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Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jun 22 @ 10:18 AM ET

- homiedclown

Can't wait to see Rise of Gru. Gonna have to get good and baked when I go see it with my kids. Father of the Year!
Anderdog
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 03.17.2021

Jun 22 @ 10:22 AM ET
Trotzy does not currently have a job because Trotz hasn't liked anything that was made available to him. I don't blame him for turning down most of these teams.
- Slump Buster



Talk of him taking a front office job with Nashville
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:23 AM ET
Why not? They traded a top 10 pick in Tippett and a first for 2 months of Claude Giroux. Tippett has actually shown more comparatively then Denisenko has at this stage of their respective careers.

It will be for sure.

- SDSabre


because Denisenko is not only their best prospect even after the 2021 draft, he is and was much more well regarded than Owen Tippett who is two years older and has stagnated in his development as a low end complimentary offensive player. If I could trade a 15 point a season Jack Quinn and a late first for Claude Giroux I'd do it too, and I'd (frank)in' do it again.

As their top prospect (at the time of draft) I have an extremely hard time believing he'd be the guy they were willing to give up.

Plus, Spence Knight made Levi a luxury prospect of sorts.
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jun 22 @ 10:24 AM ET
Hey Homie, Mike Schopp always talking about Best Ball league drafts. I went on to FanDuel to see if they're on there and they are now. Did a draft last night. 12 man leagues, draft starts when league fills. Top 3 get paid. All kinds of different level entry fees. Pretty good way to get your fix if you're jonesing for some fantasy action.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:26 AM ET
Trotzy does not currently have a job because Trotz hasn't liked anything that was made available to him. I don't blame him for turning down most of these teams.
- Slump Buster


Dallas and Florida I mean are quality teams. I think any coach would be thrilled to get in on the top floor in Florida. That's just me. Of course it's more than just a great roster for a coach to pick his spot. Just curious I suppose.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:27 AM ET
Hey Homie, Mike Schopp always talking about Best Ball league drafts. I went on to FanDuel to see if they're on there and they are now. Did a draft last night. 12 man leagues, draft starts when league fills. Top 3 get paid. All kinds of different level entry fees. Pretty good way to get your fix if you're jonesing for some fantasy action.
- Hatboro_Swords


Schopp has an unhealthy obsession with drafting and gambling.
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 22 @ 10:29 AM ET
because Denisenko is not only their best prospect even after the 2021 draft, he is and was much more well regarded than Owen Tippett who is two years older and has stagnated in his development as a low end complimentary offensive player. If I could trade a 15 point a season Jack Quinn and a late first for Claude Giroux I'd do it too, and I'd (frank)in' do it again.

As their top prospect (at the time of draft) I have an extremely hard time believing he'd be the guy they were willing to give up.

Plus, Spence Knight made Levi a luxury prospect of sorts.

- TheSabresTaco


Firstly, they are 1 year apart draft wise (16 months actual age difference). And if Tippett has stagnated, you should really look at Denisenko some more. 27 points in 45 AHL games isn't exactly going to kick down the door on their top 6 roster anytime soon. Their entire roster for the foreseeable future is loaded and unless Denisenko turns it on, he's not gonna be anything more than what you described Tippett.
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Connor Murphy is not worth 28OA + Don't take a goalie at 41, ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Jun 22 @ 10:31 AM ET
https://theathletic.com/3375674/2022/06/22/sabres-laud-kyle-okposos-resurgence-leadership-as-buffalos-captaincy-decision-looms/
Really Good Read!!

- Buff36


I just cried
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:33 AM ET
Firstly, they are 1 year apart draft wise (16 months actual age difference). And if Tippett has stagnated, you should really look at Denisenko some more. 27 points in 45 AHL games isn't exactly going to kick down the door on their top 6 roster anytime soon. Their entire roster for the foreseeable future is loaded and unless Denisenko turns it on, he's not gonna be anything more than what you described Tippett.
- SDSabre


This decision was made when Denisenko had 9 points in 15 games, just like the kid that put up 61 in 45 the following season.

All I'm saying is, at that exact point in time, Denisenko had much higher value than Owen Tippett. That's a stone cold fact.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:36 AM ET
Where's the Rat. He can settle this pretty easily.
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 22 @ 10:37 AM ET
This decision was made when Denisenko had 9 points in 15 games, just like the kid that put up 61 in 45 the following season.

All I'm saying is, at that exact point in time, Denisenko had much higher value than Owen Tippett. That's a stone cold fact.

- TheSabresTaco


Right, but that has no bearing on Levi vs Denisenko value wise. And there is some logic to you saying that Knight made him expendable. I won't argue that Denisenko had more value at the time of Buf trade vs Tippett at Phi trade. But I don't know if we couldn't have gotten Denisenko in the Sam deal instead of Levi. Levi was as about hot as you could have been at the time of the trade. Not saying it's wrong either, again, think KA honed in on his guy, and went after him.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:40 AM ET
Right, but that has no bearing on Levi vs Denisenko value wise. And there is some logic to you saying that Knight made him expendable. I won't argue that Denisenko had more value at the time of Buf trade vs Tippett at Phi trade. But I don't know if we couldn't have gotten Denisenko in the Sam deal instead of Levi. Levi was as about hot as you could have been at the time of the trade. Not saying it's wrong either, again, think KA honed in on his guy, and went after him.
- SDSabre


Just for clarity, the Sabres asked for Levi because they liked him and had a need for him. Had they intended on acquiring a goalie via draft or trade (let's assume) they either get Cossa/Wally in draft and a upper mid prospect from Florida, or Levi in trade and Rosen in draft. It's an assumption based assertion.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "It only took seven years and me leaving for them to get into the game", FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 22 @ 10:46 AM ET
Hey Homie, Mike Schopp always talking about Best Ball league drafts. I went on to FanDuel to see if they're on there and they are now. Did a draft last night. 12 man leagues, draft starts when league fills. Top 3 get paid. All kinds of different level entry fees. Pretty good way to get your fix if you're jonesing for some fantasy action.
- Hatboro_Swords

I try to wait until 2 preseason games are in the books before I throw my money in the water
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 22 @ 10:46 AM ET
Just for clarity, the Sabres asked for Levi because they liked him and had a need for him. Had they intended on acquiring a goalie via draft or trade (let's assume) they either get Cossa/Wally in draft and a upper mid prospect from Florida, or Levi in trade and Rosen in draft. It's an assumption based assertion.
- TheSabresTaco


Absolutely. And I'm asserting that that prospect could have been a winger (same position as Sam who had just put up a ppg in the NHL on Buffalo) in Denisenko. You're assuming the most they would have done is Sourdif who while on the surface looks to be making strides should be. He's an overager putting up points in the dub (not taking it away from him, but if he wasn't there would be no shot of ever climbing to even the A). The other side could also have been a lower pick coming with Denisenko. I never asserted it was just a swap of him for Levi. Could have been or could have been Denisenko and a second. Which we still would have ended up with Wally and Denisenko vs Rosen and Levi (which I would like to reiterate for another time, I'm totally cool with and like that KA is honing in on his guys)
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:50 AM ET
Absolutely. And I'm asserting that that prospect could have been a winger (same position as Sam who had just put up a ppg in the NHL on Buffalo) in Denisenko. You're assuming the most they would have done is Sourdif who while on the surface looks to be making strides should be. He's an overager putting up points in the dub (not taking it away from him, but if he wasn't there would be no shot of ever climbing to even the A). The other side could also have been a lower pick coming with Denisenko. I never asserted it was just a swap of him for Levi. Could have been or could have been Denisenko and a second. Which we still would have ended up with Wally and Denisenko vs Rosen and Levi (which I would like to reiterate for another time, I'm totally cool with and like that KA is honing in on his guys)
- SDSabre


yeah, the 1st wasn't coming with Denisenko. Maybe a 3rd or 4th? Not entirely sure, we wouldn't know. It's all guesswork though. I just have sincere doubts he was even available and I know Tippett was on thin ice at time of trade.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 22 @ 10:50 AM ET
Now imagine trading for a top flight Russian goalie prospect that a team has to many of

Article said they would consider moving him

- Anderdog


What's the return they're asking for?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "It only took seven years and me leaving for them to get into the game", FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 22 @ 10:50 AM ET
Where's the Rat. He can settle this pretty easily.
- TheSabresTaco

levi was the target in the trade due to his world jr performance
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "It only took seven years and me leaving for them to get into the game", FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 22 @ 10:53 AM ET
What's the return they're asking for?
- IonSabres

SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jun 22 @ 10:53 AM ET

- homiedclown

banana's are a joke..
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 22 @ 10:55 AM ET
yeah, the 1st wasn't coming with Denisenko. Maybe a 3rd or 4th? Not entirely sure, we wouldn't know. It's all guesswork though. I just have sincere doubts he was even available and I know Tippett was on thin ice at time of trade.
- TheSabresTaco


Right, and that will alter how we look at everything, being the ancillary pieces. I think we all agree Levi was the target, which I'm fine with. I liked Wally in the draft at 14, was confused why we passed with our need, then the Sam trade happened. Was well thought out and calculated. Would have liked one more asset in the deal, but is what it is.
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Connor Murphy is not worth 28OA + Don't take a goalie at 41, ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Jun 22 @ 10:56 AM ET
Give Kyle the C, let him know he earned it from his leadership , absolutely no doubt.
However, this is his last season here...the C does NOT mean Continuous employment.

He has been a very good soldier, but the youth movement is coming fast.

- IonSabres


I think he can hold a 4th line spot here till he either goes to Minny or retires
Anderdog
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 03.17.2021

Jun 22 @ 11:03 AM ET
What's the return they're asking for?
- IonSabres



Wasn't discussed

The jist of it was they have saros signed for 5 more years and other prospects in pipeline


For fun
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DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Connor Murphy is not worth 28OA + Don't take a goalie at 41, ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Jun 22 @ 11:07 AM ET


To answer your first question, there's been no hint up to this point that the NHL is going to remain all too affected by Russia's transgressions in Ukraine.

- TheSabresTaco


I've seen a scout or an exec (anonymous through the athletic) say their team wont be picking any Russians.

I would assume there some teams with that mindset and others who will be happy to take them.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "It only took seven years and me leaving for them to get into the game", FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:10 AM ET
banana's are a joke..
- SabresFaninIndiana

TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 11:10 AM ET
I've seen a scout or an exec (anonymous through the athletic) say their team wont be picking any Russians.

I would assume there some teams with that mindset and others who will be happy to take them.

- DirtyDan


And I have very little doubt we are the former.
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