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LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jun 25 @ 4:59 AM ET
Yo LA, you may find this a good listen. Over at Dobber they have a podcast with an LA beat writer talking about the squad hitting on most every subject, slotting, rookies, will they make trades to go for it and even Dcat is mentioned. https://dobberhockey.com/...es-kings-ft-andrew-knoll/
- Mr Ricochet


Thanks Rico, will give it a listen
LFS
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.08.2021

Jun 25 @ 7:16 AM ET
I am curious as to why when Ducharme was fired, Montreal passed over Richardson and hired St. Louis who had no coaching experience at any level except for his son’s youth hockey team.
- LAHawk

Hes french
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 25 @ 9:43 AM ET
Regarding the rift in New York between Panarin and Rangers GM Drury, let's hope there is no fire behind the smoke. What if Panarin wants out, but wants to stay in the NYC metro area? Maybe he names the Devils or the Islanders as his choice of destination? Would the Rangers trade him within the division? They could retain up to half his cap hit (5.8M) for the next 4 years. NJ may find the cost certainty of 5.8M for 4 years of Panarin more palatable than 1 year of Cat at 6.4M plus whatever he asks for after that. Would the Devils trade the 2OA plus a prospect for Panarin?
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:08 AM ET
Rangers columnist Arthur Staples reporting a possible rift between Artemi Panarin and general manager Chris Drury, postulating a possible trade request out of NY.
- Theo Fox


I could understand this better if Chris Drury in a practice went to check the bread man, and Drury watched him hesitate to venture close to a battle area.

I wasn't honing in on Panarin when I watched, but it seemed more than obvious he more willing to not delve into tough space (knowing the suspension of regular season rules were in place). I did think he was getting played a lot to just set up guys and take some shots without a commitment anywhere close to say Brandon Hagel?

No trade clause, but who takes that contract?
A team just looking for a name player to sell tickets and beer?
I just felt he wasn't engaged enough.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jun 25 @ 10:18 AM ET
Rico, we’ve discussed the advantages of College vs Major Junior vs minor junior vs US minor junior hockey for young kids. And I agree with you for the most part however the emergence of Cale Makar who played in Canadian minor junior before moving to UMass is making Canadian minor junior viable and legit
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 25 @ 10:32 AM ET
In his most recent article in the Athletic, Scott Powers reported that Caleb Jones is likely to re-sign with the Hawks.

Powers also stated that the organization is also interested in having Anders Sorensen be the permanent head coach of the Hogs.

If that's the case and Luke Richardson is the new Hawks head coach, where does that leave Derek King?

Doubt he would return to Rockford as an assistant swapping roles with Sorensen who was his assistant. Could King be one of Richardson's assistants?

- Theo Fox


Sorensen did a very good job in Rockford, probably better than King. I read that the Hawks gave permission to talk to other teams about coaching opportunities but would like to retain him in some capacity. I could see King being on of Richardson’s assistants, that makes sense.

I expected the Hawks to re-sign Caleb Jones. He’s a serviceable 3rd paring d-man or 7th d-man. Caleb can be re-signed for cheap too, maybe 2 years around $1.5 million AAV.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 25 @ 10:56 AM ET
Sorensen did a very good job in Rockford, probably better than King. I read that the Hawks gave permission to talk to other teams about coaching opportunities but would like to retain him in some capacity. I could see King being on of Richardson’s assistants, that makes sense.

I expected the Hawks to re-sign Caleb Jones. He’s a serviceable 3rd paring d-man or 7th d-man. Caleb can be re-signed for cheap too, maybe 2 years around $1.5 million AAV.

- DarthKane


Okay here's my conspiracy theory for the day. Richardson agreed to take on King as an assistant, but Huska wouldn't which it was why he didn't get the job.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 25 @ 11:45 AM ET
Rico, we’ve discussed the advantages of College vs Major Junior vs minor junior vs US minor junior hockey for young kids. And I agree with you for the most part however the emergence of Cale Makar who played in Canadian minor junior before moving to UMass is making Canadian minor junior viable and legit
- paulr


You look at Makar's Elite Prospect page and it shows he was drafted into Major Junior and Tier I USHL. The top Jr leagues in the world. He had elite options as far as path yet he/his family/advisor chose the AJHL of which I'd point out he was not drafted into.

Why? Following Jrs for awhile now I've learned the most important element for a 16/17 yr old entering jrs is fit. The Makar camp looked past the prestige of playing WHL or USHL, even the BCHL, for a lesser AJHL cuz they thought, and were proven correct, that the best fit for him was AJHL Brooks and that coaching staff/program which he chose as a free agent. He picked them specifically.

Makar is an absolutely fantastic example/model for kids coming up that you can become an elite NHL player coming up thru "lesser leagues". A prime example of the importance of fit and path.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 25 @ 1:12 PM ET
Okay here's my conspiracy theory for the day. Richardson agreed to take on King as an assistant, but Huska wouldn't which it was why he didn't get the job.
- boilermaker100



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vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jun 25 @ 2:16 PM ET
I could understand this better if Chris Drury in a practice went to check the bread man, and Drury watched him hesitate to venture close to a battle area.

I wasn't honing in on Panarin when I watched, but it seemed more than obvious he more willing to not delve into tough space (knowing the suspension of regular season rules were in place). I did think he was getting played a lot to just set up guys and take some shots without a commitment anywhere close to say Brandon Hagel?

No trade clause, but who takes that contract?
A team just looking for a name player to sell tickets and beer?
I just felt he wasn't engaged enough.

- wiz1901


You mean like the one playoff series he had when he was here?

Be Careful not to pay 10mil + for a regular season player........
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 25 @ 2:22 PM ET
You can rebuild a team via the draft, but it's by no means a sure thing. A lot of teams get good picks and don't find the gems in the draft. The Hawks had a real mess top to bottom last year and they need to turn the team into an organization people want to play for again. A good coach is absolutely necessary and I hope they made a good choice. KD needs to make sure if he moves someone like DeBrincat, it's a deal you can't pass up. It's a trade that has the potential to really blow up in the Hawks face and trading him doesn't guarantee a ROI.

More important than trading away everyone in a fire sale is improving the scouting and development. Get the most each pick and make smart trades to give the team a good pool of prospects. Without good drafting and development, you can tank for picks but unlikely to get over the hump after the painful seasons tanking.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

Jun 25 @ 2:35 PM ET
Regarding the rift in New York between Panarin and Rangers GM Drury, let's hope there is no fire behind the smoke. What if Panarin wants out, but wants to stay in the NYC metro area? Maybe he names the Devils or the Islanders as his choice of destination? Would the Rangers trade him within the division? They could retain up to half his cap hit (5.8M) for the next 4 years. NJ may find the cost certainty of 5.8M for 4 years of Panarin more palatable than 1 year of Cat at 6.4M plus whatever he asks for after that. Would the Devils trade the 2OA plus a prospect for Panarin?
- boilermaker100

The Rangers wouldn't retain salary and would never do it for a division and area rival so this isn't worth worrying about
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jun 25 @ 4:56 PM ET
Okay here's my conspiracy theory for the day. Richardson agreed to take on King as an assistant, but Huska wouldn't which it was why he didn't get the job.
- boilermaker100

If KD's not hiring King as a head coach he's sure as hell not forcing him on somebody as an assistant coach. I mean what's he an expert at? KD kept him around for player evaluation more than anything I would think...
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jun 25 @ 5:05 PM ET
If KD's not hiring King as a head coach he's sure as hell not forcing him on somebody as an assistant coach. I mean what's he an expert at? KD kept him around for player evaluation more than anything I would think...
- rpeters01

3/4 king had to improve some things and didn't really do anything. Dach regressed the same defensive problems that existed before he took didn't not improve maybe a little better in the netrual zone but in their own zone was a disaster. Imo
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jun 25 @ 5:22 PM ET
You can rebuild a team via the draft, but it's by no means a sure thing. A lot of teams get good picks and don't find the gems in the draft. The Hawks had a real mess top to bottom last year and they need to turn the team into an organization people want to play for again. A good coach is absolutely necessary and I hope they made a good choice. KD needs to make sure if he moves someone like DeBrincat, it's a deal you can't pass up. It's a trade that has the potential to really blow up in the Hawks face and trading him doesn't guarantee a ROI.

More important than trading away everyone in a fire sale is improving the scouting and development. Get the most each pick and make smart trades to give the team a good pool of prospects. Without good drafting and development, you can tank for picks but unlikely to get over the hump after the painful seasons tanking.

- breadbag

No sure thing in life except that everything changes .And change is long over due around here . I don't relish the idea of trading a player like DBC ,but his new contract timing is just off if your going into a full on rebuild ,Seth Jones is in that boat also put that is another story . So moving DBC for NJ 2nd overall and another pick and prospect would be nice ,if Montreal ever past on Wright and they may it would be a steal for the Hawks . Then the other Dominoes start falling Kane wants out ok no problem deal him to the Rangers for a tidy sum ,he will always be a Hawk . Toews don't know what happens there maybe noting . Maybe you could fleece the Leafs and send them Jones for Nylander and Holt they they are desperate, then flip Nylander at TDL to play against them oh would that be fun lol. Oh well fun to dream . Really don't mind Seth but again his timing is wrong for this rebuild . If we got that 2nd pick I would go a little off the board if Wright was not available and grab that Geekie kid need size .
Anyway I think KD if off to very good start with the Hagel (really like that kid ) trade and the coaching change .Just the start of a long road back to the top .GO HAWKS !!!!
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jun 25 @ 8:29 PM ET
You can rebuild a team via the draft, but it's by no means a sure thing. A lot of teams get good picks and don't find the gems in the draft. The Hawks had a real mess top to bottom last year and they need to turn the team into an organization people want to play for again. A good coach is absolutely necessary and I hope they made a good choice. KD needs to make sure if he moves someone like DeBrincat, it's a deal you can't pass up. It's a trade that has the potential to really blow up in the Hawks face and trading him doesn't guarantee a ROI.

More important than trading away everyone in a fire sale is improving the scouting and development. Get the most each pick and make smart trades to give the team a good pool of prospects. Without good drafting and development, you can tank for picks but unlikely to get over the hump after the painful seasons tanking.

- breadbag

Not can…you must build through the draft. It’s the only way. Even if you supplement big time through trades and free agent signings, the foundation of your team must come through the draft. The salary cap has ended the days of buying a contender.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jun 25 @ 8:47 PM ET
Not can…you must build through the draft. It’s the only way. Even if you supplement big time through trades and free agent signings, the foundation of your team must come through the draft. The salary cap has ended the days of buying a contender.
- Ogilthorpe2

Even before the cap, championship teams, for the most part, were built through the draft.
SC116
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.29.2015

Jun 26 @ 5:56 AM ET
Not can…you must build through the draft. It’s the only way. Even if you supplement big time through trades and free agent signings, the foundation of your team must come through the draft. The salary cap has ended the days of buying a contender.
- Ogilthorpe2


While this might sound stupid- I don't actually disagree with you on this, I just don't believe it can happen in just one or two drafts.

Basically I didn't get the idea (probably others had posted) of just dumping any assets right now in favor of loading up for this year and next. I certainly don't get the attraction that re-obtaining a top 10 draft choice this season has. Yeh ok if it is the number 2 - maybe, but I wouldn't go too far out of the way to try for it. Mainly because, they won't just give it away -and would it really be worth it? Dunno... am assuming not.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jun 26 @ 9:01 AM ET
While this might sound stupid- I don't actually disagree with you on this, I just don't believe it can happen in just one or two drafts.

Basically I didn't get the idea (probably others had posted) of just dumping any assets right now in favor of loading up for this year and next. I certainly don't get the attraction that re-obtaining a top 10 draft choice this season has. Yeh ok if it is the number 2 - maybe, but I wouldn't go too far out of the way to try for it. Mainly because, they won't just give it away -and would it really be worth it? Dunno... am assuming not.

- SC116


Most Everyone likes shiny new toys. Some are resistant to change. Kind of explains the varying opinions in the BOD on how the Hawks move forward.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 26 @ 10:30 AM ET
https://people.com/sports...ing-friends-ashes-on-ice/

What a good friend
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 26 @ 11:02 AM ET
Lots of ways the rebuild could play out beginning in the next two weeks.

If KD trades Debrincat before the July 8-9 draft for the futures he wants, the rebuild gets off to a big start. Will trading Cat have a snowball effect resulting in Kane and/or Toews wanting out? If so, more futures could be added this summer.

If Debrincat remains a Hawk along with Kane and Toews, 2nd tier players (Murphy, McCabe, Kubalik, Strome) could be moved this summer probably returning less valuable pieces.

With or without a Debrincat trade, draft capital and prospects could be added by taking on a couple of bad contracts. (But without Cat the Hawks do have another 6.4M this season, plus say 9M in future years to leverage.)

Whatever path Davidson takes, many of the pieces won't be in place for several years. As the Hawks obtain some decent picks and prospects along the way, give them time to mature in college, the juniors, or the AHL, instead of rushing them to the NHL ala Boqvist and Dach.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 26 @ 11:44 AM ET
https://people.com/sports/colorado-avalanche-fan-banned-hockey-games-scattering-friends-ashes-on-ice/

What a good friend

- BetweenTheDots


Nice story, but I think the Avs banning him from the arena goes too far.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Jun 26 @ 11:53 AM ET
Most Everyone likes shiny new toys. Some are resistant to change. Kind of explains the varying opinions in the BOD on how the Hawks move forward.
- LAHawk

There are three things for sure in life, death, taxes, and change. I’m a proponent of change as long as the process has a well thought out plan, not just change for the sake of change.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 26 @ 1:49 PM ET
The ice is bad and the next game wait is until Tuesday. Why must they wait so long between games?

Sure players have longer to rest and heal
Or at least improve a bit from playing through bumps and bruises etc sl. But is it right to have so much time off between games. I would rather have the season end already and have a longer summer vacation.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jun 26 @ 1:56 PM ET
The ice is bad and the next game wait is until Tuesday. Why must they wait so long between games?

Sure players have longer to rest and heal
Or at least improve a bit from playing through bumps and bruises etc sl. But is it right to have so much time off between games. I would rather have the season end already and have a longer summer vacation.

- jhawk59


It is all dependent on when ABC wants to air the games.
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