too bad hes pushing that car into Carter Hart
- THE BLACK HAND

LOL!!

I ask myself why as well. His "specialty". everyone you do amaze me. I enjoy it.

The Saint failed did he not? so would you replicate that same process?
flyers cap situation for a bottom 5 team blows.

their young core is average. When are you going to except that pretty much every team has the type of prospects the flyers have, many have better.

Fletcher will no doubt do something dumb and try as hell for a big "fish".
- hello it's me 2050

I’m at a loss to what Fletcher will or won’t do. I wasn’t a great fan of Hextall’s long drawn out trip to mediocracy but Fletcher hasn’t exactly built upon what Hexy did leave him. Apparently I’m one of the few that likes the Tort’s hire, just because I know he will bring structure and accountability. When we see this group in a different setting hopefully we will see exactly what they have.

I ask myself why as well. His "specialty". everyone you do amaze me. I enjoy it.

The Saint failed did he not? so would you replicate that same process?
flyers cap situation for a bottom 5 team blows.

their young core is average. When are you going to except that pretty much every team has the type of prospects the flyers have, many have better.

Fletcher will no doubt do something dumb and try as hell for a big "fish".
- hello it's me 2050

And if Fletcher does something dumb like this I will be the first to post it. I wonder if you will be the first to compliment Fletcher if he doesn't do something dumb?

Yes, and I am also looking to some of the young players coming up to be a hit also. I expect York to be a top 4 defenseman and develop into a top 2 defenseman. I am hoping 1 or 2 of Brink, Tippet and Frost develop into a top 6 forward, and would like to see Foerster and Wisdom take the next step in their development. It does not always have to come from the top of the draft. Kucherov was a 2nd round pick, Point was a 3rd round pick. Pastrnak was picked around the same spot as Konecny. The Flyers need some similar luck as well.
- jd250

You’re EXPECTING York to develop into top 2 dman? Why? This is why you don’t will never understand how to BUILD a team that actually legitimately is a cup contender.

York was never projected or thought of as a top 2 dman. Never. He’s always been projected as a very good pp qb that can usually hold his own defensively and still developing. He’s always been projected as 3/4 dman pp qb.

Could he develop more and possibly reach top 2? Like a mcavoy? Yes it’s possible. And that would be great.

BUT YOU DONT EXPECT IT.

If you draft players EXPECTING the absolute amazing ceiling definitely gonna be disappointed most of the time and you’ll never win.

Example : philly traded down and got extra pick (brink) after passing on caulfield and ok can live with that. I think philly over valued York personally but I can at least see yeah you got a York and brink 2 pieces but once caulfield was still there they should’ve taken caulfield instead of York. Caulfield projected as a high goal scorer very good chance to be top line winger that scores (debrincat) compared to ppqb3/4dman.

These type moves over a few years leaves your team hoping for some miracle ceiling to have top talent let alone elite talent.

Over time you wind up with a good roster and maybe even playoff worthy but NEVER cup contender.

Middling. Status quo. Profit driven. Just enough to keep the fans there.

You have to draft and develop with success in the cap era. You can’t over pay FA’s. The Flyers haven’t done a very job at this and are where they are because of it. They had there shot at a number 2 in the draft and failed …they have # 5 this year and really need to come away with a winner. Their over all inability to add young cheap skilled talent continues to haunt this team.
- landros 2

The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem. Fletcher has come out this past season and done just that. Fletcher has admitted he does not have the right personnel on the power play. He has admitted the organization has not done a good job developing players. He has admitted the organization needed an overhaul in their medical staff and analytics departments. Fletcher and Flahr have a strong track record in drafting good players. Now we have to hope that with these public admissions the Flyers will improve in player development and start to see the impact from the younger players.

Yes, and I am also looking to some of the young players coming up to be a hit also. I expect York to be a top 4 defenseman and develop into a top 2 defenseman. I am hoping 1 or 2 of Brink, Tippet and Frost develop into a top 6 forward, and would like to see Foerster and Wisdom take the next step in their development. It does not always have to come from the top of the draft. Kucherov was a 2nd round pick, Point was a 3rd round pick. Pastrnak was picked around the same spot as Konecny. The Flyers need some similar luck as well.
- jd250

With the flyers tracj record I expect very little of what your suggesting will happen.

I can see Tippet being moved mid season.

Yes, and I am also looking to some of the young players coming up to be a hit also. I expect York to be a top 4 defenseman and develop into a top 2 defenseman. I am hoping 1 or 2 of Brink, Tippet and Frost develop into a top 6 forward, and would like to see Foerster and Wisdom take the next step in their development. It does not always have to come from the top of the draft. Kucherov was a 2nd round pick, Point was a 3rd round pick. Pastrnak was picked around the same spot as Konecny. The Flyers need some similar luck as well.
- jd250

I’m a little concerned they haven’t signed JOB as well. Yes he’s had trouble staying healthy but appears to have decent skill and decent skating as well as being a 1rst rnd pick. Can the Flyers really afford not to give this kid a shot? Talk about miss managing an asset. I can see that Mclennon kid on the Winnipeg ice not getting signed but that was a late rnd Flyer type of pick. JOB is a different skill level.

The thing with RR is that he’s not that bad. I do think he can be more consistent and I also think he can provide more offence, (As he has 4 -40 plus point seasons already) then he did last year. This notion that he didn’t create any meaningful results with his physical play is a complete fallacy. Some posters want to point to all his faults but not acknowledge his many above average qualities. I could talk about every Flyers d man and their weaknesses but that’s just a waist of time for the most part…we know Sanheim is not physical enough, we know Provy had issues last year, we know Yandle was not anywhere close to being good enough to play every night.
Did Flyers over pay for RR ? Ya maybe, but that’s more on Fletcher the RR. At his current salary I will let him play this year and see if he earns it. Bottom line is RR has been in the top 4 of his teams d core every single year he’s played in the NHL…warts and all.
- landros 2

Exactly. Part of the reason all those teams have been bad defensively.

The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem. Fletcher has come out this past season and done just that. Fletcher has admitted he does not have the right personnel on the power play. He has admitted the organization has not done a good job developing players. He has admitted the organization needed an overhaul in their medical staff and analytics departments. Fletcher and Flahr have a strong track record in drafting good players. Now we have to hope that with these public admissions the Flyers will improve in player development and start to see the impact from the younger players.
- jd250

Easy to admit the truth I guess. Fletcher and Flahr have drafted some decent players but that’s only part of his job. He needs to do a much better job over all if he is to be successful here and keep his job.

And if Fletcher does something dumb like this I will be the first to post it. I wonder if you will be the first to compliment Fletcher if he doesn't do something dumb?
- jd250

he already has

You’re EXPECTING York to develop into top 2 dman? Why? This is why you don’t will never understand how to BUILD a team that actually legitimately is a cup contender.

York was never projected or thought of as a top 2 dman. Never. He’s always been projected as a very good pp qb that can usually hold his own defensively and still developing. He’s always been projected as 3/4 dman pp qb.

Could he develop more and possibly reach top 2? Like a mcavoy? Yes it’s possible. And that would be great.

BUT YOU DONT EXPECT IT.

If you draft players EXPECTING the absolute amazing ceiling definitely gonna be disappointed most of the time and you’ll never win.

Example : philly traded down and got extra pick (brink) after passing on caulfield and ok can live with that. I think philly over valued York personally but I can at least see yeah you got a York and brink 2 pieces but once caulfield was still there they should’ve taken caulfield instead of York. Caulfield projected as a high goal scorer very good chance to be top line winger that scores (debrincat) compared to ppqb3/4dman.

These type moves over a few years leaves your team hoping for some miracle ceiling to have top talent let alone elite talent.

Over time you wind up with a good roster and maybe even playoff worthy but NEVER cup contender.

Middling. Status quo. Profit driven. Just enough to keep the fans there.
- Stayin alive

I'm not sold on Caufield but he has shown promise with the coaching change so we will see how it goes for him. I was not expecting York to be a top pairing defenseman when he was drafted either, but after watching him this past season, my expectations for him have increased. I get to see McAvoy play a lot in Boston since I live here, and he is a good all around defenseman, but not worth the contract he just signed. I think after watching York that he can also be as good as McAvoy, which is why I think York can be top pairing in this league.

I’m at a loss to what Fletcher will or won’t do. I wasn’t a great fan of Hextall’s long drawn out trip to mediocracy but Fletcher hasn’t exactly built upon what Hexy did leave him. Apparently I’m one of the few that likes the Tort’s hire, just because I know he will bring structure and accountability. When we see this group in a different setting hopefully we will see exactly what they have.
- landros 2

Believe it when I see as these players are the main issue. The players run the show in 2022. They can easily turn the tables on Torts if need be, wouldn't be the first time with this group that is still left.

And if Fletcher does something dumb like this I will be the first to post it. I wonder if you will be the first to compliment Fletcher if he doesn't do something dumb?
- jd250

Have complimented him the past.

What is his specialty? Trying to figure that out as imo it is mediocrity.

Easy to admit the truth I guess. Fletcher and Flahr have drafted some decent players but that’s only part of his job. He needs to do a much better job over all if he is to be successful here and keep his job.
- landros 2

Yes, this off season is critical for Fletcher. He needs to hit on the top 5 pick. Torts has got to be the right coach. Young players have to develop and show much more NHL potential, and the team overall has to take a step in the right direction this upcoming season. If not, I don't see Fletcher surviving here, and rightly so to be honest. Results matter!

The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem. Fletcher has come out this past season and done just that. Fletcher has admitted he does not have the right personnel on the power play. He has admitted the organization has not done a good job developing players. He has admitted the organization needed an overhaul in their medical staff and analytics departments. Fletcher and Flahr have a strong track record in drafting good players. Now we have to hope that with these public admissions the Flyers will improve in player development and start to see the impact from the younger players.
- jd250

All about action not lame ass words Chuck uses. He ha s been here almost 4 years and there has been little to no improvement under his watch.

Strong draft record is very debatable. What have they done outside the top 2 rounds? Lets start there.

Development and he still keeps Lappy around. Do you think it might be wise to maybe bring in a guy who is say a Torts protégé to coach the Phantoms so you get everyone on the same page? Then you groom him as a potential future nhl coach.

Believe it when I see as these players are the main issue. The players run the show in 2022. They can easily turn the tables on Torts if need be, wouldn't be the first time with this group that is still left.
- hello it's me 2050

Guys that don’t buy in will be miserable. That’s the Tort’s legacy he leaves every where he goes. Guys that work hard and play to his system love the guy because he holds the ones that don’t accountable. I don’t care what “identity” they have as long as the have one. Fast, skilled and tough would be preferred as that’s what win’s but they need to add some different horses to get there.

Guys that don’t buy in will be miserable. That’s the Tort’s legacy he leaves every where he goes. Guys that work hard and play to his system love the guy because he holds the ones that don’t accountable. I don’t care what “identity” they have as long as the have one. Fast, skilled and tough would be preferred as that’s what win’s but they need to add some different horses to get there.
- landros 2

Yes they will though there is power in numbers. Coaches sadly don't rule the roost any longer to the extent they should imo. This group is a total failure. They are not gonna change more than likely imo.

I’m at a loss to what Fletcher will or won’t do. I wasn’t a great fan of Hextall’s long drawn out trip to mediocracy but Fletcher hasn’t exactly built upon what Hexy did leave him. Apparently I’m one of the few that likes the Tort’s hire, just because I know he will bring structure and accountability. When we see this group in a different setting hopefully we will see exactly what they have.
- landros 2

He actually made it worse. At the cap for team that wasn't even a bubble team this year. Maybe without the major injuries they were a bubble team, but still shouldn't be capped out. They overpayment for non top tier players is a major issue imo.

I'm not sold on Caufield but he has shown promise with the coaching change so we will see how it goes for him. I was not expecting York to be a top pairing defenseman when he was drafted either, but after watching him this past season, my expectations for him have increased. I get to see McAvoy play a lot in Boston since I live here, and he is a good all around defenseman, but not worth the contract he just signed. I think after watching York that he can also be as good as McAvoy, which is why I think York can be top pairing in this league.
- jd250

Sometimes it’s hard to judge a draft after only 2-3 years, the jury is still out on the Caufield/York debate.

He actually made it worse. At the cap for team that wasn't even a bubble team this year. Maybe without the major injuries they were a bubble team, but still shouldn't be capped out. They overpayment for non top tier players is a major issue imo.
- rayc16

Can’t disagree at all.

All about action not lame ass words Chuck uses. He ha s been here almost 4 years and there has been little to no improvement under his watch.

Strong draft record is very debatable. What have they done outside the top 2 rounds? Lets start there.

Development and he still keeps Lappy around. Do you think it might be wise to maybe bring in a guy who is say a Torts protégé to coach the Phantoms so you get everyone on the same page? Then you groom him as a potential future nhl coach.
- hello it's me 2050

That might happen, you never know. But it also may be that Torts and Lappy can get on the same page and you gain continuity that way. Lappy had a rough start to the season no doubt, but the team got better as the season went along. It was the first time Lappy was a head coach, you got to cut the guy some slack here.

The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem. Fletcher has come out this past season and done just that. Fletcher has admitted he does not have the right personnel on the power play. He has admitted the organization has not done a good job developing players. He has admitted the organization needed an overhaul in their medical staff and analytics departments. Fletcher and Flahr have a strong track record in drafting good players. Now we have to hope that with these public admissions the Flyers will improve in player development and start to see the impact from the younger players.
- jd250

almost 4 years into his job he admits he has a problem. What does that tell you?

That might happen, you never know. But it also may be that Torts and Lappy can get on the same page and you gain continuity that way. Lappy had a rough start to the season no doubt, but the team got better as the season went along. It was the first time Lappy was a head coach, you got to cut the guy some slack here.
- jd250

Fn Lappy. He is way past his expiration date. No I do not cut him some slack. Has had so many roles in the organization and has excelled at done of them.

Sometimes it’s hard to judge a draft after only 2-3 years, the jury is still out on the Caufield/York debate.
- landros 2

Historically, forwards develop faster than defenseman and make an impact sooner. The fact that York has developed quickly and is making an impact in the NHL already means something. Now York is not Makar (though I wish he was), but I can see York becoming a Brian Leetch type player, which would be very, very nice!

Yes they will though there is power in numbers. Coaches sadly don't rule the roost any longer to the extent they should imo. This group is a total failure. They are not gonna change more than likely imo.
- hello it's me 2050

I don’t think the Flyers have any untouchable players. Maybe some un tradable guys but it’s time some players feet were held to the fire. Fletcher called it “malaise” over this team last summer…things only got worse. They need a reboot.