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Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 15 @ 11:29 AM ET
The top player in the draft has put in 3 years. Cozens has 2 years. This kid has yet to sign an ELC an were going to waste our time on him still.

Fack outta here with that nonsense

- DirtyDan

Who's wasting there time, all that was said it would be nice if he signed, your the one that said who gives a Sh!t.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 15 @ 11:30 AM ET
Ya sure if he wanted to be here but that looks false
- DirtyDan

OK, glad you have been talking with him. Jesus it's still a year away.
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 15 @ 11:31 AM ET
vader
hans
david from last alien movie
joker from dark knight
death row guy from shocker


my top 5 at a glance

- homiedclown


False. Rose cheats on her fiancé, steals from him, grows up and marries another guy cuz she's bored, has kids who have kids, then starts rambling on about the guy she actually loved instead of her husband in front of her grandkid to a guy who's spent his entire life and savings looking for the diamond that she previously stole and told no one, then throws it away, over a 3 day free boat ride.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 15 @ 11:32 AM ET
Have to take him at 16 or 9 he won't be available later .

He's a player that buffalo can take a risk on and let him develop in the CHL.

- gerbe75pts


what a shame

Who says he'd report to the Blades?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 15 @ 11:35 AM ET
Not very many (my guess would be none). But there's always a chance. IDK feeling optimistic. Kids slept through the night, woke up only mildly tired.
- SDSabre

Jay O'Brien, maybe
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 15 @ 11:36 AM ET
You really think we can get debricat for 1/2 eichel value?

Sure the contract situation and center position is different, but 307 points in 368 games.....

Your talking about one of the best 24 year olds in the nhl.

16OA and rosen

Plus 2 more pieces.

Johnson or a 2nd
And
Pick #9 or 2023 protected 1st

- Boss34


Eichel, a young center with 5 years of term remaining, netted top 6 wing, prospect C, perceived late first and perceived late 2nd.

Reinhart yielded a perceived late first and a promising late round prospect, because of his position, age and contract status, all similar to Cat.

Cat is the better winger, hence the better return of an A prospect and a mid round 1st. Maybe you add a 2nd or a B prospect.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jun 15 @ 11:36 AM ET
vader
hans
david from last alien movie
joker from dark knight
death row guy from shocker


my top 5 at a glance

- homiedclown




Anton Chigurh
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 15 @ 11:39 AM ET
others comparable to johnson from the 19 draft class

beecher signed with bruins this year
I think all the others already signed
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 15 @ 11:40 AM ET
Anton Chigurh
- Powerslave



he did leave it up to chance though
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 15 @ 11:40 AM ET
False. Rose cheats on her fiancé, steals from him, grows up and marries another guy cuz she's bored, has kids who have kids, then starts rambling on about the guy she actually loved instead of her husband in front of her grandkid to a guy who's spent his entire life and savings looking for the diamond that she previously stole and told no one, then throws it away, over a 3 day free boat ride.
- SDSabre

Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 15 @ 11:40 AM ET
If I’m trading all that it’s for a center. We traded a wing in Sam for 28 and a project goalie. Then we are going to trade for a wing for 9 Rosen and another piece? That’s bad asset management
- Alex the Great


Couple good points, but debricat is better than sam. Couple 40+ goal seasons.

Gotta separate the sam trade and his reasoning for moving on from buffalo

If risto gets you rosen , and (2) 2nds , the cat is a 4 piece acquisition
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 15 @ 11:50 AM ET
Couple good points, but debricat is better than sam. Couple 40+ goal seasons.

Gotta separate the sam trade and his reasoning for moving on from buffalo

If risto gets you rosen , and (2) 2nds , the cat is a 4 piece acquisition

- Boss34

https://www.quanthockey.c...easons-players-stats.html

pretty much same stats the last 3 years between the cat and the skunk
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 15 @ 11:52 AM ET
Eichel, a young center with 5 years of term remaining, netted top 6 wing, prospect C, perceived late first and perceived late 2nd.

Reinhart yielded a perceived late first and a promising late round prospect, because of his position, age and contract status, all similar to Cat.

Cat is the better winger, hence the better return of an A prospect and a mid round 1st. Maybe you add a 2nd or a B prospect.

- TheSabresTaco


Reasonable on paper, but you're acting like debricat is a sleeper of some sort. You just discovered this guy.

Reality , he is not sam reinhart. Not even close.


2 time 40+ goal scorer.
Sam had never scored 30 (also wanted out ) down arrowing his value slightly.


Eichel is still a more comparable player IMO.
yes. I understand the center position, but debricat is a nhl superstar.

409 games played 380 points eichel .93 ppg
368 games 307 points the cat .84 ppg
532 games 377 points for sam .71 ppg

Big difference IMO

SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 15 @ 11:53 AM ET
Couple good points, but debricat is better than sam. Couple 40+ goal seasons.

Gotta separate the sam trade and his reasoning for moving on from buffalo

If risto gets you rosen , and (2) 2nds , the cat is a 4 piece acquisition

- Boss34


Risto got Rosen, and what will probably be a high second, and a late sixth.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jun 15 @ 11:54 AM ET


he did leave it up to chance though

- homiedclown



True, but only the shopkeeper lived (in one of the best scenes in all of cinema).
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 15 @ 11:55 AM ET
https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-3-nhl-seasons-players-stats.html

pretty much same stats the last 3 years between the cat and the skunk

- homiedclown



Why not compare the 2 from the start of their careers?

Sam is 2 years older

#Agendatime

Could you compare their goals scored the past 3 years please. Assists can be misleading for both players.
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 15 @ 11:55 AM ET
Reasonable on paper, but you're acting like debricat is a sleeper of some sort. You just discovered this guy.

Reality , he is not sam reinhart. Not even close.


2 time 40+ goal scorer.
Sam had never scored 30 (also wanted out ) down arrowing his value slightly.


Eichel is still a more comparable player IMO.
yes. I understand the center position, but debricat is a nhl superstar.

409 games played 380 points eichel .93 ppg
368 games 307 points the cat .84 ppg
532 games 377 points for sam .71 ppg

Big difference IMO

- Boss34


Would seem a middle ground between a Sam and Eichel trade then yeah?

16, Johnson, 2nd (Philly so perceived to be higher, or 41) and longer term prospect? Chi fans prolly don't like it but it's further out package.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 15 @ 11:57 AM ET
Risto got Rosen, and what will probably be a high second, and a late sixth.
- SDSabre


I misspoke, sorry.

Rosen a 2nd and a 6th after the deadline trade.

Interchanging that 2nd rounder and our late 1st this year is not going to get debricat
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jun 15 @ 11:58 AM ET

Flyers hired an outside consulting firm to help conduct interviews


https://twitter.com/NHLRu...WXPCVe7HGRgeeoQ0LCzA&s=19
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 15 @ 11:59 AM ET


Would seem a middle ground between a Sam and Eichel trade then yeah?

16, Johnson, 2nd (Philly so perceived to be higher, or 41) and longer term prospect? Chi fans prolly don't like it but it's further out package.

- SDSabre


🤝

Does seam like a middle ground.
Goalscoring needs to weighed as well.

*Yes, sometimes I argue points, sometimes goals.
That's my gig around here
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 15 @ 11:59 AM ET
Why not compare the 2 from the start of their careers?

Sam is 2 years older

#Agendatime

Could you compare their goals scored the past 3 years please. Assists can be misleading for both players.

- Boss34

for 1, the sabres were the worst team of the century when reinhart started


and the cat was playing with kane and toews


I mean if you want to compare guys like Seth Griffith and Benoit Pouliot on the same page as Kane and Toews, have at it boss
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 15 @ 12:01 PM ET
I misspoke, sorry.

Rosen a 2nd and a 6th after the deadline trade.

Interchanging that 2nd rounder and our late 1st this year is not going to get debricat

- Boss34


I mean to be fair to you, a 6th is almost a 1st.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 15 @ 12:03 PM ET
True, but only the shopkeeper lived (in one of the best scenes in all of cinema).
- Powerslave

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 15 @ 12:03 PM ET
I mean to be fair to you, a 6th is almost a 1st.
- SDSabre

or a 7th

or a 5th
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jun 15 @ 12:05 PM ET
or a 7th

or a 5th

- homiedclown



Ott is not a center
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