put the team on his back.

You made my case for me by stating he was a part of the team the Captain. Just by being there, he was responsible. Meanwhile, you ignore everything he did while he was there. You don't have anything to make your case and show why it is false.

I don't have any specific information that points to that he did. I just believe that a coach would want more than one perspective. That's speculation for sure. I'm aware of what your take is but you don't have any more of a basis for believing that than I do the opposite. Atkinson has only been here for one season so how does the last 5 year standard come in?
- MJL

5 years was just a random number. How many years you want to go back? So what former players do you think he was close to that he may have reached out to?

Doesn’t matter if he was here for 2 months. He clearly recognized it was an issue based on the comments he has made in the past.

Lol, no you didn't offer anything even remotely concrete. In fact you're like pretty much every Giroux detractor who wants to blame him for what went on. You can't provide a single thing on a factual basis that points to Giroux being part of the problem. Other than simply being present. I disagree that he has had issues being ready to play or played uninspired. Even playing through injury and not being 100% he gave his all. Put the team on his back.

You made my case for me by stating he was a part of the team the Captain. Just by being there, he was responsible. Meanwhile, you ignore everything he did while he was there. You don't have anything to make your case and show why it is false.
- MJL

He was part of the slow starts. To say otherwise Is false. He was in charge. The captain. A team goes as their captain goes; or do you not believe that aspect? Where am I blaming him?

Not ignoring anything. As clearly said it isn’t about his talent.

5 years was just a random number. How many years you want to go back? So what former players do you think he was close to that he may have reached out to?

Doesn’t matter if he was here for 2 months. He clearly recognized it was an issue based on the comments he has made in the past.
- furio16

We've both stipulated that he most likely talked to Atkinson. As far as who else, neither of us can factually talk to that so it's just speculation. Pointless to continue debate on that matter in my opinion.

We've both stipulated that he most likely talked to Atkinson. As far as who else, neither of us can factually talk to that so it's just speculation. Pointless to continue debate on that matter in my opinion.
- MJL

So based on comments Atkinson has made, do you believe there were locker room or other issues?

He was part of the slow starts. To say otherwise Is false. He was in charge. The captain. A team goes as their captain goes; or do you not believe that aspect? Where am I blaming him?

Not ignoring anything. As clearly said it isn’t about his talent.
- furio16

He was in charge is really not a well thought out statement. The coach is who is actually in charge during games. Your statement that as a captain goes, the team goes is also not true. If it was the team would've been going as he did on his way to being one of the best players in franchise history. 2nd overall in points. First in PP points and a border line Hall of Fame career that is just missing team success from being a lock for that. Multiple top 5 finishes in Hart trophy voting. 80-100 point seasons.We know that during slow start games, while the rest of the team was being outplayed, we can look and see statistically how Giroux and his line is either holding their own or winning the possession battle. Shot's generated battle, scoring chances, etc. This is what we know for a fact. This is what you've ignored. The facts. This went on for most of his career. What factually do you have? Nothing.

You have not and can't make a case for your premise. You just randomly label if false with nothing to support that.

So based on comments Atkinson has made, do you believe there were locker room or other issues?
- furio16

As I stated previously. I don't believe that locker room issues were the cause of the team's poor season. I believe that it was due to coaching, injuries and lack of talent. Any frustration or negative emotions was created from that and is a symptom, not a cause of the issues plaguing the team.

He was in charge is really not a well thought out statement. The coach is who is actually in charge during games. Your statement that as a captain goes, the team goes is also not true. If it was the team would've been going as he did on his way to being one of the best players in franchise history. 2nd overall in points. First in PP points and a border line Hall of Fame career that is just missing team success from being a lock for that. Multiple top 5 finishes in Hart trophy voting. 80-100 point seasons.We know that during slow start games, while the rest of the team was being outplayed, we can look and see statistically how Giroux and his line is either holding their own or winning the possession battle. Shot's generated battle, scoring chances, etc. This is what we know for a fact. This is what you've ignored. The facts. This went on for most of his career. What factually do you have? Nothing.

You have not and can't make a case for your premise. You just randomly label if false with nothing to support that.
- MJL

Not a well thought out statement, as you like to say lol. Nothing by semantics. Is the captain supposed to be a bridge between the coach and team? Is he responsible for getting the coaches message across?

The facts are this, he is part of the reason for the slow starts and losing steaks.

So who do you put the blame/ fault or whatever other adjectives you want to use for all the slow starts and losing streaks on over the years? Since clearly you absolve Giroux 100%.

Keep proving my point for me, you imbecile
- THE BLACK HAND

No one on this planet can help you prove any of your points cause your points are so far off base there is actually no hope for you whatsoever. Now please go climb back under whatever rock you live under. Thanks so much for your cooperation in this matter you dill pickle!

As I stated previously. I don't believe that locker room issues were the cause of the team's poor season. I believe that it was due to coaching, injuries and lack of talent. Any frustration or negative emotions was created from that and is a symptom, not a cause of the issues plaguing the team.
- MJL

Wasn’t what I asked you.