It gets worse the following 2 seasons with those Buyouts increasing.
They should be looking at shedding Cap a bit.
- IonSabres

Buyouts increasing, losing Hartman if Fiala or Dumba is kept (basically have to choose one of the 3) as Boldy will need at least a bridge deal that year 2nd year, as well as Rossi. Gotta think beyond just one year when 14M is scrapped off the top in 2 and 3 years.

I could see an olo for puljuj trade.

Not sure if that helps the Sabres though , unless they couldn't come to a reasonable deal with olo?

Problem then. How much $ does Edmonton have to sign him? Especially if he out prices himself ...
- Boss34

I didn't mean an Olo for Pool Party trade, just that Olo might be the casualty. Meaning Olo would be traded elsewhere, for D/G. Oilers are going to need cheaper contracts then both Olo and Pool Party so wouldn't make sense for them.

I didn't mean an Olo for Pool Party trade, just that Olo might be the casualty. Meaning Olo would be traded elsewhere, for D/G. Oilers are going to need cheaper contracts then both Olo and Pool Party so wouldn't make sense for them.
- SDSabre

Ok. That's fair.

🌮 mentioned using olo for a D4 and some picks and prospects for pool man. I could get behind that.

Sabres need to get bigger and tougher to play against up front. Especially for any playoff Hope's.

Ok. That's fair.

🌮 mentioned using olo for a D4 and some picks and prospects for pool man. I could get behind that.

Sabres need to get bigger and tougher to play against up front. Especially for any playoff Hope's.
- Boss34

Lawson Crouse

Not necessarily for next season, but Hartman and Boldy will need a raise or walk (Obviously just Hartman) as well. Losing two 30 goal scorers in back to back seasons doesn't seem like good business. After Zucc's 6 come off it's a bit easier.
- SDSabre

Dumba's $6M cap hit is off the books after this season.

I threw a bunch of low grade contracts into the lineup for the Wild and it gives them about 5M in space. If you're not getting rid of Dumba, maybe you're getting rid of Kulikov and that 7M is just enough for Fiala. His replacement would take up 750k so you're still at like 6+. Not shedding Dumba or Brodin, it's exceptionally difficult to remain competitive and keep Fiala. Maybe they shed Talbot, call in a vet minimum to play with Wallstedt.

Following Billy G's conversations, it sounded pretty grim that it would be possible. Any time a GM even mentions the idea of getting the agents involved in a possible trade, that's it. He might as well be saying He Gone.
- TheSabresTaco

You think $7M per will be enough to sign Fiala when he's predicted to get $8M to $9M per?

Lawson Crouse
- Buff36

Drafting Gauthier and McGroarty could go a long way to solving that issue long term.

Lawson Crouse
- Buff36

This could fit the "likes buffalo" ...

Lawson is from ontario I believe.

Probably still trending up.

I like this move. what are you thinking in return?

1- why do u like Puljujarvi so much?

2- what forward comes out of the projected lineup?
Are u trading someone or keeping one of the kids in Roch?
- jdfitz77

speed and talent

as for the lineup in the fall, way too early to figure out what they are going to do

we are better with him in the lineup then bjork, so there is that


he would be, by all accounts a buy low guy

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/wild

Just over $7M in cap space for next season with 1 goaltender, 7 defensemen, and 10 forwards already signed. 11 forwards if you include Rossi, which seems logical.

They're trading Fiala by all accounts.

If they want to keep him, Dumba will be on his way out.

Do they really have big cap issues for next season based on the above? Doesn't seem like they do.
- kingcong39

they have issues for 3 years not just this summer

in 23-24 and 24-25 they are paying 2 more mil to parise and suter, close to 15 mil total for those years

speed and talent

as for the lineup in the fall, way too early to figure out what they are going to do

we are better with him in the lineup then bjork, so there is that


he would be, by all accounts a buy low guy
- homiedclown

Good post

I think pool guy could be a bit of a late bloomer too?

Some of his development was slow

speed and talent

as for the lineup in the fall, way too early to figure out what they are going to do

we are better with him in the lineup then bjork, so there is that


he would be, by all accounts a buy low guy
- homiedclown

Bjork is projecting to be our 13th forward at this point
Currently looks something like:
Skinner-Tage-Tuch
Krebs-Cozens-Olofsson
Quinn-Mitts-Peterka
Asplund-Girgs-Okposo
Bjork

So while I’m not against getting Puljujarvi *IF he’s cheap*
It tough to see where he fits in & who goes to make room

This could fit the "likes buffalo" ...

Lawson is from ontario I believe.

Probably still trending up.

I like this move. what are you thinking in return?
- Boss34

Rumor last year was a 2nd and prospect, he just popped 20 goals. 2022 2nd Kisakov or Johnson

Drafting Gauthier and McGroarty could go a long way to solving that issue long term.
- kingcong39

Very true

Dumba's $6M cap hit is off the books after this season.
- kingcong39

Indeed it is, if they let him go. Guerin is making it sound like he intends to keep him. My point was your choice basically boils down to one of: Dumba, Fiala, or Hartman (possibly able to keep Hartman, but he did just have 34 goals, and will be the last time he can cash in on a contract at age 28). Don't kid yourself into thinking their situation isn't that bad. It is.

He's a natural RW, while most of our current NHL players are natural LWs. Admittedly, our pipeline of natural RWs is very stocked (current would be Tuch, Quinn, with Rosen, Nadeau, Rousek and JJP is equally good on either side). If Olo can get us that G/D target, Pool Party could be a fit.
- SDSabre

I understand why you're saying, but I wouldn't be enamored with bringing in a guy who produced 3rd line numbers playing with the best player in the world.
I would postulate that his production would inevitably fall, so what do you end up with?

I just dont think they need to bring in a RW, they can resign Vinnie for less for 1 season and get roughly the same, rather than a likely multiyear deal with POOLboy.

I just can't rationalize it myself.

Buyouts increasing, losing Hartman if Fiala or Dumba is kept (basically have to choose one of the 3) as Boldy will need at least a bridge deal that year 2nd year, as well as Rossi. Gotta think beyond just one year when 14M is scrapped off the top in 2 and 3 years.
- SDSabre

Gotta get through the 3 years first.

Bjork is projecting to be our 13th forward at this point
Currently looks something like:
Skinner-Tage-Tuch
Krebs-Cozens-Olofsson
Quinn-Mitts-Peterka
Asplund-Girgs-Okposo
Bjork

So while I’m not against getting Puljujarvi *IF he’s cheap*
It tough to see where he fits in & who goes to make room
- jdfitz77

Only the bolded are locks though. Olo for contract reasons, management might want to slow play Quinn and Peterka.

As for the roster guys, top 5 are obvious, as well as the bottom line. Bjork is untradable, so why bother.

Only the bolded are locks though. Olo for contract reasons, management might want to slow play Quinn and Peterka.

As for the roster guys, top 5 are obvious, as well as the bottom line. Bjork is untradable, so why bother.
- SDSabre

A buyout would save them $1.2m in real money, and it would only cost 200k against the cap this season. 300k next season

I understand why you're saying, but I wouldn't be enamored with bringing in a guy who produced 3rd line numbers playing with the best player in the world.
I would postulate that his production would inevitably fall, so what do you end up with?

I just dont think they need to bring in a RW, they can resign Vinnie for less for 1 season and get roughly the same, rather than a likely multiyear deal with POOLboy.

I just can't rationalize it myself.
- IonSabres

Is he actually just the bigger Bjork we've been hearing about? It would all hinge on acquisition cost for sure. Late bloomer potential, and some guys just don't mesh with others even if they are elite players (look at Olo with and without Eichel at even strength. Maybe Olo is actually really good, but just floated because he didn't know what to do with Eichel wanting the puck, and rightfully so). I think anyone advocating for it is with an understanding that the acquisition cost is low, and the contract is a trial basis. Totally understand the sentiment against as well.

A buyout would save them $1.2m in real money, and it would only cost 200k against the cap this season. 300k next season
- Hank Balling

Not against it, he's the definition of a 13th forward though. Would rather keep his full cap hit this year (need to get to the cap anyways).

Only the bolded are locks though. Olo for contract reasons, management might want to slow play Quinn and Peterka.

As for the roster guys, top 5 are obvious, as well as the bottom line. Bjork is untradable, so why bother.
- SDSabre

So Puljujarvi in & Olofsson traded?
Or do u keep one of Peterka/Quinn in the AHL to start?

I’m not saying it’s impossible
But i don’t see a clear spot for him to slide into either
Quinn & Peterka seem ready to get a shot
And I’m not gonna assume Olofsson gets traded till he actually does

So Puljujarvi in & Olofsson traded?
Or do u keep one of Peterka/Quinn in the AHL to start?

I’m not saying it’s impossible
But i don’t see a clear spot for him to slide into either
Quinn & Peterka seem ready to get a shot
And I’m not gonna assume Olofsson gets traded till he actually does
- jdfitz77

All of it is speculation, but any of the mentioned are possibilities. And one of them would have to happen if a trade for Pool Party occurs.

Again, it's a buy low scenario, which is always more appealing then paying top dollar. While you say not impossible, I also say long shot. Just throwing out the ideas and putting in the conceptual work.

Rumor last year was a 2nd and prospect, he just popped 20 goals. 2022 2nd Kisakov or Johnson
- Buff36

This team could use a couple "tweeks" and not gmtm the rebuild. I could get behind this type of hockey trade 👍

Skinner Tallness Tuch
Krebs Mitts Olofsson/Quinn
Crouse Cozens Peterka
Asplund Girgs/Quinn Okposo
🏃🏃🏃🏃