Why do you continually embarrass yourself like this. In response to my asking you why it was a lazy hire, you responded with this post.

https://hockeybuzz.com/bo...p?thread_id=179307&page=7

"Torts was sitting around this past season, if the Flyers really wanted him they could have hired him the same time they fired AV. If Torts was really your top target, why wait so long and go through the charade of interviewing all these candidates? bottom line for me is Fletcher had two great coaches gift-wrapped to him and he has completely dropped the ball on both, and is left now with someone he really doesn't want but at the same time cannot afford to also lose in order to preserve the image that the Flyers always get the high profile coach."


Who are you referring to with the statement of "Fletcher had two great coaches gift-wrapped to him"?


After dealing with this, we can address that statement and how it is lacking in reality.
- MJL

Just a guess he is referring to Trotz and Cassidy.

May I ask who these goofy regulars are as I am new to the discussion.
- furio16

He’s a regular lmao

Trotz considering free beer offer in Manitoba ??

https://apnews.com/articl...e11a2b1983a9b8ed75d4349ff

Farabee is def one.

Konecny could still get there. Next year or two will tell what we get with Konecny.

Frost has 2nd line Ceiling

Tippett 2nd line ceiling

Brink and Foerster would be other young players that have potential for a high ceiling.

They do have some, the struggle is getting them to their ceilings. There has to be something the Flyers are missing during development that is causing guys to fall short of their ceiling.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Frost will need a dumbwaiter to reach his ceiling.

Frost will need a dumbwaiter to reach his ceiling.
- konalover711

Thank you for the early morning laugh.

Frost will need a dumbwaiter to reach his ceiling.
- konalover711

https://theathletic.com/3...yers-morgan-frost-review/

The argument from those most fiercely critical of Frost’s treatment basically goes as follows. The organization seems obsessed with turning Frost into a more complete, two-way player when the best way to foster his talents is to encourage him offensively. Watch any Flyers practice, and it would become quickly apparent that few (if any) other players on the roster could make the sort of maneuvers with the puck that Frost would attempt on the regular. The goal, therefore, should be to place him in offensive situations at the NHL level, be patient with him and his inevitable mistakes and wait for him to (hopefully) thrive. Not bounce him back and forth between the AHL and NHL and often fail to place him with creative scoring talents.

https://theathletic.com/3...yers-morgan-frost-review/
- MBFlyerfan

I'm not upset with the Torts hiring, but he's not going to help Frost at all, imo.

Look at every team in the division , the Flyers are well behind in potential. Most of their potential has already come through.
- ClaudeFather

Some teams do sure but a lot of those teams got hands on top prospects.

NJ got Hughes and Hischier 1st overall

Rangers picked Lafreniere, Kakko 1st and 2nd, Kravtsov 9th overall

Carolina got Svechnikov 2nd overall. Did well with Aho in round 2. CAR has actually moved a few 1st round players such as Bean, Hanfin, Fleury and Lindholm. Their 2nd round picks have been good as well.

Isles I wouldnt say are ahead of us. They got guys like Bellows, Barzal, Whalstrom and Dobson in the 10-16 range

Columbus is another team I wouldnt put ahead of us, they have prospects but none of them have really done anything yet. Their last successful pick was Texier in 2017

Pens, Caps dont really have much that Im aware of

Flyers have 2 top 5 picks in the last 20 years. JVR and Patrick. Lottery screwed us out of Patrick Kane one year and Patrick was a bust in 2017. Busts are actually common, the only reason people bring up Patrick is because Makar was in that draft. Had he not been, the patrick pick wouldnt be mentioned as much.

One thing Fletcher and Flahr have done well so far has been drafting. We got some good young players within the last few years. The thing we do need though is a potential elite player and this ios really our 1st chance since patrick to pick one but this draft doesnt appear like it will have an elite player in it unfortunately. You never know but nobody aside from maybe Wright and Cooley strike me as top talent.

Some teams do sure but a lot of those teams got hands on top prospects.

NJ got Hughes and Hischier 1st overall

Rangers picked Lafreniere, Kakko 1st and 2nd, Kravtsov 9th overall

Carolina got Svechnikov 2nd overall. Did well with Aho in round 2. CAR has actually moved a few 1st round players such as Bean, Hanfin, Fleury and Lindholm. Their 2nd round picks have been good as well.

Isles I wouldnt say are ahead of us. They got guys like Bellows, Barzal, Whalstrom and Dobson in the 10-16 range

Columbus is another team I wouldnt put ahead of us, they have prospects but none of them have really done anything yet. Their last successful pick was Texier in 2017

Pens, Caps dont really have much that Im aware of

Flyers have 2 top 5 picks in the last 20 years. JVR and Patrick. Lottery screwed us out of Patrick Kane one year and Patrick was a bust in 2017. Busts are actually common, the only reason people bring up Patrick is because Makar was in that draft. Had he not been, the patrick pick wouldnt be mentioned as much.

One thing Fletcher and Flahr have done well so far has been drafting. We got some good young players within the last few years. The thing we do need though is a potential elite player and this ios really our 1st chance since patrick to pick one but this draft doesnt appear like it will have an elite player in it unfortunately. You never know but nobody aside from maybe Wright and Cooley strike me as top talent.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Not even talking prospect only, like I said these other teams prospects have already arrived. The Flyers have nothing close to any of these teams. Washington has Oshie, Carlson, Ovie Backstrom. NYR has Zib Panarin, Laf, Fox. We know who Pitt has, Carolina Aho Svechnikov, good Dcore.the Flyers have nothing like that.

Flyers have 2 top 5 picks in the last 20 years. JVR and Patrick. Lottery screwed us out of Patrick Kane one year and Patrick was a bust in 2017. Busts are actually common, the only reason people bring up Patrick is because Makar was in that draft. Had he not been, the patrick pick wouldnt be mentioned as much.


- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Really, so you think that a player picked 2nd overall who is a complete bust wouldn't be mentioned as much if Makar didn't exist? None of the other quality players also taken after Patrick would matter?

One thing Fletcher and Flahr have done well so far has been drafting. We got some good young players within the last few years. The thing we do need though is a potential elite player and this ios really our 1st chance since patrick to pick one but this draft doesnt appear like it will have an elite player in it unfortunately. You never know but nobody aside from maybe Wright and Cooley strike me as top talent.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I like the potential of many of Fletcher's picks but until they hit, we really don't know.

Really, so you think that a player picked 2nd overall who is a complete bust wouldn't be mentioned as much if Makar didn't exist? None of the other quality players also taken after Patrick would matter?



I like the potential of many of Fletcher's picks but until they hit, we really don't know.
- MJL

All 3 players after Patrick are already established very good hockey players. To think it’s just makar is absurd. Bottom line is the Flyers are not some great coaching destination. Clearly being showcased this off-season.

I'm not upset with the Torts hiring, but he's not going to help Frost at all, imo.
- rayc16

Yeah, to be honest I have no idea what to expect if he is indeed the hire.

Just a guess he is referring to Trotz and Cassidy.
- furio16

Obviously.

Apparently some did not learn their lesson from that Lindros trade. If the Flyers had lost the bidding to the Rangers, the Flyers would have been lifting the Cup at some point that decade. One player does not make a team.
- jd250

I know a lot of dudes here are huge Lindros fans, but in hindsight I personally wouldn't have even traded Forsberg straight up for Lindros, much less all the rest of it:

Some teams do sure but a lot of those teams got hands on top prospects.

NJ got Hughes and Hischier 1st overall

Rangers picked Lafreniere, Kakko 1st and 2nd, Kravtsov 9th overall

Carolina got Svechnikov 2nd overall. Did well with Aho in round 2. CAR has actually moved a few 1st round players such as Bean, Hanfin, Fleury and Lindholm. Their 2nd round picks have been good as well.

Isles I wouldnt say are ahead of us. They got guys like Bellows, Barzal, Whalstrom and Dobson in the 10-16 range

Columbus is another team I wouldnt put ahead of us, they have prospects but none of them have really done anything yet. Their last successful pick was Texier in 2017

Pens, Caps dont really have much that Im aware of

Flyers have 2 top 5 picks in the last 20 years. JVR and Patrick. Lottery screwed us out of Patrick Kane one year and Patrick was a bust in 2017. Busts are actually common, the only reason people bring up Patrick is because Makar was in that draft. Had he not been, the patrick pick wouldnt be mentioned as much.

One thing Fletcher and Flahr have done well so far has been drafting. We got some good young players within the last few years. The thing we do need though is a potential elite player and this ios really our 1st chance since patrick to pick one but this draft doesnt appear like it will have an elite player in it unfortunately. You never know but nobody aside from maybe Wright and Cooley strike me as top talent.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Heiskanen and Pettersson were both after Patrick, people don't forget about them either.

Some teams do sure but a lot of those teams got hands on top prospects.

NJ got Hughes and Hischier 1st overall

Rangers picked Lafreniere, Kakko 1st and 2nd, Kravtsov 9th overall

Carolina got Svechnikov 2nd overall. Did well with Aho in round 2. CAR has actually moved a few 1st round players such as Bean, Hanfin, Fleury and Lindholm. Their 2nd round picks have been good as well.

Isles I wouldnt say are ahead of us. They got guys like Bellows, Barzal, Whalstrom and Dobson in the 10-16 range

Columbus is another team I wouldnt put ahead of us, they have prospects but none of them have really done anything yet. Their last successful pick was Texier in 2017

Pens, Caps dont really have much that Im aware of

Flyers have 2 top 5 picks in the last 20 years. JVR and Patrick. Lottery screwed us out of Patrick Kane one year and Patrick was a bust in 2017. Busts are actually common, the only reason people bring up Patrick is because Makar was in that draft. Had he not been, the patrick pick wouldnt be mentioned as much.

One thing Fletcher and Flahr have done well so far has been drafting. We got some good young players within the last few years. The thing we do need though is a potential elite player and this ios really our 1st chance since patrick to pick one but this draft doesnt appear like it will have an elite player in it unfortunately. You never know but nobody aside from maybe Wright and Cooley strike me as top talent.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I like your positivity but the Flyers don’t have a single prospect that projects as a 1st line forward or 1st pair defenseman let alone the level of the game breakers you are witnessing on Colorado and Tampa Bay. It’s more of the middle of the roster types this franchise excels at drafting.

https://theathletic.com/3...yers-morgan-frost-review/
- MBFlyerfan

I do think the kid has a great set of hands and decent advanced vision.
Just don;t think he can do it at pace.
I just don't see a lot of heart in his game.
I think the game has been super easy for him (multi multi point games) growing up playing with lesser talents.
Now with every player on the ice is pretty good he has not raised his game like he was able to moving from youth hockey to Juniors.
Did not even seem to show it in the A.
I stand by that this kid will be equivalent to Nick Cousins...or many others who shoulda coulda woulda....

I think the game has been super easy for him (multi multi point games) growing up playing with lesser talents.
- konalover711

You have no idea what you're talking about lol.

He didn't have it easy at all growing up, like many smaller teen players. Cut from AAA minor hockey, wasn't a high pick in the OHL draft, didn't start out that well once he got to major junior. But he worked his ass off, learned to play both sides of the puck, and made a name for himself.

He isn't this Alex Daigle trope that you've conjured up in your own head.

Did not even seem to show it in the A.
- konalover711

Nah, didn't show anything, just the leading scorer on the Phantoms while he was there.

Really, so you think that a player picked 2nd overall who is a complete bust wouldn't be mentioned as much if Makar didn't exist? None of the other quality players also taken after Patrick would matter?



I like the potential of many of Fletcher's picks but until they hit, we really don't know.
- MJL

Anyone who mentions the Nolan Patrick pick always follows up with Makar could have been picked. I dont hear anybody mention Pettersen or Heiskanen. At the end of the Day Makar is a franchise type player. He's huge among hockey fans. Heiskanen is a player you rarely hear people talk about. Petterssen maybe gets brought up but I feel like people forget about it. No one talks about Yakapov pick anymore, yes it happened 10 years ago but there was nothing like Makar in that draft but there were big names.

The fact that someone huge like Makar gets picked ensures people wont forget the Patrick Pick. I had to google the Yakapov pick

Yakapov pick anymore, yes it happened 10 years ago but there was nothing like Makar in that draft...
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

How dare you disrespect Scotty Laughton like that.

Youre way off base on Clb, they didnt have a 1 or 2 a few years ago but their recent drafts have been strong....they drafted Luc-Dubois, whom they traded for Laine and Cody Sillenger just had a killer rookie year
- THE BLACK HAND

Someone literally ridiculed your uninformed post in detail after I signed off haha.
- ClaudeFather

So you don’t have the answer. Okay, cool.

May I ask who these goofy regulars are as I am new to the discussion.
- furio16

I was actually talking about “hello it’s me” but Claudefather is so insecure he thought I was talking about him…

The Flyers have a nice crop of younger players that have ceilings much higher than middling talent, and a top 5 pick in this draft. There is plenty of hope here.
- jd250

Totally disagree...there is not a top end talented young player in the Flyers organization at this point. Maybe some see York as a potential 1st pair I dont. On a good team most of their prospects are middling. Maybe Farabee on a good team would be a 2nd line player. Got to compare them to where they would slot on a good team not on the Flyers. Heck Braun was a top pair D man here

Totally disagree...there is not a top end talented young player in the Flyers organization at this point. Maybe some see York as a potential 1st pair I dont. On a good team most of their prospects are middling. Maybe Farabee on a good team would be a 2nd line player. Got to compare them to where they would slot on a good team not on the Flyers. Heck Braun was a top pair D man here
- hfc355

The most games played in a regular season Joel Farabee has seen is 63 games. He’s pretty much a 20 goal lock if he stays healthy and just turned 22 in February. Why exactly would Joel Farabee only be a second line player on a good team when he’s not even fully developed yet? Personally, my only issue with Farabee so far is, I don’t feel like his work ethic is up to par every night.