I think this is some very key information regarding this draft:

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- Chunk[But despite] what we’ve gone through as scouts in the NHL, as far as watching video and having video meetings with your staff, it has been worse for these kids because they’ve had to do it for [everything]. One player that we interviewed [at the combine] didn’t play hockey all of last year. The last two years haven’t been great for anybody, but more so the players because their development has been skewed a little bit.”

That lost development time makes it extra difficult to evaluate the 17- and 18-year-olds who make up the draft class this year. That uncertainty is why Doneghey doesn’t necessarily agree with the popular sentiment that the class is weaker than usual.

“I don’t know how you can judge that,” he said.

That says it all, most likely why NJ and Ottawa picks are for sale. No one's really sure of this draft.

I agree, but if KD gets rid of all his actual young pro hockey players he won't be around to long.
- BetweenTheDots

Not unless he sells high on younger guys and gets better younger guys in return....Ellison for Sharp, Bochenski for Versteeg, Ruutu for Ladd.......

I think this is some very key information regarding this draft:

“
- Chunk[But despite] what we’ve gone through as scouts in the NHL, as far as watching video and having video meetings with your staff, it has been worse for these kids because they’ve had to do it for [everything]. One player that we interviewed [at the combine] didn’t play hockey all of last year. The last two years haven’t been great for anybody, but more so the players because their development has been skewed a little bit.”

That lost development time makes it extra difficult to evaluate the 17- and 18-year-olds who make up the draft class this year. That uncertainty is why Doneghey doesn’t necessarily agree with the popular sentiment that the class is weaker than usual.

“I don’t know how you can judge that,” he said.

I think that's fair and likely why Davidson would like to get back into the 1st round.

Not unless he sells high on younger guys and gets better younger guys in return....Ellison for Sharp, Bochenski for Versteeg, Ruutu for Ladd.......
- SteveRain

Right, but the Blackhawks didn't give up their best defensive 21 year old forward and their best 24 year old goal scorer to get those players

I agree, but if KD gets rid of all his actual young pro hockey players he won't be around to long.
- BetweenTheDots

Seravalli said on his podccast that the rebuild will take 5,6,7 years and anyone on this team, with exception of Kane, Jones (because of his contract) and possibly Dach won't be around when the team is good again. He didn't cite any sources and I'm sure it's just his opinion.

That's why he thinks Debrincat will be traded. He's 24 and will be 30 by the time the team is good again, and in the meantime he'll be paid huge bucks for playing on a bad team.

If Dach has fallen out of favor here, and Kakko in New York, would anyone do a straright up hockey trade for each other.
- boilermaker100

What would that accomplish? What indicates that either have fallen out of favor in their respective teams?

KD is fielding calls on anything not nailed down (and I'm sure he would listen if an offer came in for any of those three).

Kakko was in a bit over his head in a conference championship game.

Ok but what does Kako have to do with Dach and why does it matter? I could care less about Kako's development (unless Hawks traded for him) and more about how/if/when Dach starts to figure out and/or if not if the Hawks can flip him and actually get something for him before the rest of the league figures it out as well.
- SteveRain

Well because in Dach's draft year Kakko was universal #2 and #3 was a myriad of players, the Hawks drafted Dach. Hughes was #1, and this year was his breakout year. I am not a fan of Dach as a center (hope he proves me wrong), but think he would be a plus top 6 winger. Yes i would listen to what someone would offer for him, but I wouldn't be looking to dump him because you think he is a bust, and you are hoping someone would give you something of value cause they think there is something there, that you don't.

Another thing is that he is going to come cheap, hopefully for 2 years. Seems to me to be a cheap lotto ticket. Think someone offering KD something for Dach isn't trying to buy low?

Seravalli said on his podccast that the rebuild will take 5,6,7 years and anyone on this team, with exception of Kane, Jones (because of his contract) and possibly Dach won't be around when the team is good again. He didn't cite any sources and I'm sure it's just his opinion.

That's why he thinks Debrincat will be traded. He's 24 and will be 30 by the time the team is good again, and in the meantime he'll be paid huge bucks for playing on a bad team.
- boilermaker100

I understand the Hagel trade, but i just don't see a winning org who's cash strapped, since they usually are, and Cat is going to make at least $9 mil his next contract per year, trading 2 first round picks, 2nd round pick and quality young prospects.

NJ ain't gonna do it either or Buffalo, cause they still suck, and any team that still sucks is not going to give you their 1st round pick next year.

Well because in Dach's draft year Kakko was universal #2 and #3 was a myriad of players, the Hawks drafted Dach. Hughes was #1, and this year was his breakout year. I am not a fan of Dach as a center (hope he proves me wrong), but think he would be a plus top 6 winger. Yes i would listen to what someone would offer for him, but I wouldn't be looking to dump him because you think he is a bust, and you are hoping someone would give you something of value cause they think there is something there, that you don't.

Another thing is that he is going to come cheap, hopefully for 2 years. Seems to me to be a cheap lotto ticket. Think someone offering KD something for Dach isn't trying to buy low?
- LAHawk

Of course they would be trying to buy low as they should be....especially if they get a sense the Hawks aren't sold on Dach and feel he's slotted at X, where a new team feels they could get more out of him.

Granted it's one guys podcast, post, etc....but I also think to keep in mind here is that everyone preaching patience with Dach this year very could be the year the Hawks expect (right or wrong) to see some strides in his game or else he very could be flipped for another kid who hasn't lived up to his potential elsewhere. Dach's progression will be a MAJOR story line for this team this upcoming year.

I agree....I think they need to pick a lane for this kid (center or wing) and lock him and see what happens. I know a lot of people always cite the examples of how longer it takes bigger players, injuries, etc to hit...but seems to be a lot of smoke around Dach right now and if he hasnt produced/excelled under 2 coaches, what makes a 3rd going to change that? Even if it's a veteran NHL coach who likely won't coddle him and expect more?

Dach is an enigma.

What would that accomplish? What indicates that either have fallen out of favor in their respective teams?

KD is fielding calls on anything not nailed down (and I'm sure he would listen if an offer came in for any of those three).

Kakko was in a bit over his head in a conference championship game.
- Chunk

It would accomplish Dach becoming a Ranger and Kakko a Hawk. Rangers have young wings out of the kazoo with Kravtsov being recently signed and Othmann waiting in the wings. Maybe they want a center to have available if their Strome walks and Copp doesn't reup. Yes trading Dach will weaken the Hawks center position, especially if our Strome is not extended, but they could find some on the scrap heap. The team will be bad next year and, I fear, for seasons to come.

Regarding them falling out of favor, I did include IF they did.

Ovi was 32 when the Caps won their cup. If KD is such a talent he should be able to build around his current young NHL players. Unless some team is willing to give up a ton to acquire one of those players, stay the course. No Giveaways please

I understand the Hagel trade, but i just don't see a winning org who's cash strapped, since they usually are, and Cat is going to make at least $9 mil his next contract per year, trading 2 first round picks, 2nd round pick and quality young prospects.

NJ ain't gonna do it either or Buffalo, cause they still suck, and any team that still sucks is not going to give you their 1st round pick next year.
- BetweenTheDots

Never underestimate the power of stupid GM's.

This year we will be watching the development of Vlasic and possibly Regula on the back end.

Hopefully Dach's shoulder is healed and can train fully this off season. Be ready for a full NHL season

Hopefully Raddysh and Katchouk aren't part of those allegations and all of these kids remaining just get better at playing with and without the puck.

It would accomplish Dach becoming a Ranger and Kakko a Hawk. Rangers have young wings out of the kazoo with Kravtsov being recently signed and Othmann waiting in the wings. Maybe they want a center to have available if their Strome walks and Copp doesn't reup. Yes trading Dach will weaken the Hawks center position, especially if our Strome is not extended, but they could find some on the scrap heap. The team will be bad next year and, I fear, for seasons to come.

Regarding them falling out of favor, I did include IF they did.
- boilermaker100

Right, but if they have fallen out of favor, it is because they are not playing well. So why would it benefit either team by swapping them for each other if they will just be underachieving in a different city? Can you just solve the Hawks side of the problem by moving Dach to wing?

It's kind of like the Strome/Schmaltz trade. It's a wash. The are both good offensive players and minus defensive players. So basically no gain for either team.

Never underestimate the power of stupid GM's.
- Chunk

That's true, i was shocked when Bowman made that deal for Seth Jones last year.

This year we will be watching the development of Vlasic and possibly Regula on the back end.

Hopefully Dach's shoulder is healed and can train fully this off season. Be ready for a full NHL season

Hopefully Raddysh and Katchouk aren't part of those allegations and all of these kids remaining just get better at playing with and without the puck.
- BetweenTheDots

One of - if not the - the most important moves this offseason will be the coach. If they can install someone who can get everyone to play together, and know their assignments, and trust each other, they have a shot at building a competitive organizatoin.

Ovi was 32 when the Caps won their cup. If KD is such a talent he should be able to build around his current young NHL players. Unless some team is willing to give up a ton to acquire one of those players, stay the course. No Giveaways please
- BetweenTheDots

The problem with the current young Hawk NHL players are there is Dach, Reichel (maybe), and ADB. The rest are below replacement level on offense. On defense you have promise, and that is it. There are no Makar's, Dahlin's, Fox, Power's on the roster. In goal you are currently at ECHL level. Yes he should build around the NHL capable young players, the problem is they need about 4 drafts to be able to have enough NHL capable players to contend for a playoff spot.

Never underestimate the power of stupid GM's.
- Chunk

Pressure to win, make a splash for ticket money, all factor in....can't always say GMs are acting independent without ownership influence.

That's true, i was shocked when Bowman made that deal for Seth Jones last year.
- BetweenTheDots

Speaking of stupid GM's.
What would you hawk fans want from Ottawa for Seth Jones. We were attempting to debate the price in the Ottawa forum...lol...some skewd lenses on what his value is.

The problem with the current young Hawk NHL players are there is Dach, Reichel (maybe), and ADB. The rest are below replacement level on offense. On defense you have promise, and that is it. There are no Makar's, Dahlin's, Fox, Power's on the roster. In goal you are currently at ECHL level. Yes he should build around the NHL capable young players, the problem is they need about 4 drafts to be able to have enough NHL capable players to contend for a playoff spot.
- LAHawk

They are likely going to need acquire that type of player through the draft. Either getting a consensus top player by being awful AND/OR hitting later on because you have a proven hockey ops who can find those type of players.

The latter to me is playing with fire because as of recently hawks havent had some big hits and have missed on a lot of top picks as well.

This board is going to melt to the ground when they trade ADB because a team like NJ or Ottawa is going to give Davidson what he wants back.

“A more favorable deal to consider would be packaging Dach to another team to bring back at least two of a high draft pick, blue chip prospect, and/or current roster player who can play at a top”

Not sure why anyone would offer much of what you’re proposing for someone you’ve termed a slow developing young prospect. Perhaps a team in cap crunch might come calling but doubt they’re offering a top 6 forward without asking for Dach ++

Speaking of stupid GM's.
What would you hawk fans want from Ottawa for Seth Jones. We were attempting to debate the price in the Ottawa forum...lol...some skewd lenses on what his value is.
- Octavarium

Something similar to what we gave up for him, but that'll never happen. So 2 firsts a second and a young blue chip prospect

Interesting stuff from Ben Pope in the Sun-Times this weekend. I don't have the link, but you can google it and I think he had a link on his twitter feed.

21% of Blackhawk 2nd through 7th round picks from 2012-2018 made the NHL.
The NHL average is 38%.

A more favorable deal to consider would be packaging Dach to another team to bring back at least two of a high draft pick, blue chip prospect, and/or current roster player who can play at a top 6 forward level or top 4 defense level.

The old Schmaltz, Strome, Perlini play, no thanks.

Interesting stuff from Ben Pope in the Sun-Times this weekend. I don't have the link, but you can google it and I think he had a link on his twitter feed.

21% of Blackhawk 2nd through 7th round picks from 2012-2018 made the NHL.
The NHL average is 38%.
- scottak

And that is why KD did a princess de Lamballe to Kelley and Stewart, the 2 heads of the scouting department.