I get it you like Strome...fair enough. I think he's way too inconsistent to make any sort of financial commitment to and if he werent' skating with top end skill guys, he's a turd. Slow, doesn't engage away from the puck, rarely wins a board battle.....just meh.

We will see if the Hawks bring him back.
- SteveRain

All he is to me is an asset, not a turd, he's actually competing with NHL players. I am not opposed to trading him, but as I've said here before no Giveaways.

Well because in Dach's draft year Kakko was universal #2 and #3 was a myriad of players, the Hawks drafted Dach. Hughes was #1, and this year was his breakout year. I am not a fan of Dach as a center (hope he proves me wrong), but think he would be a plus top 6 winger. Yes i would listen to what someone would offer for him, but I wouldn't be looking to dump him because you think he is a bust, and you are hoping someone would give you something of value cause they think there is something there, that you don't.

Another thing is that he is going to come cheap, hopefully for 2 years. Seems to me to be a cheap lotto ticket. Think someone offering KD something for Dach isn't trying to buy low?
- LAHawk

Instead of dumping a 21 year old, how about a novel approach and find an excellent coach that knows how to work with and develop a young player that they thought highly enough to draft #3 overall??

Anybody notice the improvement in Dylan Cozens this past year (drafted same year as Dach)? And similar big improvement in the games of Tage Thompson and Corey Mittlestadt. Donny Granato worked very hard with those kids and his labor started to bear fruit.

There is no need to trade Dach. You dump that stiff Strome and insert Dach in his place and work with the kid.

Dach is young enough to develop and be valuable through the rebuild into a competitive team. Unless they think he will be a bust and never develop as expected, he isn't the player you trade in a rebuild.

Dach is young enough to develop and be valuable through the rebuild into a competitive team. Unless they think he will be a bust and never develop as expected, he isn't the player you trade in a rebuild.
- jfkst1

via GIPHY

KD says he wants the Hawks to play fast and faster, I don't think Strome fits that model.
- LAHawk

Gee. Where have we heard that before?

5th from last paragraph:

http://www.espn.com/gen/n...00/20000523/00546200.html

Gee. Where have we heard that before?

5th from last paragraph:

http://www.espn.com/gen/n...00/20000523/00546200.html
- Rota's Rooter

Bill Parcells used to say some guys use a stop watch to determine if that prospect is going to be a NFL football player.

Man that was a nice deal made by the Bolts for Hagel, he's been a pleasure to watch in the playoffs.

Him teamed up with Cirelli make a great tandem, be interesting if they will be able to keep that kind of pressure on the Avs.

KD says he wants the Hawks to play fast and faster, I don't think Strome fits that model.
- LAHawk

Playing fast is not necessarily just having the fastest skaters. Being able to process the situation quickly, and make quick accurate passes are vital as well.

I'm sure that KD isn't going to simply go after the fastest skaters.

Playing fast is not necessarily just having the fastest skaters. Being able to process the situation quickly, and make quick accurate passes are vital as well.

I'm sure that KD isn't going to simply go after the fastest skaters.
- Chunk

Viktor Stahlberg was very fast.

Viktor Stahlberg was very fast.
- rpeters01

So was Jack Skille. Q's teams play fast. I agree. Strome has the hockey sense to play fast. Actually not sure that Dach does.

So was Jack Skille. Q's teams play fast. I agree. Strome has the hockey sense to play fast. Actually not sure that Dach does.
- LAHawk

Dach has played Pee Wee and the NHL. The NHL is not a development league. Hawks have screwed Dach.

“A more favorable deal to consider would be packaging Dach to another team to bring back at least two of a high draft pick, blue chip prospect, and/or current roster player who can play at a top”

Not sure why anyone would offer much of what you’re proposing for someone you’ve termed a slow developing young prospect. Perhaps a team in cap crunch might come calling but doubt they’re offering a top 6 forward without asking for Dach ++
- Turnitaround

Agree, Dach alone won't bring back that type of return I suggested hence why I added the term "packaging Dach" which refers to Dach plus other assets from Chicago. I should have been more clear what that term meant.

So was Jack Skille. Q's teams play fast. I agree. Strome has the hockey sense to play fast. Actually not sure that Dach does.
- LAHawk

I concur on that perception that Strome processes the game fast due to his high hockey IQ. Dach isn't on that same level as Strome but has other attributes to compensate.

Speaking of stupid GM's.
What would you hawk fans want from Ottawa for Seth Jones. We were attempting to debate the price in the Ottawa forum...lol...some skewd lenses on what his value is.
- Octavarium

I think if you take on his full contract the price would be very reasonable (low). I don’t see that happening.

I think if you take on his full contract the price would be very reasonable (low). I don’t see that happening.
- Ztra

I think you underestimate how much KD wishes to keep Jones with the present pipeline of talent. Campbell was not a spring chicken when the Hawks became good. It would take more than a first plus the full contract to get him.

Oilers G Koskinen signs two-year deal in Switzerland.

I think you underestimate how much KD wishes to keep Jones with the present pipeline of talent. Campbell was not a spring chicken when the Hawks became good. It would take more than a first plus the full contract to get him.
- rpeters01

Ding, ding, ding! KD noted a number of times in his end of year presser that Jones will be counted on to be a big minute, all-situation D-man. He also didn't pull any punches in saying that Jones needs to be better (and specifically put more shots on net).

Logan Mullen
@ByLoganMullen
If NHL players/coaches had gone to the Olympics, Canada's coaching staff was going to be Jon Cooper, Bruce Cassidy, Barry Trotz and Pete DeBoer. Three of those four got fired from their NHL gigs this offseason. Life moves fast.

I am glad so many here are cock-sure there are, in a 2022 draft class that is full of lots of uncertainty that" teams" wants to trade a first rounder unless they get a bigger return than is equal.

I am not talking about the 2 pick...New Jersey will get value in return, because they are only trading it if they get the few options they probably already are targeting.
(this isn't going to be some night before the draft impulsive trade...it will be detailed and maybe larger, because New Jersey & the trade partner want to their fan bases to feel they just helped improve. In others words a move just to make a move.)

Unless the Blackhawks give up quality, they are not jumping into the first.
(Who thinks dacha gets you a first? Not me, withe juries out...)
I am sure KD wants it on his resume that he made the call to give up on his chance of improvement, a basic white flag on his coaching.


So the 'cat and vet defenders is what you are working with.
lanes says he staying, and Toews is not going anywhere or of much value anywhere.
Out of respect for the great player he was, I would love to think the reputation he has could get us a late first rounder, but I am not so sure.

On Dach:
Until we hear he wants out, I truly doubt they sell while he has little return...it really would take a one for one swap like the made up Kaako one to align, or why would you trade him if he doesn't want to go?

He is exactly what they need -potential that a good organization helps flourish.

I think I will continue to excite myself (ouch) with who will possibly drop to us in slot #38.
I agree speed, speed, speed, and if possible centre, centre, centre.

Well, after last year and a the 2021 draft seeing Nolan Allen, Logan Mailloux, and two guys I had the hawks scooping up in the early second and Quebec's surprise add of punch in Tyler Boucher, that I and others really don't know who they value b/c it is clear teams may again go off what ALL draft prognosticators "think" and taking unexpected players they like.

I get questioned as to who could drop, who might be there at #38.
Will the cancer Russian Ivan be there, will that big defenseman, or one of the USA development kids everyone has gone in the first?

Nothing preoccupies my mind more that that pick, because the reality of us selectng at #38 is more real speculated fun for me.

I said the rebuild was gonna be long very long for a long time, and I don't doubt things COULD happen, but I like sticking to my thoughts on which guys look like fits coming in the early second, because in most drafts, you can, could, might make a good decision and jump ahead of the other organizations because of these type decisions...nothing is going to speed up teh Hawks to contender-staus in one pick, but building quality. starting with striking gold in the early second, because although there are some nice juniors later in the late second and 3rd, I cannot attach any "DeBrincat -type underdog shine at this time, says the poetic who don't know it!

So today, I present the guy I would like to be on the when pick #38 is tone chosen...another from my guys who I think should be gone, but as I said, WTF do I know, eh?

Rieger Lorenz Left Centre 185 lbs, and 6 2 plus.

On the radar since his midget days, when he was clearly one of the undersized talented kids on the ice, Lorentz was a hard working, strong-wristed speedster centre who has sprouted much longer legs and at least four inches in height. He displayed high end scoring ability back then and all-around commitment and smarts. His new size had him needing time to add the co-ordination to play with a bigger trunk. In is an usual route for this type of athlete goes the Tier 2 route, but isn’t that where we saw Cole maker before college? Even itv the end of 2021, you saw him still learning to play a bigger man’s game. By the end of this season, he clearly showed he had control of his longer legs, and was adjusting to again play at pace, and still make himself small in traffic areas. This kid was a wizard in his traffic, and that is going to re-emerge has a big man. He comes back hard on trailing forwards. Has an ability to anticipate and cut off passes. A better prospect than Dylan Holloway was when he played at the same age for Okottoks.(and I so wanted Holloway for my Blackhawks!) He has always crashed the net, had good timing, know when to slow it down and also when to ramp it up. Flicks firm passes of his strong wrists. He will force defenders in compromising positions and then quickly takes the puck from them. When he is completely comfortable with his feet, watch his take off when he adds the crash he should when he was smaller. There is a very good chance that when we all look back at the redraft of this class and wonder why he wasn’t the top half of the first round or close. Very under-rated Alberta Junior league.


Note: My draft board currently has Lorenz at #34 THE SECOND PICK IN THE SECOND DAY....
PRONMAN HAS HIM AT #57, WHEELER AT #42

Oilers G Koskinen signs two-year deal in Switzerland.
- LAHawk

I guess he smells what the Holland got cooking...and it isn't Mikko thumb stuck in their dyke....

Truly amazing the carcass that has become Hawks hockey. Sad we left the bean counter in so long to set the Hawks up for total ruin.

Truly amazing the carcass that has become Hawks hockey. Sad we left the bean counter in so long to set the Hawks up for total ruin.
- kwolf68

We won three.

The jets had horses and their bean counters saw no way to keep them.

The same may happen to Leafs, rangers, Oilers and even Avs, if they don't win.

Not easy holding it molding it and winning the Cup....

I am glad so many here are cock-sure there are, in a 2022 draft class that is full of lots of uncertainty that" teams" wants to trade a first rounder unless they get a bigger return than is equal.


- wiz1901

Hey Wiz. With so many of the prospects missing/losing time on the ice, do you expect that older players (20 vs 18-19) (with more extensive tape) get chosen earlier than the younger ones?

We won three.

The jets had horses and their bean counters saw no way to keep them.

The same may happen to Leafs, rangers, Oilers and even Avs, if they don't win.

Not easy holding it molding it and winning the Cup....
- wiz1901

You also have to remember in 11/12 the cap was $64 mil. projected to go to $71 mil. Then after the lockout the actual cap in 12/13 was $60 mil.

I am glad so many here are cock-sure there are, in a 2022 draft class that is full of lots of uncertainty that" teams" wants to trade a first rounder unless they get a bigger return than is equal.

I am not talking about the 2 pick...New Jersey will get value in return, because they are only trading it if they get the few options they probably already are targeting.
(this isn't going to be some night before the draft impulsive trade...it will be detailed and maybe larger, because New Jersey & the trade partner want to their fan bases to feel they just helped improve. In others words a move just to make a move.)

Unless the Blackhawks give up quality, they are not jumping into the first.
(Who thinks dacha gets you a first? Not me, withe juries out...)
I am sure KD wants it on his resume that he made the call to give up on his chance of improvement, a basic white flag on his coaching.


So the 'cat and vet defenders is what you are working with.
lanes says he staying, and Toews is not going anywhere or of much value anywhere.
Out of respect for the great player he was, I would love to think the reputation he has could get us a late first rounder, but I am not so sure.

On Dach:
Until we hear he wants out, I truly doubt they sell while he has little return...it really would take a one for one swap like the made up Kaako one to align, or why would you trade him if he doesn't want to go?

He is exactly what they need -potential that a good organization helps flourish.

I think I will continue to excite myself (ouch) with who will possibly drop to us in slot #38.
I agree speed, speed, speed, and if possible centre, centre, centre.

Well, after last year and a the 2021 draft seeing Nolan Allen, Logan Mailloux, and two guys I had the hawks scooping up in the early second and Quebec's surprise add of punch in Tyler Boucher, that I and others really don't know who they value b/c it is clear teams may again go off what ALL draft prognosticators "think" and taking unexpected players they like.

I get questioned as to who could drop, who might be there at #38.
Will the cancer Russian Ivan be there, will that big defenseman, or one of the USA development kids everyone has gone in the first?

Nothing preoccupies my mind more that that pick, because the reality of us selectng at #38 is more real speculated fun for me.

I said the rebuild was gonna be long very long for a long time, and I don't doubt things COULD happen, but I like sticking to my thoughts on which guys look like fits coming in the early second, because in most drafts, you can, could, might make a good decision and jump ahead of the other organizations because of these type decisions...nothing is going to speed up teh Hawks to contender-staus in one pick, but building quality. starting with striking gold in the early second, because although there are some nice juniors later in the late second and 3rd, I cannot attach any "DeBrincat -type underdog shine at this time, says the poetic who don't know it!

So today, I present the guy I would like to be on the when pick #38 is tone chosen...another from my guys who I think should be gone, but as I said, WTF do I know, eh?

Rieger Lorenz Left Centre 185 lbs, and 6 2 plus.

On the radar since his midget days, when he was clearly one of the undersized talented kids on the ice, Lorentz was a hard working, strong-wristed speedster centre who has sprouted much longer legs and at least four inches in height. He displayed high end scoring ability back then and all-around commitment and smarts. His new size had him needing time to add the co-ordination to play with a bigger trunk. In is an usual route for this type of athlete goes the Tier 2 route, but isn’t that where we saw Cole maker before college? Even itv the end of 2021, you saw him still learning to play a bigger man’s game. By the end of this season, he clearly showed he had control of his longer legs, and was adjusting to again play at pace, and still make himself small in traffic areas. This kid was a wizard in his traffic, and that is going to re-emerge has a big man. He comes back hard on trailing forwards. Has an ability to anticipate and cut off passes. A better prospect than Dylan Holloway was when he played at the same age for Okottoks.(and I so wanted Holloway for my Blackhawks!) He has always crashed the net, had good timing, know when to slow it down and also when to ramp it up. Flicks firm passes of his strong wrists. He will force defenders in compromising positions and then quickly takes the puck from them. When he is completely comfortable with his feet, watch his take off when he adds the crash he should when he was smaller. There is a very good chance that when we all look back at the redraft of this class and wonder why he wasn’t the top half of the first round or close. Very under-rated Alberta Junior league.


Note: My draft board currently has Lorenz at #34 THE SECOND PICK IN THE SECOND DAY....
PRONMAN HAS HIM AT #57, WHEELER AT #42
- wiz1901

If we drafted four Brandon Saad's I wouldn't cry.