Do we still believe that Nashville let Ellis go so easily for no apparent reason?
- FlyerFan3260

We know the reason. Nashville wanted to shed money. They have an internal budget. They were hoping SEA took RyJo or Duchene but they didnt bite. The fact that he misses time per season was not a hidden fact nor was the current injury. The injury occurred in the preseason and Ellis made it worse by playing through it. It is that simple

It is still addressing the issue, maybe not in the most ideal way but Ellis fills a hole on the top pair. He isnt the best fix and not likely the first choice but his presence still addresses the our top pair for most of the season. Top pair Dmen are not growing on trees. If there was one available that was more reliable than Ellis, we likely would have added them instead. We know rebuild is out of the question, so Ellis was the only option.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Limited options doesn’t mean go out and make horrible decisions. You don’t get an A for effort. This post is ridiculous.

It is still addressing the issue, maybe not in the most ideal way but Ellis fills a hole on the top pair. He isnt the best fix and not likely the first choice but his presence still addresses the our top pair for most of the season. Top pair Dmen are not growing on trees. If there was one available that was more reliable than Ellis, we likely would have added them instead. We know rebuild is out of the question, so Ellis was the only option.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He was? Interesting.

Limited options doesn’t mean go out and make horrible decisions. You don’t get an A for effort. This post is ridiculous.
- ClaudeFather

If your car breaks down, having a less than ideal solution to get you up and running is better than not having a car at all. The Flyers are not going to rebuild. They are going to look for any way to plug the hole and Ellis is a good Dman. Ellis in the lineup for 60-70 games still makes a huge difference to the lineup.

He was? Interesting.
- hello it's me 2050

He is if you want to avoid moving young players and prospects. Im sure teams out there were asking for Farabee or Konecny. Fletcher has his flaws but he's avoided trading our young talent

We know the reason. Nashville wanted to shed money. They have an internal budget. They were hoping SEA took RyJo or Duchene but they didnt bite. The fact that he misses time per season was not a hidden fact nor was the current injury. The injury occurred in the preseason and Ellis made it worse by playing through it. It is that simple
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Impossible. Nashville hid this injury from us and our medical staff (the absolute worst in NHL history) missed this major injury before approving the trade. While I have your attention, birds aren’t real and the world is flat.

It is still addressing the issue, maybe not in the most ideal way but Ellis fills a hole on the top pair. He isnt the best fix and not likely the first choice but his presence still addresses the our top pair for most of the season. Top pair Dmen are not growing on trees. If there was one available that was more reliable than Ellis, we likely would have added them instead. We know rebuild is out of the question, so Ellis was the only option.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Maybe he fills a hole on paper, but that's about it. Having a guy regularly miss a 3rd of each season (at best), is not someone you can depend on to fill a hole in your line-up....especially a top pairing d man. That's someone that creates more holes. This team doesn't have the depth on defense to just move guys up and down the lineup and be successful. It can be very detrimental to young player's development to expect them to step up for an extended period and fill the void left by Ellis...and it's irresponsible to expect someone like Nick Seeler to do the same.

Maybe he fills a hole on paper, but that's about it. Having a guy regularly miss a 3rd of each season (at best), is not someone you can depend on to fill a hole in your line-up....especially a top pairing d man. That's someone that creates more holes. This team doesn't have the depth on defense to just move guys up and down the lineup and be successful. It can be very detrimental to young player's development to expect them to step up for an extended period and fill the void left by Ellis...and it's irresponsible to expect someone like Nick Seeler to do the same.
- Flyerfan2868

I dont disagree but the discussion was never about whether it was a good move. It was the fact that Fletcher addressed the Goals against issue by acquiring Ellis. Even if it is just for 2/3 of a season the issue was addressed. Addressing the issue doesnt mean its a fool proof fix or a permanent one. Just that something was done to address the problem

I dont disagree but the discussion was never about whether it was a good move. It was the fact that Fletcher addressed the Goals against issue by acquiring Ellis. Even if it is just for 2/3 of a season the issue was addressed. Addressing the issue doesnt mean its a fool proof fix or a permanent one. Just that something was done to address the problem
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Also addressed it by adding RR

Also addressed it by adding RR
- hello it's me 2050

I know you are just being facetious but RR was not added to reduce GA. He isnt a defensive Dman. He was added because of his size, grit and ability to move the puck.

any more depressing flyers news to share?

How do you still defend this GM is really mind boggling.
-Hello its me 2050

This has nothing to do with blaming of defending the GM. I am just responding to the ridiculous claim that its all Fletcher's fault that the Flyers had the 6th worst GAA in the league last year. Yes, bringing in Yandle was not a good move, but the primary reason the Flyers were 6th worst in the league was because Ellis only played 5 games, Couturier only played 29 games and many of those games he was already hurt, and Hayes was hurt most of the season. This is just FACT, not opinion!

Has Nemec never been injured in his life or something?
- Tomahawk

Never. Not even chicken pox.

I know you are just being facetious but RR was not added to reduce GA. He isnt a defensive Dman. He was added because of his size, grit and ability to move the puck.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Hahahaha

You're right, because all the injuries and firing the coach in December had nothing to do with it!
- jd250

Having to fire the coach two months into the season just showed that Fletcher didn't understand where a lot of the "malaise" was coming from.

RR was not added to reduce GA.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Is Chuck aware of that?

There is a little more activity here. It must be generated by the excitement of having a good coach and his input!

I know you are just being facetious but RR was not added to reduce GA. He isnt a defensive Dman. He was added because of his size, grit and ability to move the puck.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

If his size, grit and alleged puck moving doesn't reduce goals against, what was the point of adding Risto? Offensively he was mediocre at best. He didn't even contribute on the PP like he did in Buffalo.

This has nothing to do with blaming of defending the GM. I am just responding to the ridiculous claim that its all Fletcher's fault that the Flyers had the 6th worst GAA in the league last year. Yes, bringing in Yandle was not a good move, but the primary reason the Flyers were 6th worst in the league was because Ellis only played 5 games, Couturier only played 29 games and many of those games he was already hurt, and Hayes was hurt most of the season. This is just FACT, not opinion!
- jd250

Every team has injuries. You can't write off a terrible 82 game season where the team went backwards despite a huge summer roster overhaul just because a few key players got hurt.

any more depressing flyers news to share?
- 2Real

Jeff Marek thinks the Flyers are going to go hard after tough guy Nick Deslauriers because that's the way to turn around the league's fourth worst team.

https://www.capfriendly.c...ayers/nicolas-deslauriers

If his size, grit and alleged puck moving doesn't reduce goals against, what was the point of adding Risto? Offensively he was mediocre at best. He didn't even contribute on the PP like he did in Buffalo.
- Feanor

Thats because he was never used on the PP. He only got a small look near the tail end of the season when we had little to no talent on the PP. Puck moving is not the same as having possession. The Flyers overall were not a good possession team. Yes I would have liked to see Ristolainen contribute more offensively however lets not forget it was his first year on a new team. During the 2nd half when he was healthy he played much better than the 1st half. When Ristolainen had the the puck, more often than not the Flyers were able to cleanly exit the zone. In the D zone the Flyers more often than not struggled to gain possession. There was a lot of chasing going on and forwards were turning pucks over in the Dzone and neutral zone.

Provorov actually lead the team in turnovers last season which isnt all that surprising since he probably struggled the most last season

Having to fire the coach two months into the season just showed that Fletcher didn't understand where a lot of the "malaise" was coming from.
- Feanor

I think one of Fletcher’s biggest problems is not being able to judge or foresee future problems. You may be able to blame last seasons D breakdown on the loss of Ellis. But the prior season he did nothing to replace Nisky and chose to enter the season with Myers as his 1RD. How can you be that wrong about a player’s ability?

Every team has injuries. You can't write off a terrible 82 game season where the team went backwards despite a huge summer roster overhaul just because a few key players got hurt.
- Feanor

Every team has injuries but not to the extent Philly did. Flyers also did not have the depth to deal with injuries hence why players like Seeler, Connauton, Willman, Mayhew, MacEwan ect played. Usually you miss 1-3 guys at a time not half your team including your starting 4 Cs and a top pair D.

I think one of Fletcher’s biggest problems is not being able to judge or foresee future problems. You may be able to blame last seasons D breakdown on the loss of Ellis. But the prior season he did nothing to replace Nisky and chose to enter the season with Myers as his 1RD. How can you be that wrong about a player’s ability?
- Djapana

But thats the thing though. Choosing to go without a replacement can be attributed to not wanting to make an Ellis type move. You can only be so patient. I cant remember if it was the same year or not but I know Fletcher was trying to sign Brodie. He signed with the Leafs instead though. It is damned if you do damned if you dont type scenario. Management wants action and action is what they got.

Ideally you would wait and see whats available this FA. PK subban wouldnt be a terrible choice on a short term contract

Jeff Marek thinks the Flyers are going to go hard after tough guy Nick Deslauriers because that's the way to turn around the league's fourth worst team.

https://www.capfriendly.c...ayers/nicolas-deslauriers
- Feanor

this coming season might be pretty funny to watch