I dont think its the wrong timing. Torts isnt magically going to make this team good again. People seem to think he will make them a middle of the pack team. I could see it but I dont think it will happen. As of right now the team just doesnt have the talent and it is going to take time for the players to learn Torts system and play the way Torts wants. That will take a few months more if Torts is trying to change player's habits.

There are still a ton of question marks as well. Will Ellis be healthy, How is Couturier's back, what will Fletcher do in the offseason. As of right now we are worse than last season as we are short Giroux who was one of our top players. Torts will make us better defensively and help Hart but at the end of the day, he cant make the team more talented, he wont be able to fix the PP without that talent. We will see improvement defensively but the team still wont be good enough to win those close games.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

A good point, this team may be so bad it doesn’t matter. But still they should be tanking, not trying to hire a guy to get into playoffs.

We should be so lucky that a coach as successful as Tortorella wants to coach this team right now. Here’s to hoping he can get everyone on the same page.
- dmleip

Not a done deal yet. Torts may be thinking long and hard right now. As well as pulling a Hayes and squeezing every penny he can get out of them

I agree with shipping the bad apples out at maximum value. And I’m hoping Frost, Cates, Tippet and York are regulars with good minutes.
- mikeyo27

Just cant see Torts coming here agreeing to a lets play our youth mantra.

Then again no other team I dont think even interviewed him so....easy paycheck. Signs 5 year deal knows will be fired after 3!!!!

No one can answer that...they just know what they don't want.
- Glak18

most of the geniuses here don't even know that - they're just being petulant contrarians

His shelf life is far above average.
- Scoob

Agreed, when you spend 7 years in one place, and 6 years in another, that would seem to be evidence that he indeed has a long shelf life in some cases.

SanFilippo has a very interesting article on the Torts hire. He speculates the involvement of Fletcher in the hiring process.
- Trox88

Lol, the muckraking begins...

https://www.crossingbroad...a-as-next-head-coach.html

Agreed, when you spend 7 years in one place, and 6 years in another, that would seem to be evidence that he indeed has a long shelf life in some cases.
- MBFlyerfan

and five in NY

as you pointed out last week, only his stint in Vancouver was below average in length

Who should they hire?
- PLindbergh31

Not Torts or any other win now type coach. Maybe think outside the box. Chuck is fn clown and seeks advice from people who are detached from the game.

Sad when all people mainly have is the press conf will be entertaining.

I don’t think anyone is questioning him as a coach, nor should they be. The timing is just wrong.
- ClaudeFather

yep

I dont think its the wrong timing. Torts isnt magically going to make this team good again. People seem to think he will make them a middle of the pack team. I could see it but I dont think it will happen. As of right now the team just doesnt have the talent and it is going to take time for the players to learn Torts system and play the way Torts wants. That will take a few months more if Torts is trying to change player's habits.

There are still a ton of question marks as well. Will Ellis be healthy, How is Couturier's back, what will Fletcher do in the offseason. As of right now we are worse than last season as we are short Giroux who was one of our top players. Torts will make us better defensively and help Hart but at the end of the day, he cant make the team more talented, he wont be able to fix the PP without that talent. We will see improvement defensively but the team still wont be good enough to win those close games.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They have talent to be much better on the PP and PK.

Not Torts or any other win now type coach. Maybe think outside the box. Chuck is fn clown and seeks advice from people who are detached from the game.

Sad when all people mainly have is the press conf will be entertaining.
- hello it's me 2050

Hakstol was an outside the box hire. How'd that work out?

most of the geniuses here don't even know that - they're just being petulant contrarians
- Scoob

fcs

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Tortorella Reportedly Offered HC Job
- bmeltzer

I actually don’t believe our team is as bad as we’re making them out to be but still definitely not a good team. Most of you just said it, Torts will hold players accountable. I think that was the number one probably this passed season. I do think Torts makes us better but by how much had yet to be seen. We’ll have to wait and see who stays and who goes.

Hakstol was an outside the box hire. How'd that work out?
- PLindbergh31

Fine when you look at the roster he was given. Nowhere near as bad as made out to be.

SanFilippo has a very interesting article on the Torts hire. He speculates the involvement of Fletcher in the hiring process.
- Trox88

It's not speculation that a third-party agency was involved; many of us have heard the same thing (I referenced it the other day). The question Ant raised is whether their involvement was specifically risk-management involved as is the case with many recent pro sports hires (in other words, avoiding a Bill Peters or especially a Chicago type of situation, being leery of the relatively short time since Jim Montgomery's personal issues caused his dismissal in Dallas, etc) or whether it also encroached into other areas.

I don't know enough of the specifics here to comment beyond saying that I'd also heard an outside agency was part of the process.

and five in NY

as you pointed out last week, only his stint in Vancouver was below average in length
- Scoob

... also interesting to note that he left every team except for NY in an absolute shambles.

Not Torts or any other win now type coach. Maybe think outside the box. Chuck is fn clown and seeks advice from people who are detached from the game.

Sad when all people mainly have is the press conf will be entertaining.
- hello it's me 2050

So you wanted them to hire a coach to be bad, to try and get high picks and then to get fired when it's time to try and take steps forward?


I am not disagreeing that higher picks seem to have a higher average of succeeding but why can't we get a good coach and hope that brings in a structure and this word is thrown around a lot, culture, to the team as they retool/rebuild or whatever.

I think the biggest issue is they need to figure out how to develop the talent that is here and future picks.

Alledegtly offered Trotz more than 7 million per. He turned it down. If that doesn't open the flyers eyes then what will?

Fine when you look at the roster he was given. Nowhere near as bad as made out to be.
- hello it's me 2050

Kind of the point I've been making. So you hire an outside the box coach, give him a poop roster and he's fired in 2 years. What does that accomplish?

So you wanted them to hire a coach to be bad, to try and get high picks and then to get fired when it's time to try and take steps forward?


I am not disagreeing that higher picks seem to have a higher average of succeeding but why can't we get a good coach and hope that brings in a structure and this word is thrown around a lot, culture, to the team as they retool/rebuild or whatever.

I think the biggest issue is they need to figure out how to develop the talent that is here and future picks.
- J35Bacher

Why would you hire a vet coach who is 95% a better match for a team that needs that kick in the ass to get them over the hump? The same players are still in the fold more or less.

I wanted a coach who is more in tune with how hockey is played in 2022. This is a bottom 5 team. There is no quick fix.

This organization has zero vision or plan. They are delusional. He is 64 years old. When things go south, and they will, you think he will have the same fire he had 15 years ago? This is a retirement contract for him. Probably will a senior advisor in 3 years.

Not Torts or any other win now type coach. Maybe think outside the box. Chuck is fn clown and seeks advice from people who are detached from the game.

Sad when all people mainly have is the press conf will be entertaining.
- hello it's me 2050

What coach teaches "not to win"? Chuck is a clown no doubt. But no coach is going to come in here and say, "hey guys we do not need to win, just try your best".

I think Torts will play the players he is given in the best way he sees fit. If you want to complain about the roster that is on the GM/organization.

Personally, I do not want a coach who does not want to win regardless of the state of the franchise.

Torts is the right man at this time, need to create a new identity for this team. He will be vocal and keep the players on their toes.

It feels that the announcement is going to be dropped like a natal baby elephant.
Not a surprise and big. A little sloppy but 'lovable'?
Torts is going to first get this team organized and prioritized to suit his preferred formats. Fitting his desires into this team's current roster will be quite the show.

If I am entertained, I will watch.
Either that or so much for Center Ice..... at the end of this season I wasn't even recording what I had paid for.

It was depressing and rarely exciting.

I am not particularly into the analytics. Those devices are best used by practitioners of statistical black magic, coaches, and GMs. I like +/-. This is about where my insight stands, nothing I say is important and I know that. Yet as a fan, I have urges.
Such as saying, what is more important? Minutiae or goals.
I want to go back to where those goals are what I see, the team that wants to score every time they gain possession. If the talent promotes that, YEAH!
If all we do is defend and eke out wins.....meh.

+/- is the mark.

One source told me Fletcher wasn’t as high on Tortorella as others were and would have preferred a different kind of coach, however, the search committee identified his leadership and accountability skills as being so off the charts that he would be an ideal fit for the Flyers situation.




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Kind of the point I've been making. So you hire an outside the box coach, give him a poop roster and he's fired in 2 years. What does that accomplish?
- PLindbergh31

If you rebuild (something the saint didn't do) your starting from scratch so to speak. What it accomplishes is you have a modern day coach who understands how hockey is played today. You get a coach who will lay the foundation for what you hope is future success. Don't see Torts being this type of coach. Again not a knock on Torts as he is a good coach.