nor is it a "bad look".
- Slump Buster

arizona north

I think Taco did a nice job of laying out rational scenarios that shows they can still accomplish what most on here want.
The fat lady is still showering, it will be a bit before she is singing.
- IonSabres

she better wash that cookie

arizona north
- homiedclown

So if someone offers us another pick to take a dead contract we should say no?

So if someone offers us another pick to take a dead contract we should say no?
- Slump Buster

I'd rather get a first or second rd pick for a guy with 2 years left then another 7th

side note, I love the vibe from the liv tour

seems like they had a ton of side attractions

I may have to check it out in Miami this fall

I'd rather get a first or second rd pick for a guy with 2 years left then another 7th
- homiedclown

So would I, but that wasn't the question. Are the two moves (or any other moves) mutually exclusive?

So would I, but that wasn't the question. Are the two moves (or any other moves) mutually exclusive?
- Slump Buster

I hated getting the guy from the islanders to get to the floor last year, and I hate getting bishop to get to the floor this year

never thought this would be the way when terry bought the team

Sabres are going to ruin ur winter
Don't let them ruin ur summer to

arizona north
- homiedclown

Arizona is much better at selling off their cap space. We could learn from them.

Arizona is much better at selling off their cap space. We could learn from them.
- Lunaion

Big difference - Arizona took on live bodies in order to get those draft picks. They hadn't even bottomed out yet. That is a completely different standard. I don't know about you but I have no interest in taking on other team's bad players in order to get 2nd rounders. We have the deepest prospect pool in the league - there is no reason to take on healthy bad players.

And again, the offseason isn't over. They will be bringing in bodies - lets see what they do with the real moves.

But that's my point - they didn't go to 15 mill for the three spots. If they plan on spending 20 mill or even 40 mill for the 3 players, they still could. This move doesn't stop that, nor is it a "bad look".
- Slump Buster

It IS confirmation that they are a Cap Floor team for sure, as there is no other way to explain the move.

Now, within a Cap Floor roster, there are potential deals to be made to upgrade the roster in a limited number of spots.

It does reaffirm exactly what Adams has been communicating for a several weeks now...
-Bring back Anderson if he wants to come back
-Sign our own
-bring in a Vet to help continue the nice development several younger players exhibited last season...welcome back Vinnie
-bring up a couple younger players
-use the next season to continue down the development path.

Many gave closed their ears and want to see more commitment to achieving a playoff run.
Can't blame them, but doesn't seem like the path the team is on.

It IS confirmation that they are a Cap Floor team for sure, as there is no other way to explain the move.

Now, within a Cap Floor roster, there are potential deals to be made to upgrade the roster in a limited number of spots.

It does reaffirm exactly what Adams has been communicating for a several weeks now...
-Bring back Anderson if he wants to come back
-Sign our own
-bring in a Vet to help continue the nice development several younger players exhibited last season...welcome back Vinnie
-bring up a couple younger players
-use the next season to continue down the development path.

Many gave closed their ears and want to see more commitment to achieving a playoff run.
Can't blame them, but doesn't seem like the path the team is on.
- IonSabres

This is most certainly true. I am not saying that anyone should be happy with that - that's a different conversation. But if you decide to be a cap floor team then you might as well make these kind of moves.

It's smart if they see more players breakout like tage they will have the money and support their own
- gerbe75pts

I'm sure this is partially what they're thinking but it it's completely bassackwards.

"We have to have cap space in case we get good" is not a plan to actually get good. Get good first.

This plan also allows them to hit the 3 E's under the guise of "diligent team building"

This is most certainly true. I am not saying that anyone should be happy with that - that's a different conversation. But if you decide to be a cap floor team then you might as well make these kind of moves.
- Slump Buster

Right now, I'm envious of teams who get to spend to the cap floor.

Right now, I'm envious of teams who get to spend to the cap floor.
- Lunaion

Oh my

This is most certainly true. I am not saying that anyone should be happy with that - that's a different conversation. But if you decide to be a cap floor team then you might as well make these kind of moves.
- Slump Buster

I think the sabres need to address this to potential season tickets

I mean the fans should know what to expect this summer, and if the goal is to just get to the floor, tell the fans so they can spend their money accordingly

Right now, I'm envious of teams who get to spend to the cap floor.
- Lunaion

Sabres are going to ruin ur winter
Don't let them ruin ur summer to
- Anderdog

No they won't. They'll be fun to watch, and watch grow.

How anyone in their right mind can say a team with Thompson, Tuch, Skinner, Krebs, Cozens, Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson, Quinn and JJ is going to ruin their winter is beyond me.

You guys are acting like we're still in the days of D'Agostino, Omark and sh!t players like that.

I'm sure this is partially what they're thinking but it it's completely bassackwards.

"We have to have cap space in case we get good" is not a plan to actually get good. Get good first.

This plan also allows them to hit the 3 E's under the guise of "diligent team building"
- Hank Balling

Hank, last season and this upcoming season the directive most certainly appears to be conserve cash while Revenues are expected to take quite the hit.
I can't really blame them for not wanting to lose $40m per.

This season is transitional as they will be better, more competitive and exciting while slowly building back the fan base with paying customers growing. I suspect the goal will be to compete and continue to develop...allowing for the final evaluation to cement themselves before making the necessary moves.

'23-'24 will see them continue to increase the paying customers and seriously compete for a playoff position...maybe crawl back to losing say $15 m.
Getting to the playoffs with a full house for to maximize revenues will be key from there on out.

No they won't. They'll be fun to watch, and watch grow.

How anyone in their right mind can say a team with Thompson, Tuch, Skinner, Krebs, Cozens, Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson, Quinn and JJ is going to ruin their winter is beyond me.

You guys are acting like we're still in the days of D'Agostino, Omark and sh!t players like that.
- Powerslave

Forgot the sarcasm emoji
It's June 11
Make my decision in October

Hank, last season and this upcoming season the directive most certainly appears to be conserve cash while Revenues are expected to take quite the hit.
I can't really blame them for not wanting to lose $40m per.

This season is transitional as they will be better, more competitive and exciting while slowly building back the fan base with paying customers growing. I suspect the goal will be to compete and continue to develop...allowing for the final evaluation to cement themselves before making the necessary moves.

'23-'24 will see them continue to increase the paying customers and seriously compete for a playoff position...maybe crawl back to losing say $15 m.
Getting to the playoffs with a full house for to maximize revenues will be key from there on out.
- IonSabres

I'd argue that's a backwards way of approaching the season and a self-fulfilling prophecy. Get a goalie and get good and the revenue will sort itself out as people will want to invest their time and money in the Sabres.

They're operating from the idea that they have to be mediocre/bad this season which isn't the case at all

It also seems like 90% of the media (with the exception of Jeremy White) is buying the idea that a team that finished 24th this year and last last year will have so many good players that they won't be able to pay them all. That's magical thinking

I'd argue that's a backwards way of approaching the season and a self-fulfilling prophecy. Get a goalie and get good and the revenue will sort itself out as people will want to invest their time and money in the Sabres.

They're operating from the idea that they have to be mediocre/bad this season which isn't the case at all

It also seems like 90% of the media (with the exception of Jeremy White) is buying the idea that a team that finished 24th this year and last last year will have so many good players that they won't be able to pay them all. That's magical thinking
- Hank Balling

Imagine what you could do to last year's team with Boychuk's 6m.

I'm shocked at how many people are fine spending below the floor 2 straight seasons.

I'd argue that's a backwards way of approaching the season and a self-fulfilling prophecy. Get a goalie and get good and the revenue will sort itself out as people will want to invest their time and money in the Sabres.

They're operating from the idea that they have to be mediocre/bad this season which isn't the case at all

It also seems like 90% of the media (with the exception of Jeremy White) is buying the idea that a team that finished 24th this year and last last year will have so many good players that they won't be able to pay them all. That's magical thinking
- Hank Balling

The handwriting is on the wall and they are not shy about telling everyone what there plan is.
Kevyn has stated it multiple times in plain English and now the tea leaves are spelling it out in spades.

I doubt if they spent the money to bring in several players the season ticket holders would magically go from 5k to 19k overnight...rather it will build over time during the season ... getting to 15k consistently by seasons end would be quite the accomplishment, IMO. Some former STH have hard ons for the org...they ain't coming back fast.

It is all timing it right ... plain as day to me.

Arizona is much better at selling off their cap space. We could learn from them.
- Lunaion

Arizona was (frank)ing bad and have hardly any good young players. You wanna be (frank)ing bad without any actual future? Go grab some second round picks for loui Eriksson et al.

The handwriting is on the wall and they are not shy about telling everyone what there plan is.
Kevyn has stated it multiple times in plain English and now the tea leaves are spelling it out in spades.

I doubt if they spent the money to bring in several players the season ticket holders would magically go from 5k to 19k overnight...rather it will build over time during the season ... getting to 15k consistently by seasons end would be quite the accomplishment, IMO. Some former STH have hard ons for the org...they ain't coming back fast.

It is all timing it right ... plain as day to me.
- IonSabres

Again, I would say that refusing to upgrade your team because not enough people support it is a backwards way of approaching things. Get good and revenue isn't a problem.

It's not magic. Make a commitment to winning