I agree. He's going to squeeze every ounce of hockey out of these guys. If not, they sit.

I'm interested in seeing how Konecny does. He might be what we hoped he'd become under Torts.
- Pelle31Forever

Or maybe they dont like his approach and they go in the opposite direction.

lol would be even funnier were it true
- Scoob

Ha. Of course if Pitt canned Sullivan and Tortz was offered the job...he'd probably take it 100 times over 100 if Philly were the only other choice.

Or maybe they dont like his approach and they go in the opposite direction.
- hello it's me 2050

Well then you get what you want and they get a higher pick.

Just talked to a source close to hiring process:

During Torts last interview he said "I can't stand the Penguins and their organization, what bothers me most is those whiny, arrogant turds and their self entitlement attitudes. Only time I want the other team to block our shots is if it's with their frankenstein faces."

The Flyers offered him the job shortly after.
- Glak18

Let’s grind baby, playoff bubble team for 3 years is exactly what this team needs
- ClaudeFather

Ugh that was the boring Crapstol era. You telling us flyers will finish 10-11 in the East for 2-3 seasons. Before the brass pull the plug and tank/rebuild, after Fletcher and Tortorella are fired?

I think torts is the right guy if nothing else to expedite the process into the flyers going full nuclear
- Just5

Since 2010, the Flyers have had how many coaches? So now Tortorella is going to make them reverse organizational philosophies all of a sudden?

Well then you get what you want and they get a higher pick.
- J35Bacher

wasn't the point though

A developmental coach who played MacDonald, Manning, Lehtera and VdV over young players. All three guys were out of the league soon after Hak got fired.
- Feanor

Not to mention your regulars of Voracek, Simmonds, Giroux.

Then your semi regulars. MDZ, Gudas, Lecavalier, Streit, Umberger, Shultz, Schennx2 and Weise

Fact is the Flyers werent any younger than most NHL teams. Most NHL teams manage to develop young players while having a NHL caliber coach. Developing young NHL ready players on your roster is part of a Head coaches job. If you cant do that and coach your Vets, you arent a good NHL coach.

Florida players developed just fine under Quennville before he was forced to resign. Carolina players developed fine under Brindy.
Leafs developed players under Babcock.
Avs developed and are 4 games away from a SC with Bednar.
Tampa won 2 cups and maybe a 3rd and developed players with Cooper

The notion that you need a coach for development and a coach for a contender is ridiculous. You just need a good coach period. Whether or not Torts is the guy will only be revealed by time.

Everything is opinion and guesswork until then.

Since 2010, the Flyers have had now many coaches? So now Tortorella is going to make them reverse organizational philosophies all of a sudden?
- MJL

It looked so bright before Carter & Richards was "fired"

Since 2010, the Flyers have had how many coaches? So now Tortorella is going to make them reverse organizational philosophies all of a sudden?
- MJL

This is a good question. The best thing for Flyers' fans is that he will not be a willing stooge to the stupidity that passes for management in this organization. That aspect of the relationship should be entertaining. I do think we need a Flyers t-shirt with his image and the "I am not angry, I am from Philly" quote.

Not to mention your regulars of Voracek, Simmonds, Giroux.

Then your semi regulars. MDZ, Gudas, Lecavalier, Streit, Umberger, Shultz, Schennx2 and Weise

Fact is the Flyers werent any younger than most NHL teams. Most NHL teams manage to develop young players while having a NHL caliber coach. Developing young NHL ready players on your roster is part of a Head coaches job. If you cant do that and coach your Vets, you arent a good NHL coach.


- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I love these narratives. Why was that. When Hextall and Hakstol took over. The organization and the team was barren of young NHL ready players. That's why vets were played as the team adopted a draft and develop process while young players developed in the AHL level and in juniors.

Florida players developed just fine under Quennville before he was forced to resign. Carolina players developed fine under Brindy.
Leafs developed players under Babcock.
Avs developed and are 4 games away from a SC with Bednar.
Tampa won 2 cups and maybe a 3rd and developed players with Cooper

The notion that you need a coach for development and a coach for a contender is ridiculous. You just need a good coach period. Whether or not Torts is the guy will only be revealed by time.

Everything is opinion and guesswork until then.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

It's not about needing it. It's just that history shows us that happens quite frequently. One coach or even a GM for that matter develops the team through a growth period. Then a coaching change or sometimes a GM change happens to move the team forward. I think it's a very safe bet that when and if this team reaches true contender status, Tortorella will be long gone. If he lasts 4 years, that will be a lot.

Torts will bring some accountability on the ice and the post game interviews will be fun to watch. I give Torts two years before he's fired.

Thanks, Bill. I’m glad it will be Torts behind the bench. Post-game pressers will be far more insightful than they have been in the past few decades, but more importantly I believe Torts will command accountability throughout the lineup.
- BroadSTmayhem

His "wrestling" antics will go stale if the losses piling up. And the locker room air will go toxic.

I’m not a fan of this hire. Not because he’s a bad coach, not at all. I just think for this team, he’s not the right fit. Seems to me, Chuck might be trying to save his butt with this hire. He will squeeze out probably 10-15 more wins which will get us drafting in the middle teens again, which we don’t need. I don’t think he will patient with the young players (hopefully) that we will be throwing out for our line-up on a daily basis. His strong points, accountability, players will compete for a full 60, and learn to defend. Things this teams needs. Hoping his shelf life doesn’t run its course, just as they are taking that next step. I’m hoping I’m wrong and it all works out, Long Term. We’ll see.

I love these narratives. Why was that. When Hextall and Hakstol took over. The organization and the team was barren of young NHL ready players. That's why vets were played as the team adopted a draft and develop process while young players developed in the AHL level and in juniors.



It's not about needing it. It's just that history shows us that happens quite frequently. One coach or even a GM for that matter develops the team through a growth period. Then a coaching change or sometimes a GM change happens to move the team forward. I think it's a very safe bet that when and if this team reaches true contender status, Tortorella will be long gone. If he lasts 4 years, that will be a lot.
- MJL

Im not disagreeing with that but the Flyers had young players come in over time and guys like Lehtewra, VDV, Weise ect all played ahead of them.

When you look at the Players he developed. Did he really do a good job?

Couturier has been successful and lived up to his potential
Konecny has been inconsistent
Provorov has not lived up to expectations
Sanheim has been inconsistent
Ghost had one great year and struggled. Had a good 1 year with Arizona with absolutely no pressure of a big market.
Hagg is not very good
Laughton lived up to his potential
Leier is a nobody
Weal is a nobody
Cousins I dont know what his ceiling was as a prospect but he's pretty much a 4th liner
Gouldbourne became nothing
Vorobyev was a bust


Patrick you can maybe give him a pass on because he had 2 years with him at most. As well as Lindblom because his cancer hurt his development

Im not disagreeing with that but the Flyers had young players come in over time and guys like Lehtewra, VDV, Weise ect all played ahead of them.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yes, because Hextall believed in patience in developing players for the most part.

some in the organization expressing concern that the leadership level on the hockey ops side isn’t up to snuff and that Fletcher is too fickle as a GM and has a hard time making decisions on his own without considerable input from multiple people


- THE BLACK HAND

Hayes: “Boss, you think you could give my buddy Keith a job?”

Atkinson: “Try Torts, he was a pretty good coach is Columbus”.

So much success in these suggestions from championship winning players.

This is a bad step for the organization.

Like bringing in AV, hiring Torts is a step that's taken to push a middle-of-the-pack team into a contender. With the selective memory and hyper-negative bias in here, many forget that AV did have a great first season in Philly (6th overall in the league, 2nd in Jack Adams voting) until the pandemic started. It's still a mystery (at least in part) as to why the wheels fell off and the car imploded after March 2020.

Certain veterans (Couturier and Atkinson, for example) will prosper under Torts. Many young players will not. I expect the likes of Konecny and Provorov to be a given a chance in Torts's system and promptly dealt if they don't perform, likely for a fraction of their value.

Next steps by the organization will be packaging FLA's 2023 first rounder with JvR to dump his salary, and either signing Johnny Hockey to a max deal or overpaying for Nazem Kadri.

This is a bad step for the organization.

Like bringing in AV, hiring Torts is a step that's taken to push a middle-of-the-pack team into a contender. With the selective memory and hyper-negative bias in here, many forget that AV did have a great first season in Philly (6th overall in the league, 2nd in Jack Adams voting) until the pandemic started. It's still a mystery (at least in part) as to why the wheels fell off and the car imploded after March 2020.

Certain veterans (Couturier and Atkinson, for example) will prosper under Torts. Many young players will not. I expect the likes of Konecny and Provorov to be a given a chance in Torts's system and promptly dealt if they don't perform, likely for a fraction of their value.

Next steps by the organization will be packaging FLA's 2023 first rounder with JvR to dump his salary, and either signing Johnny Hockey to a max deal or overpaying for Nazem Kadri.
- Pelle Schultz

If we see more of the same from Provorov as the last two seasons, he's destined for the press box under Fonzie.

some in the organization expressing concern that the leadership level on the hockey ops side isn’t up to snuff and that Fletcher is too fickle as a GM and has a hard time making decisions on his own without considerable input from multiple people


- THE BLACK HAND

Where are you seeing this?

Thanks.

A vet coach like Torts will not have much patience imo. What happens when Frost doesnt block that shot?

Unless they purge the roster I guess it wont matter who they have at the end of the day. This group excepts losing. They may not realize it but they do.
- hello it's me 2050

What's the problem with excepting losing?

alright games will be interesting again

Where are you seeing this?

Thanks.
- FlyerFan3260

There was an article linked on a previous page in the thread. You will find it very entertaining.


https://www.crossingbroad...a-as-next-head-coach.html

There was an article linked on a previous page in the thread. You will find it very entertaining.


https://www.crossingbroad...a-as-next-head-coach.html
- MJL

Thank you.

I’m sure I’m not going to find anything shocking. I find myself actually feeling a little bad for Torts. He is entering an environment where he will be the fall guy for issues that are far above him. Entering an environment with little change of success, with a fanbase that has a large portion waiting to eat him alive.

The management, and ownership of this team continues to operate with impunity.

Read the article.

This organization has always been smart about what it leaks. I would not be shocked to believe that Scott is trying to place more oversight on decisions when the results have been what they are.

I would also not be shocked to hear that men in the Flyers circle don’t like it. We know very well what happened when Hextall tried to limit their influence.

It’s just a mess. Never thought we would come to this. Focusing on Torts in these times is difficult for me. The issues are so far above him.