Did a child hack into your account?
- MJL

Really? This is all you got? What's next, breaking into "My mommy and your mommy where hanging out the clothes ...."?

true, the Flyers do not have the cap space to sign difference makers, but even Fletcher stated that the best way to acquire top end talent is through the draft and that is what the Flyers need to do. They have a top 5 pick this year, and if they play their cards right the Flyers will have a top 10 pick next with a deeper draft. That means two players with top-end potential to augment the current roster. Plus players like Hart, York and Farabee are only going to get better. Then you got a solid group of younger players like Brink, Foerster, Cates, etc. Maybe one of these players pops, you never know. Things are no where close to as doom and gloom as they seem.
- jd250

Why didn't Fletcher adhere to this philosophy before this off season? If he even approaches it as you think he will. Which I doubt.

Unless they get a bunch of injuries again to bail them out. The Flyers are in the worst possible position an NHL team can be in.

Really? This is all you got? What's next, breaking into "My mommy and your mommy where hanging out the clothes ...."?
- jd250

Tell JD250 to change his password.

There are only 4 players on their roster tdy that were on the roster when the letter was sent out. Kreider. Zibanejad..Georgiev and Chytil. They have rebuilt almost the entire roster since they sent out the letter
- hfc355

When you read the moves the Rangers made from 2014 until now it is probably the plan Hextall should have followed. Instead of singing JVR, he should have used Simmonds career year to turn it into a big haul to build with. His contract was solid and he scored 30 goals.

So while I thought what Hextall was doing was a good approach it was still flawed in a way.

Why didn't Fletcher adhere to this philosophy before this off season? If he even approaches it as you think he will. Which I doubt.

Unless they get a bunch of injuries again to bail them out. The Flyers are in the worst possible position an NHL team can be in.
- MJL

No there not. They at least have a stadium compared to playing on a college campus like the yotes.

Shesterkin was drafted in 2014. That was the start.
- MJL

Ah the all-knowing hockey expert on all things hockey talking in absolutes per usual. You’re shot. The rebuild started when they traded McDonagh just as he was entering his prime. Shesterkin was just part of the foundation that happened to be here.

The rangers signed Dan Boyle in 2014. They traded for Marty St Louis in 2014. They signed Dan Girardi to a 6 year extension in 2014. They extended Zuccarello and Marc Staal in 2015. Does that sound like moves a rebuilding team would make?

Why didn't Fletcher adhere to this philosophy before this off season? If he even approaches it as you think he will. Which I doubt.

Unless they get a bunch of injuries again to bail them out. The Flyers are in the worst possible position an NHL team can be in.
- MJL

When you say the team is in the worst possible position to be in, are you referring strictly to their cap space? Or are you also projecting that their highest priced players will continue to be injured or regress further?

There are only 4 players on their roster tdy that were on the roster when the letter was sent out. Kreider. Zibanejad..Georgiev and Chytil. They have rebuilt almost the entire roster since they sent out the letter
- hfc355

The big ballsy move was trading Mcdonagh and JT Miller. Mcdonagh was in his prime…at 28. Miller was a gifted 25 year old forward. That all happened in 2018…fans were really upset but the management sent that letter you referred to. It would be like the Flyers trading Provy and Konecny today….the Rangers keyed on some young guys to keep and moved on from everyone else. Their rebuild/retool took 4 years…solid drafting and developing, and a couple really good FA signings. Yes they got a little lucky in there as well but it shows it can be done with the proper people in place making the decisions.

Only 2 of their key players were on the roster at the time of the letter.
- hfc355

Shesterkin was drafted in 2014 #1 goalie
Krieder was drafted in 2009 50 goal top line winger
Zibanejad was acquired in 2016 #1 center
Chytil was drafted in 2017 3rd on the team in goals in the playoffs.
K'andre Miller 2nd on the team in ice time was drafted with a pick acquired in a trade made in 2017

That's 5 key players on the team that were acquired directly or with assets that were acquired before 2018

Ah the all-knowing hockey expert on all things hockey talking in absolutes per usual. You’re shot. The rebuild started when they traded McDonagh just as he was entering his prime. Shesterkin was just part of the foundation that happened to be here.

The rangers signed Dan Boyle in 2014. They traded for Marty St Louis in 2014. They signed Dan Girardi to a 6 year extension in 2014. They extended Zuccarello and Marc Staal in 2015. Does that sound like moves a rebuilding team would make?
- rangerdanger94

Exactly….They were able to get out from those moves in 2014…and as an organization have done a fantastic job with the rebuild that became obvious to them in 2017-18 season.

The big ballsy move was trading Mcdonagh and JT Miller. Mcdonagh was in his prime…at 28. Miller was a gifted 25 year old forward. That all happened in 2018…fans were really upset but the management sent that letter you referred to. It would be like the Flyers trading Provy and Konecny today….the Rangers keyed on some young guys to keep and moved on from everyone else. Their rebuild/retool took 4 years…solid drafting and developing, and a couple really good FA signings. Yes they got a little lucky in there as well but it shows it can be done with the proper people in place making the decisions.
- landros 2

The rangers got extremely lucky that Panarin and Fox chose to join New York, and that we were given the opportunity to draft Kakko and Laf. But they did also hit on a lot of other draft picks such as Igor, Miller, Chytil, etc.

Drury also made some extremely savvy trades/signings to round out the roster of skill/youth with missing pieces like acquiring Reaves and Goodrow and getting rid of redundant players like Buchnevich, who they were able to turn around the return for at the deadline for Copp who is now one of our best forwards, which allowed the rangers to give more ice time to guys like Kakko/Laf who are now thriving.

Ah the all-knowing hockey expert on all things hockey talking in absolutes per usual. You’re shot. The rebuild started when they traded McDonagh just as he was entering his prime. Shesterkin was just part of the foundation that happened to be here.

The rangers signed Dan Boyle in 2014. They traded for Marty St Louis in 2014. They signed Dan Girardi to a 6 year extension in 2014. They extended Zuccarello and Marc Staal in 2015. Does that sound like moves a rebuilding team would make?
- rangerdanger94

Yeah a 4th rd pick in 2014 was the start of the rebuild????Your losing credibility. Rebuild started in Feb 2018

When you say the team is in the worst possible position to be in, are you referring strictly to their cap space? Or are you also projecting that their highest priced players will continue to be injured or regress further?
- jd250

I'm referring to the team's current position.

The rangers got extremely lucky that Panarin and Fox chose to join New York, and that we were given the opportunity to draft Kakko and Laf. But they did also hit on a lot of other draft picks such as Igor, Miller, Chytil, etc.

Drury also made some extremely savvy trades/signings to round out the roster of skill/youth with missing pieces like acquiring Reaves and Goodrow and getting rid of redundant players like Buchnevich, who they were able to turn around the return for at the deadline for Copp who is now one of our best forwards, which allowed the rangers to give more ice time to guys like Kakko/Laf who are now thriving.
- rangerdanger94

Plus the traded for guys like Zibanejad..Lindgren..Trouba..Fox..Strome while giving up virtually nothing for all of them

The rangers got extremely lucky that Panarin and Fox chose to join New York, and that we were given the opportunity to draft Kakko and Laf. But they did also hit on a lot of other draft picks such as Igor, Miller, Chytil, etc.

Drury also made some extremely savvy trades/signings to round out the roster of skill/youth with missing pieces like acquiring Reaves and Goodrow and getting rid of redundant players like Buchnevich, who they were able to turn around the return for at the deadline for Copp who is now one of our best forwards, which allowed the rangers to give more ice time to guys like Kakko/Laf who are now thriving.
- rangerdanger94

Your calling other people hockey experts in jest while labeling Buchnevich as a redundant player.
Acquiring Goodrow and paying him that money was a mistake. As was adding Reaves. The Buchnevich trade was a colossal blunder. Other than that, Dury and mostly his predecessor have done a really good job. If players like Kakko, Lafreniere and Chytil blossom. They'll be the kings of the league.

The rangers got extremely lucky that Panarin and Fox chose to join New York, and that we were given the opportunity to draft Kakko and Laf. But they did also hit on a lot of other draft picks such as Igor, Miller, Chytil, etc.

Drury also made some extremely savvy trades/signings to round out the roster of skill/youth with missing pieces like acquiring Reaves and Goodrow and getting rid of redundant players like Buchnevich, who they were able to turn around the return for at the deadline for Copp who is now one of our best forwards, which allowed the rangers to give more ice time to guys like Kakko/Laf who are now thriving.
- rangerdanger94

Ya really….Igor was a 4th rnd pick….they have done a great job and besides being a really talented team are fun to watch.

Shesterkin was drafted in 2014 #1 goalie
Krieder was drafted in 2009 50 goal top line winger
Zibanejad was acquired in 2016 #1 center
Chytil was drafted in 2017 3rd on the team in goals in the playoffs.
K'andre Miller 2nd on the team in ice time was drafted with a pick acquired in a trade made in 2017

That's 5 key players on the team that were acquired directly or with assets that were acquired before 2018
- MJL

Miller was drafted in 2018...Shesterkin was a 4th rd pick no one expected him to be their #1 guy. The rebuild started 4 yrs ago

Miller was drafted in 2018...Shesterkin was a 4th rd pick no one expected him to be their #1 guy. The rebuild started 4 yrs ago
- hfc355

Without those 5 players, the Rangers aren't what they are. Read what I posted in regards to Miller. It started long before 2018. That's a fact.

It goes to show that building to a team to true contention level takes longer than what the perception is sometimes.

Your calling other people hockey experts in jest while labeling Buchnevich as a redundant player.
Acquiring Goodrow and paying him that money was a mistake. As was adding Reaves. The Buchnevich trade was a colossal blunder. Other than that, Dury and mostly his predecessor have done a really good job. If players like Kakko, Lafreniere and Chytil blossom. They'll be the kings of the league.
- MJL

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Goodrow and Reaves were not mistakes they were exactly what their team needed. Buchnevich was traded out of necessity they couldnt pay him and got what they could. If they had Buch and didnt have Goodrow and Reaves they wouldn't be where they are tdy. Buchnevich is an excellent player but once they committed $ to Kreider and Zibanejad they couldnt afford him

Your calling other people hockey experts in jest while labeling Buchnevich as a redundant player.
Acquiring Goodrow and paying him that money was a mistake. As was adding Reaves. The Buchnevich trade was a colossal blunder. Other than that, Dury and mostly his predecessor have done a really good job. If players like Kakko, Lafreniere and Chytil blossom. They'll be the kings of the league.
- MJL

Laf/Kakko/Chytil on their ELCs don’t get an opportunity to blossom if Buchnevich is here eating up 15-20 minutes of ice time a night.

The Buchnevich return helped acquire Copp. Copp > Buchnevich alone and if we had Sammy Blais…the team would be that much deeper.

The rangers have 13.5 mil going into this summer to sign 5 forwards, 2 defensemen and a backup. The forward we need to sign include one of Strome/Copp as 2C who alone will eat up 6.5-7mm+ at least and Kakko as well. It was not possible to keep Buch at 5.8 mil. The rangers chose to let Kakko/Laf take his spot with cheaper contracts and put that 5.8 towards retaining Strome/Copp as 2C. That’s what I don’t think you get.

Drury’s goal was clear. Acquire grit that has Stanley cup winning experience. Goodrow, Blais both won cups. Reaves has a ton of playoff experience. Those are the moves you make to turn your team into a contender when they are young and inexperienced. Young and inexperienced teams that just have soft skill players up and down their lineup end up like Toronto or Carolina.

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Goodrow and Reaves were not mistakes they were exactly what their team needed. Buchnevich was traded out of necessity they couldnt pay him and got what they could. If they had Buch and didnt have Goodrow and Reaves they wouldn't be where they are tdy. Buchnevich is an excellent player but once they committed $ to Kreider and Zibanejad they couldnt afford him
- hfc355

Disagree. They have zero need for Reaves and Goodrow is an overpayment for what he brings. We've had this argument previously. They absolutely could've paid Buchnevich. They chose not to. So if they had a borderline elite forward in Buchnevich instead of Goodrow and Reaves, they wouldn't be where they are today? That's pretty funny. Even if what you said was true cap wise, which it's not, you don't make that deal and the horrendous return they received for Buchnevich.

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Goodrow and Reaves were not mistakes they were exactly what their team needed. Buchnevich was traded out of necessity they couldnt pay him and got what they could. If they had Buch and didnt have Goodrow and Reaves they wouldn't be where they are tdy. Buchnevich is an excellent player but once they committed $ to Kreider and Zibanejad they couldnt afford him
- hfc355

Can’t keep all good players sometimes, not in a cap era. You have to build a “team”. That includes guys like Goodrow and Reaves. I mean look how good JT Miller is now. If they go on to win a cup this year or in the next couple I’m sure no Ranger fan will give a poop about Buchnevich or JT Miller.

Laf/Kakko/Chytil on their ELCs don’t get an opportunity to blossom if Buchnevich is here eating up 15-20 minutes of ice time a night.

The Buchnevich return helped acquire Copp. Copp > Buchnevich alone and if we had Sammy Blais…the team would be that much deeper.


- rangerdanger94

Sure they would've. In the same way they are now with Copp there. Copp is no where near as good as Buchnevich. It's not close.

The rangers have 13.5 mil going into this summer to sign 5 forwards, 2 defensemen and a backup. The forward we need to sign include one of Strome/Copp as 2C who alone will eat up 6.5-7mm+ at least and Kakko as well. It was not possible to keep Buch at 5.8 mil. The rangers chose to let Kakko/Laf take his spot with cheaper contracts and put that 5.8 towards retaining Strome/Copp as 2C. That’s what I don’t think you get.


- rangerdanger94

Easy choice between choosing Buchnevich or Strome. Buchnevich is better and you have young players ready to move up to replace Strome.

Drury’s goal was clear. Acquire grit that has Stanley cup winning experience. Goodrow, Blais both won cups. Reaves has a ton of playoff experience. Those are the moves you make to turn your team into a contender when they are young and inexperienced. Young and inexperienced teams that just have soft skill players up and down their lineup end up like Toronto or Carolina.
- rangerdanger94

Drury made a mistake. You never take a bad return for a skilled player like Buchnevich to add mediocre grit. That's awful asset management.

In a perfect world, the Flyers would stay out of UFA, but since they're not gonna do that, I'd rather they go all in on Forsberg than anybody else. He's not undersized, plays that 200-ft game that won't get him benched by whatever hardass coach the Flyers hire next, and he would probably gel with Coots or Hayes.
- Tomahawk

They might. The Retool is supposed to be 2-3 years, they dont have to make a FA splash this year. They will probably be in a better position to make a signing next season. Theres a lot of potential big names out there next offseason.

Patrick Kane
Bo Horvat
Dumba
Larkin
Mackinnon
Pastranak
Patches
Ryan O'Reilly
JT Miller

Yea chances are some names like Mackinnon and Pastranak likely re-sign but you never know

Shesterkin was drafted in 2014. That was the start.
- MJL

So their rebuild started when they drafted a goalie in the 4th round of 2014 draft. You are a fraud.

He wasn't even the first goalie they drafted.