I would say they would be worse, look where they are man. It’s about a team, you are fixated on one player. It’s not the same dynamic if they keep him. - ClaudeFather
You can't tell someone that you're trying to make them understand and then label a player like Buchnevich as a luxury. Someone making that statement is who doesn't understand. - MJL
Well youre completely dismissing what I’m saying lol
Kravtsov was in the picture at the time of the trade and has a lot to do with it. Very large part of the decision that you’re dismissing
Blais would be a large part of the team if he were healthy, so a different role than Buch had..and quite frankly a more important one. They also had the ability to trade for wingers at the deadline to make up for Buchs production if need be. Enter Vatrano Copp and Motte
The thought that Buchnevich > Copp is a joke. Copp can play LW, RW, C. He can play PP, PK. He can play on the first line or in a third line role if needed. He gives you versatility and depth that Buch does not provide. - rangerdanger94
Flyers have a few players like that. Can move up and down the lineup. They aren't better than a 30 goal point per game player.
Copp has 10 PP goals in 8 NHL seasons. 12 PP assists in his career.
Role players can play on the PK. Copp had a strong season and is a good player. He isn't better than Buchnevich.
Well youre completely dismissing what I’m saying lol
Kravtsov was in the picture at the time of the trade and has a lot to do with it. Very large part of the decision that you’re dismissing
Blais would be a large part of the team if he were healthy, so a different role than Buch had..and quite frankly a more important one. They also had the ability to trade for wingers at the deadline to make up for Buchs production if need be. Enter Vatrano Copp and Motte - Slimtj100
Still not convincing me. Blais is a mediocre player. Definitely not more important to a team.
So make a bad deal in trading Buchnevich and then trade 2 2nd rounders for a forward to add more scoring. Makes sense.
The Rangers have done a brilliant job overall along with some luck. In the decision making involving Buchnevich. Not so much.
I would say they would be worse, look where they are man. It’s about a team, you are fixated on one player. It’s not the same dynamic if they keep him. - ClaudeFather
There is no substance in your post. I'm not fixated on one player. You're not paying attention.
There is no such thing in the NHL as a redundant point per game player or close to it. The Rangers went out and paid two 2nd round picks for a lesser player in Copp. Copp seems to be fitting in well so he can help mitigate that loss. Doesn't change that Drury made an awful deal.
You don't move a player like Buchnevich to overpay for a player like Goodrow in free agency. Don't overpay for grit and loose borderline elite skill to do it. Also no need for a player like Reaves. Don't overpay for 4th line players. Especially when they don't contribute in other ways. No need for a "protection" player in today's NHL
I want to be clear to Rangers fans. Overall, Rangers management, both this version and the previous GM have done a fantastic job in developing their team. They haven't come close to their potential apex if a few players break out. Which it seems like they're on the verge of. Win or lose in this playoff run, this team has taken steps forward. The future is sparkling and I wish the team I root for had the same competence. I just don't like a few moves they've made. - MJL
I’d be happy with either but you have to at least entertain that JG doesn’t take Comcast to the cleaners because he’s a hometown boy. A) if it’s that important to Johnny he may not demand from Philly what he could get from the open market…or B) he flips it and knows how happy it would make the fan base (to get a 100+ point player) and rake it in. - black_francis
are you starting to waffle that JG is signing here
They brought in Copp who is getting more ice time than the kids. That ice time could've gone to Buchnevich. So that doesn't hold water. Goodrow is not a terrific player. He's a solid 3rd line winger. My argument is that you don't move high level skill to accommodate that kind of player. Agreed on Reaves and Blais. - MJL
I’ve been watching Goodrow since his SJ days. He’s outstanding. You say he’s a 3rd liner but he and his line mates got 2nd line minutes last playoffs. TB doesn’t win that Cup without him and his line. Copp is underrated. Copp largely had a defensive role on that Jets team that had great talent up front. Pretty sure they wanted a guy with size and grit and a 1st for Buch. The best they could do was Blais and a 2nd. They could have kicked the can down the road and tried to get more for Buch in the next year or two. But then the time to make a good deal has a smaller window and other teams know that.
Teams need bottom six guys as well. Trades are made for the impact they have on a team - not their individual stats post trade. Not saying it was a great move, but there is more to hockey than scoring goals. You need everything. Back checking and hitting are incredibly important. - Joe Nardone
Correct! Good teams have a little bit of everything. Hitting is still part of the game and the Flyers haven't shown much physicality in years. (Cue the RR haters who will remind us that he goes for the big hit and it takes him out of the play so physicality is overrated).
That's narrow minded thinking. As if there is no possibility that they could be better if they didn't trade Buchnevich. I propose that they would be. At the very least, get good value for the player.
Since you want to give it a rest. Why are you still commenting on it - MJL
I swear MJL is just a bad guy wrestler/Chris Gaines figure in Meltzer’s blogs to drive up hits…don’t you know that trying to be right all the time in a message board is a red flag for being a loser?
I swear MJL is just a bad guy wrestler/Chris Gaines figure in Meltzer’s blogs to drive up hits…don’t you know that trying to be right all the time in a message board is a red flag for being a loser? - black_francis
Lol you may be on to something! I was thinking about starting a drinking game and having a beer every time he posts about how right he is, but then realized I couldn't afford it, nor could I keep up.
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The rangers would have zero center depth if they extended Buch. Could they have gotten a slightly better return? Maybe, but I think the fact that they accepted Blais + 2nd goes to show how much they valued Blais, who was great until his injury for us. The trade looks more lopsided now because of the injury but what if Blais played all year and potted 20? I guess we’ll find out next year. - rangerdanger94
Ranger's never rebuilt. They successfully retooled. They made the playoffs from 2011-2017. Over that time they retooled their lineup. They never bottomed out. There was a small gap before some of their picks came to fruition but they moved guys out who werent apart of their future and brought in new players.
Only 6 players on that team were drafted: Kreider, Chytil, Laf, Kakko, Miller and Shesterkin. The rest of the team were acquired in trades or FA signing.
They made smart moves acquiring Trouba, Fox, Strome and Zibanejad. They won all these trades and these all play a big part in the team now. Not to mention signing Panarin as FA.
Even what the Flyers did under Hextall was not a rebuild. Hextall looked for trades to get younger but for the most part he tried keeping the team competitive. We never bottomed out, we continued to build around Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds. Hextall never touched the core of the Flyers aside from trading Schenn. - xShoot4WarAmpsx
And I was right there saying they’d never win g/Jake as they weren’t elite like some other teams.
Also said they’d never win with coots. (Not elite either)
Alright I’ve been quiet on this daily debate about rangers. Gotta chime in…
1) the rangers absolutely did NOT REBUILD. you don’t rebuild with a hall of fame handsome hank. They retooled.
2) yes they absolutely lucked into some high picks
3) they did make some questionable moves (buch) but understandable why they made them and absolutely reasonable
4) the most important thing is having players that choose to sign there and made clear they were destination #1.
The rangers hit a period in time of a skilled AND lucky rebuild not should NEVER be a plan or expected or tried. The odds are just to against it and ALMOST guaranteed to fail.
5) rangers fans should be over the moon to have the run they had with hank and move right into this new era. Well done ny👍🏻
Philly can piss off with aggressive retool and bias for action and a huge 🖕to gritty propaganda money grab.
(frank)ing loserville philly team
You can't tell someone that you're trying to make them understand and then label a player like Buchnevich as a luxury. Someone making that statement is who doesn't understand. - MJL
You are wrong about this just like you were wrong when you said Rangers shouldnt trade their 1st rd pick as they were not contenders.
Alright I’ve been quiet on this daily debate about rangers. Gotta chime in…
1) the rangers absolutely did NOT REBUILD. you don’t rebuild with a hall of fame handsome hank. They retooled.
2) yes they absolutely lucked into some high picks
3) they did make some questionable moves (buch) but understandable why they made them and absolutely reasonable
4) the most important thing is having players that choose to sign there and made clear they were destination #1.
The rangers hit a period in time of a skilled AND lucky rebuild not should NEVER be a plan or expected or tried. The odds are just to against it and ALMOST guaranteed to fail.
5) rangers fans should be over the moon to have the run they had with hank and move right into this new era. Well done ny👍🏻
Philly can piss off with aggressive retool and bias for action and a huge 🖕to gritty propaganda money grab.
(frank)ing loserville philly team - Stayin alive
Regarding point #1..Part of the rebuild was buying Hank out...very difficult thing to do
Correct! Good teams have a little bit of everything. Hitting is still part of the game and the Flyers haven't shown much physicality in years. (Cue the RR haters who will remind us that he goes for the big hit and it takes him out of the play so physicality is overrated). - Don Nachbaur
No that's not correct. You have the improper nuance. It's not that physicality is overrated. It's that Ristolainen's physicality is overrated. Simply because he is not effective with it.
You are wrong about this just like you were wrong when you said Rangers shouldnt trade their 1st rd pick as they were not contenders. - hfc355
The Rangers didn't trade their first round pick. Which would've been a mistake. I still don't think they're going to beat TB. The context of my point is that the Rangers are the team of the future and they should keep adding to their already strong stable of young players. That it was not yet time to go for it.
