So the NHL puts the blame squarely on the stripes for allowing the illegal line change on the winning OT goal, which is true because the play is not reviewable. Unfortunately the line change wasn't even close, the stripes (all 4 of them) blew it.
- LAHawk

Seems kind of arbitrary what is or isn't reviewable. The NHL is horrid. The officiating in the 3rd period was a free for all. There was a boarding and an innumerable amount of interference they could have (and should have) called.

That being said, Tampa certainly had opportunities to put the game away and they were not able to do that.

Seems kind of arbitrary what is or isn't reviewable. The NHL is horrid. The officiating in the 3rd period was a free for all. There was a boarding and an innumerable amount of interference they could have (and should have) called.

That being said, Tampa certainly had opportunities to put the game away and they were not able to do that.
- fattybeef

True Kuemper stood tall. Cernak being injured, Hedman, McDonough and Shergachev, and Bogsian are going to have to do their version of the 2015 Hawk fourhorseman defense.

With every word I type I increase the chances of confusing the reader and myself about a very confusing topic so I'll keep it short. On Commesso not being at WJC Evaluation Camp.

He has not aged out, period. He's eligible to play in the WJC. Asked around to those who know and Chris Peters who worked for the USA Program for yrs responded when I asked has Commesso aged out. He said no but he doesn't know why he's not at camp but is diggin into it.

Chris Peters
@chrismpeters
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Hasn't aged out. Trying to determine an official reason.
- Mr Ricochet

and here, I thought I figured it out when I rad this:
Colloquially known as the World Junior Hockey Championship, the event was structured after the World Championships, but limited to players under the age of 20, b ut

A player is eligible to play in the World Junior Ice Hockey Championships if:
the player is of male gender;
the player has his 20th birthday in the year of the tournament's ending (i.e. 1994 for 2014 tournament), and at latest, the fifth year after the tournament's ending (i.e. 1999 for 2014 tournament);

and here, I thought I figured it out when I rad this:
Colloquially known as the World Junior Hockey Championship, the event was structured after the World Championships, but limited to players under the age of 20, b ut

A player is eligible to play in the World Junior Ice Hockey Championships if:
the player is of male gender;
the player has his 20th birthday in the year of the tournament's ending (i.e. 1994 for 2014 tournament), and at latest, the fifth year after the tournament's ending (i.e. 1999 for 2014 tournament);
- wiz1901

That is some kind of joke right? Today's society is all about removing gender.

Kinda funny...

The Blackhawsk first two picks, #38 & #57 have combined draft pick value that totals the 24th overall pick.

That selection is held by Minnesota Wild but offered it up as sweetener in the Marc-Andre Fleury tarde as one earmarked the Chicago IF they had won their last playoff series and gone to the conference final.

Does that mean it is possibly still in play for the Blackhawks two second rounders?

I am not so sure that Kyle Davidson wants to cut off his nose to spite your face giving two chances up for one.

That is some kind of joke right? Today's society is all about removing gender.
- powerenforcer

HUH?

That is straight from the International Federation tournament rules.

You are the king of the time and energy the Chicago franchise is using on tick tock and other places to explain all their new female hirings...I don't think any are related to the Kyle beach incident, as new organizational changes that assure this type thing doesn't happen again...

Kinda funny...

The Blackhawsk first two picks, #38 & #57 have combined draft pick value that totals the 24th overall pick.

That selection is held by Minnesota Wild but offered it up as sweetener in the Marc-Andre Fleury tarde as one earmarked the Chicago IF they had won their last playoff series and gone to the conference final.

Does that mean it is possibly still in play for the Blackhawks two second rounders?

I am not so sure that Kyle Davidson wants to cut off his nose to spite your face giving two chances up for one.
- wiz1901

I think, for this year especially, having quantity to throw as much crap on the wall as possible is the plan.

Seems kind of arbitrary what is or isn't reviewable. The NHL is horrid. The officiating in the 3rd period was a free for all. There was a boarding and an innumerable amount of interference they could have (and should have) called.

That being said, Tampa certainly had opportunities to put the game away and they were not able to do that.
- fattybeef

I agree, i think the bigger factor was Cernak getting hurt and Sergachev had no legs from all the minutes he had to play to defend Kadri in that moment.

Both Kane and Toews have valid points in their comments. It's a thin margin between winning and losing and the right moves can change things quickly. It's no question that the Hawks did not get the performance from the young guys they need to be successful.

We see it on almost every successful NHL team, the younger players come in and play above their pay grade or exceed expectations to put them over the top. The future of this team has less to do about Toews/Kane & Jones and more to do with young guys Dach, Reichel, Strome, Borgstrom, Kurashev, Raddysh, Katchouk Kalynuk, Mitchell, Vlasic, Allen, etc...

They don't need to find every piece from the draft but if they can land a few gems, they have enough to build around. I'm still willing to bet we'll see Kane/Toews/Debrincat/Jones with the team to start the season.

Are the Hawks going to sign Jaylen Lupien to an ELC?

I agree, i think the bigger factor was Cernak getting hurt and Sergachev had no legs from all the minutes he had to play to defend Kadri in that moment.
- BetweenTheDots

And honestly, if you face facts there is so much interference that is n on-calls in the playoffs, as the late contact, and bullying of uninterested combatants after net front whistles, and I have too believe that the rule of too many men was instituted to avoid having the 6th man along with the 5th that is going off don't aid in a scoring play while they are in the middle zone.

It wasn't like the two "guilty av players where in anyway involved in Cadre's tremendous attempt.

Sure, it is was to argue the rule is the rule, but...

Jon Cooper's after the game presser was a white flag whine, ..."after the all the work Is ee my guys put in..."
is sour grapes.

You can always find human error in officiating.

Are the Hawks going to sign Jaylen Lupien to an ELC?
- LAHawk

I think they are...

Both Kane and Toews have valid points in their comments. It's a thin margin between winning and losing and the right moves can change things quickly. It's no question that the Hawks did not get the performance from the young guys they need to be successful.

We see it on almost every successful NHL team, the younger players come in and play above their pay grade or exceed expectations to put them over the top. The future of this team has less to do about Toews/Kane & Jones and more to do with young guys Dach, Reichel, Strome, Borgstrom, Kurashev, Raddysh, Katchouk Kalynuk, Mitchell, Vlasic, Allen, etc...

They don't need to find every piece from the draft but if they can land a few gems, they have enough to build around. I'm still willing to bet we'll see Kane/Toews/Debrincat/Jones with the team to start the season.
- breadbag

The point is the young guys they have aren't good enough to help them succeed moving forward.

Also - as this playoffs is proving yet again is that strength down the middle is extremely important. Toews is no longer a top player, Dach hasn't proven anything and zee German was banished to north central Illinois for the season (looking great just like Tomas Jurco and until he proves anything in the NHL that's all he is).

Sometimes you get a late pick like a Pavelski or get lucky with a rare late bloomer like a Patrick Sharp but for the most part - those quality pieces you build around are drafted in the top half of the first round and you know they're good from the start.

Other than Debrincat and Jones - they have no build around pieces under 34 and that is a problem if they want to build the next group that can compete for more than a handful of seasons.

The point is the young guys they have aren't good enough to help them succeed moving forward.

Also - as this playoffs is proving yet again is that strength down the middle is extremely important. Toews is no longer a top player, Dach hasn't proven anything and zee German was banished to north central Illinois for the season (looking great just like Tomas Jurco and until he proves anything in the NHL that's all he is).

Sometimes you get a late pick like a Pavelski or get lucky with a rare late bloomer like a Patrick Sharp but for the most part - those quality pieces you build around are drafted in the top half of the first round and you know they're good from the start.

Other than Debrincat and Jones - they have no build around pieces under 34 and that is a problem if they want to build the next group that can compete for more than a handful of seasons.
- fattybeef

Well the young guys aren't good enough yet. It's one thing to come in as Boqvist and be the 2nd best dman on the team, it's another to be Byram and be the worst defender on the team. Byram in his own end without the puck woof woof

Well the young guys aren't good enough yet. It's one thing to come in as Boqvist and be the 2nd best dman on the team, it's another to be Byram and be the worst defender on the team. Byram in his own end without the puck woof woof
- BetweenTheDots

No they aren't good enough.

Byram looks like a NHL player. Typically it takes about 3 years of NHL hockey for the younger players to start to reach their potential.

He certainly wouldn't have played a comparable amount of 5v5 time as Makar or Toews if he was the worst defender on the team. In fact, Byram has been out there for more 5v5 minutes than Makar over the 5 games of the finals.

At less than 50 NHL games played - that is pretty pretty good. Certainly several levels ahead of anything the Hawks have in their system which further highlights the talent problem I mentioned in my last post.

Seems kind of arbitrary what is or isn't reviewable. The NHL is horrid. The officiating in the 3rd period was a free for all. There was a boarding and an innumerable amount of interference they could have (and should have) called.

That being said, Tampa certainly had opportunities to put the game away and they were not able to do that.
- fattybeef

Didn’t the Hawks lose a game 7 in OT on an offside non call?

Cooper, whom I like, is whining.

It is what it is.

TB lost, get ready for the next game.

Exhale.

Kinda funny...

The Blackhawsk first two picks, #38 & #57 have combined draft pick value that totals the 24th overall pick.

That selection is held by Minnesota Wild but offered it up as sweetener in the Marc-Andre Fleury tarde as one earmarked the Chicago IF they had won their last playoff series and gone to the conference final.

Does that mean it is possibly still in play for the Blackhawks two second rounders?

I am not so sure that Kyle Davidson wants to cut off his nose to spite your face giving two chances up for one.
- wiz1901

I’d keep picks 38 and 57, I don’t think the gap in talent between 24 and 38 is significant enough to give up another be round pick. I’d do 38 and 81 for 24.

Are the Hawks going to sign Jaylen Lupien to an ELC?
- LAHawk

I hope so, he’s been impressive for the Oil Kings. He’s been a great surprise for the #216 pick last draft. Lupien may be the best thing to come out of the Borgstrom deal with Florida.

Both Kane and Toews have valid points in their comments. It's a thin margin between winning and losing and the right moves can change things quickly. It's no question that the Hawks did not get the performance from the young guys they need to be successful.

We see it on almost every successful NHL team, the younger players come in and play above their pay grade or exceed expectations to put them over the top. The future of this team has less to do about Toews/Kane & Jones and more to do with young guys Dach, Reichel, Strome, Borgstrom, Kurashev, Raddysh, Katchouk Kalynuk, Mitchell, Vlasic, Allen, etc...

They don't need to find every piece from the draft but if they can land a few gems, they have enough to build around. I'm still willing to bet we'll see Kane/Toews/Debrincat/Jones with the team to start the season.
- breadbag

There's a huge difference between sucking with the needle pointing down than the needle pointing up. Unfortunately, we do not seem to be loaded with young talent getting their chops wet.

And honestly, if you face facts there is so much interference that is n on-calls in the playoffs, as the late contact, and bullying of uninterested combatants after net front whistles, and I have too believe that the rule of too many men was instituted to avoid having the 6th man along with the 5th that is going off don't aid in a scoring play while they are in the middle zone.

It wasn't like the two "guilty av players where in anyway involved in Cadre's tremendous attempt.

Sure, it is was to argue the rule is the rule, but...

Jon Cooper's after the game presser was a white flag whine, ..."after the all the work Is ee my guys put in..."
is sour grapes.

You can always find human error in officiating.
- wiz1901

Kadri reminds me of Jim Pappin. Not pretty gets it done.

I’d keep picks 38 and 57, I don’t think the gap in talent between 24 and 38 is significant enough to give up another 2nd round pick. I’d do 38 and 81 for 24.
- DarthKane

No I actually do not either.
In my own rankings there are many guys I think are over-rated that WILL get taken before pick #38, so think you stand pat.

My only concerns is that the best players available at #38 and #57 will. not be forwards.

The defenseman part of the first round is composed by maybe FOUR strong candidates who probably will play nice roles in the pros, but after that there is more than a dozen or so, who are at this juncture, not anything but projections if this or that happens in their development.
And I guess I see a few teams in that mid/late first and top of the second who may have to roll the dice when they select a demean as a position of need in their pool.

You never know.

There's a huge difference between sucking with the needle pointing down than the needle pointing up. Unfortunately, we do not seem to be loaded with young talent getting their chops wet.
- rpeters01

I am not sure if the forwards in our prospect pool from this past year who got their chops wet had big jumps that solidify a higher success rate.

No they aren't good enough.

Byram looks like a NHL player. Typically it takes about 3 years of NHL hockey for the younger players to start to reach their potential.

He certainly wouldn't have played a comparable amount of 5v5 time as Makar or Toews if he was the worst defender on the team. In fact, Byram has been out there for more 5v5 minutes than Makar over the 5 games of the finals.

At less than 50 NHL games played - that is pretty pretty good. Certainly several levels ahead of anything the Hawks have in their system which further highlights the talent problem I mentioned in my last post.
- fattybeef

Just think how good Seth Jones would look with that Avs group, holy poop. Bowen is pretty bad in his own end, fortunately because of his team mates and to him to some degree he doesn't have to.

Also JC imo was hurting the development of the young Hawks rather than helping. I have no issue with King staying on i think he's good for the kids. If you can't get the players to even understand what you want them to do how are they going to develop. Even though they started out 1-12 they seemed to play better as a unit once King took over problem is they struggled with consistency but to me that's just being young and not a pro yet.

I went from 80's to 70's golfer because i finally found someone who knew exactly what i was doing wrong when many others didn't. It took him less than 15 minutes

Just think how good Seth Jones would look with that Avs group, holy poop. Bowen is pretty bad in his own end, fortunately because of his team mates and to him to some degree he doesn't have to.

Also JC imo was hurting the development of the young Hawks rather than helping. I have no issue with King staying on i think he's good for the kids. If you can't get the players to even understand what you want them to do how are they going to develop. Even though they started out 1-12 they seemed to play better as a unit once King took over problem is they struggled with consistency but to me that's just being young and not a pro yet.

I went from 80's to 70's golfer because i finally found someone who knew exactly what i was doing wrong when many others didn't. It took him less than 15 minutes
- BetweenTheDots

He told you to put on bell bottoms?

He told you to put on bell bottoms?

- Chunk

That's right he said the boot cut isn't working for you anymore, haha