I see a lot of hand wringing over Gibson here..

You guys are looking at all wrong.. trust me on this..Looking at his #'s the past 3 seasons is meaningless.

He's had to carry a pretty crappy Ducks squad solo for 4 yrs.. that would crush anyone... winning games 2-1 or shutout facing 40+ shots ..literally a lot of nights. D men making boneheaded plays etc...

The Leafs score goals in bunches... his workload and having to be damn near perfect every time out would vanish... He'd be totally rejuvenated... There is very limited downside here for Leafs...

If we don't trade him you'll see a very different goalie with the Ducks getting much better this yr... growth from all the kids and the FA adds along with some trades and the hammer Mason McTavish coming on board... The best player not in the NHL right now...
- dozerD10

The problem is there's been a lot worse goalies who also play for bad teams who have been way better then Gibson who has become dependably bad.

I see a lot of hand wringing over Gibson here..

You guys are looking at all wrong.. trust me on this..Looking at his #'s the past 3 seasons is meaningless.

He's had to carry a pretty crappy Ducks squad solo for 4 yrs.. that would crush anyone... winning games 2-1 or shutout facing 40+ shots ..literally a lot of nights. D men making boneheaded plays etc...

The Leafs score goals in bunches... his workload and having to be damn near perfect every time out would vanish... He'd be totally rejuvenated... There is very limited downside here for Leafs...

If we don't trade him you'll see a very different goalie with the Ducks getting much better this yr... growth from all the kids and the FA adds along with some trades and the hammer Mason McTavish coming on board... The best player not in the NHL right now...
- dozerD10

The back up goalies seemed to have done better with the same anaheim team in front of them.

I see a lot of hand wringing over Gibson here..

You guys are looking at all wrong.. trust me on this..Looking at his #'s the past 3 seasons is meaningless.

He's had to carry a pretty crappy Ducks squad solo for 4 yrs.. that would crush anyone... winning games 2-1 or shutout facing 40+ shots ..literally a lot of nights. D men making boneheaded plays etc...

The Leafs score goals in bunches... his workload and having to be damn near perfect every time out would vanish... He'd be totally rejuvenated... There is very limited downside here for Leafs...

If we don't trade him you'll see a very different goalie with the Ducks getting much better this yr... growth from all the kids and the FA adds along with some trades and the hammer Mason McTavish coming on board... The best player not in the NHL right now...
- dozerD10

If the Ducks would retain (which I am not convinced they would) It might work out. Apart from the Campbell and Andersen trades, Leafs track record on goalie trades is not stellar.

I see a lot of hand wringing over Gibson here..

You guys are looking at all wrong.. trust me on this..Looking at his #'s the past 3 seasons is meaningless.

He's had to carry a pretty crappy Ducks squad solo for 4 yrs.. that would crush anyone... winning games 2-1 or shutout facing 40+ shots ..literally a lot of nights. D men making boneheaded plays etc...

The Leafs score goals in bunches... his workload and having to be damn near perfect every time out would vanish... He'd be totally rejuvenated... There is very limited downside here for Leafs...

If we don't trade him you'll see a very different goalie with the Ducks getting much better this yr... growth from all the kids and the FA adds along with some trades and the hammer Mason McTavish coming on board... The best player not in the NHL right now...
- dozerD10

iv seen a lot of statsy analysis ..danger this, gsaa that.. expected vs saved
adjusted for bad team etc etc

they all looks pretty bad overall

I see a lot of hand wringing over Gibson here..

You guys are looking at all wrong.. trust me on this..Looking at his #'s the past 3 seasons is meaningless.

He's had to carry a pretty crappy Ducks squad solo for 4 yrs.. that would crush anyone... winning games 2-1 or shutout facing 40+ shots ..literally a lot of nights. D men making boneheaded plays etc...

The Leafs score goals in bunches... his workload and having to be damn near perfect every time out would vanish... He'd be totally rejuvenated... There is very limited downside here for Leafs...

If we don't trade him you'll see a very different goalie with the Ducks getting much better this yr... growth from all the kids and the FA adds along with some trades and the hammer Mason McTavish coming on board... The best player not in the NHL right now...
- dozerD10

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he's the best available goalie.. Any word on what teams are on that 10 team no trade list of his?

My favourite thing about Griffin Reinhart is that he's one more thing I can rile up my Oiler-fan friend about. They gave up a 1st and a 2nd for him. Matt Barzal and Mitchell Stephens. Mitchell Stephens was picked 2 spots ahead of Carolina's Aho. Imagine if in one draft the Oilers had scooped McDavid, Barzal and Aho.

Ah. Peter Chiarelli. The michelin chef of f'n over his own team. He's so awful you'd think Mike Milbury planted him so we could forget about him.
- Monkeypunk

Bob Green also played a big role in that trade. I’m not sure how he is still the oilers head of scouting. That team needs to purge everyone from the poho to the stick boys.

The back up goalies seemed to have done better with the same anaheim team in front of them.
- Fakepartofme

Meh, Kallgren played better than Campbell did in the Game 5 loss to Tampa Bay.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he's the best available goalie.. Any word on what teams are on that 10 team no trade list of his?
- PatC80

He's the biggest name. I wouldn't say he's the best. Like the rest of the goalie market, there's at least one question mark on him and then there's the addition of paying assets to get him and a large portion of the cap.

Cap is less meaningful as I do think if the Ducks retained 25% that would give a 4.8 million cap hit, get a back up for 1 million or less and you're in the same goalie cap amount as last year with Mrazek and Campbell. I think a pair of goalies for 6 million or less would be fine for the leafs.

He's the biggest name. I wouldn't say he's the best. Like the rest of the goalie market, there's at least one question mark on him and then there's the addition of paying assets to get him and a large portion of the cap.

Cap is less meaningful as I do think if the Ducks retained 25% that would give a 4.8 million cap hit, get a back up for 1 million or less and you're in the same goalie cap amount as last year with Mrazek and Campbell. I think a pair of goalies for 6 million or less would be fine for the leafs.
- Aaron_85

If Anaheim retains, and the Leafs are a team he is willing to be traded to, than it's a win/win..

MAF would be a decent secondary option, but he'll be 38 in November, can he handle the workload?

If Anaheim retains, and the Leafs are a team he is willing to be traded to, than it's a win/win..

MAF would be a decent secondary option, but he'll be 38 in November, can he handle the workload?
- PatC80

Anaheim will easily find takers for Gibson with no retention.

Meh, Kallgren played better than Campbell did in the Game 5 loss to Tampa Bay.
- PatC80

Ok sure.
Comparing 1 half game to over 25 games seems legit.

If Anaheim retains, and the Leafs are a team he is willing to be traded to, than it's a win/win..

MAF would be a decent secondary option, but he'll be 38 in November, can he handle the workload?
- PatC80

MAF would be part of a tandem I would think but he didn't want to be traded here so I don't think he's an option for FA.

Murray as the #1 guy here?


- PatC80

No, as one guy competing for a spot who could be moved to Marlies or traded with no cap impact. Bring in 2 or 3 guys - throwing out names, say Murray, Comrie and Holtby as a veteran presence - and hope you catch lightning in a bottle.

If there’s no one guy who stands out that you’re willing to pay for, bring in a few and let them compete for the net.

Anaheim will easily find takers for Gibson with no retention.
- TurdFergeson

Disagree. There's very few teams in need of a goalie with cap space.

Try to follow along or even better, don’t even bother
- Canada Cup

The back up goalies seemed to have done better with the same anaheim team in front of them.
- Fakepartofme

True... playing was less games... and not having had the burden of being the primary goalie for said # of yrs. ... that matters.

In a new environment with goals coming consistently you'd see a much better and rested goalie...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he's the best available goalie.. Any word on what teams are on that 10 team no trade list of his?
- PatC80

I don't and I wish I did.. from what I've heard most are in the West... being from the Burg.. I don't think he'd have a problem going East.

No, as one guy competing for a spot who could be moved to Marlies or traded with no cap impact. Bring in 2 or 3 guys - throwing out names, say Murray, Comrie and Holtby as a veteran presence - and hope you catch lightning in a bottle.

If there’s no one guy who stands out that you’re willing to pay for, bring in a few and let them compete for the net.
- Canada Cup

The Athletic points out that Murray’s salary is backloaded so that the Sens would have to pay out $10M in real money to buy him out. They’d be much better off trading him. The best the Leafs could do would be to trade them Mrazek (who they could buy out more cheaply) and get Murray at 50%.

Essentially, you’re getting Murray for Mrazek at the same money.

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The Athletic points out that Murray’s salary is backloaded so that the Sens would have to pay out $10M in real money to buy him out. They’d be much better off trading him. The best the Leafs could do would be to trade them Mrazek (who they could buy out more cheaply) and get Murray at 50%.

Essentially, you’re getting Murray for Mrazek at the same money.

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- Canada Cup

Agree Murray should not be a consideration. Wonder if the Jets are interested in moving Hellebuyck

I don't think he's that desperate yet.

Allen would really help the Oilers for sure.

But we are talking about the madman who tried to win a Stanley Cup with Mike Smith.
- Scabeh

If Keith retires, the Oilers get 9mil in capspace or some poop.

If Keith retires, the Oilers get 9mil in capspace or some poop.
- AdamFrench

I think it is 3.4 mil. But it’s very unlikely. He has said he wants to keep playing into his 40s. I am almost certain he will play and then sign a cheap vet deal ala Chara.

If Keith retires, the Oilers get 9mil in capspace or some poop.
- AdamFrench

Aren't the Hawks also getting a bad cap recapture thing if he retires?

I think it is 3.4 mil. But it’s very unlikely. He has said he wants to keep playing into his 40s. I am almost certain he will play and then sign a cheap vet deal ala Chara.
- TurdFergeson

Correct and Agree he probably won't retire even though he's owed only $1.5M in salary this season. If he does retire, Chicago gets hit with a $7.5M salary re-capture.

If Duncan Keith retired this summer, his $5.5M cap hit would be removed for #LetsgoOilers and they would get a $3.4M recapture cap credit (negative cap hit).
#Blackhawks would have $7.5M of recapture cap hit, allocated as $5.5M in 22-23 & $2M in 23-24

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Correct and Agree he probably won't retire even though he's owed only $1.5M in salary this season. If he does retire, Chicago gets hit with a $7.5M salary re-capture.



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- winsix

Ouch.

Guessing the Blackhawks hopes he learned enough from Hossa not to pull this off.

If Keith retires, the Oilers get 9mil in capspace or some poop.
- AdamFrench

Nice.
Push him for retirement and go get a legit goalie.