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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 12:28 PM ET
Filip Forsberg is the biggest difference maker available in UFA, and only one worth getting in cap trouble over, IMO.
- Tomahawk


I'd put Gaudreau ahead of him but I don't want the Flyers to go after either player.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jun 2 @ 12:34 PM ET
I'd put Gaudreau ahead of him but I don't want the Flyers to go after either player.
- MJL


If the flyers don't pursue some free agents, then they should look at getting rid of some their players.

No sense in keeping Couts and Hayes, and not trying to get better. That's the hextall plan and we know how well that worked out for us.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 2 @ 12:42 PM ET
The goaltending in 2010 was probably one of the worst matchups ever
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 2 @ 12:45 PM ET
Filip Forsberg is the biggest difference maker available in UFA, and the only one worth getting in cap trouble over, IMO.
- Tomahawk

He always seems to get hurt, never long term but misses games. Can’t see his contract aging well.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 2 @ 12:52 PM ET
If the flyers don't pursue some free agents, then they should look at getting rid of some their players.

No sense in keeping Couts and Hayes, and not trying to get better. That's the hextall plan and we know how well that worked out for us.

- bradster

Cant trade ex selke. Need to keep him around to help groom the young players the next 5 years. Then by year 6 hope they can contend.....

If had to keep one of Hayes or ex selke who do you keep?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 2 @ 12:57 PM ET
Cant trade ex selke. Need to keep him around to help groom the young players the next 5 years. Then by year 6 hope they can contend.....

If had to keep one of Hayes or ex selke who do you keep?

- hello it's me 2050


I know your not a fan of Couturier but I would keep him. He does everything for you. The time to trade Couturier was when Hextall wanted to do a rebuild. His contract and value were never higher.

I do think he is a guy that can help this team if they are to transition to a younger team moving forward. Usually when players struggle they were put with his line to help get them out of it so there is value in that. Plus they do not have any future top line centers in the pipeline. Things might be different if Patrick was on the cusp of stardom.






Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 2 @ 12:57 PM ET
You obviously have not watched JOB play and do not know what you are talking about!
- jd250


I've watched O'Brien many times...but I would take the 2nd in a heartbeat.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jun 2 @ 12:58 PM ET
Cant trade ex selke. Need to keep him around to help groom the young players the next 5 years. Then by year 6 hope they can contend.....

If had to keep one of Hayes or ex selke who do you keep?

- hello it's me 2050


Couts for sure. I dont think he is overpaid. I think hayes is by a couple mil. But if basing on the return you would get, probably hayes I keep.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 2 @ 1:03 PM ET
Jay O'Brien is a risk and frankly I would not have signed him yet either. He can't stay on the ice, plain and simple. The Flyers have enough of these types of players already and don't need another injury prone player. Jay has 1 more season for BU this year. He needs to show he can stay on the ice and if he does he will have a monster offensive year and I am sure the Flyers will want to sign him. When O'Brien plays he is a difference maker for BU, but so far he has just not played enough.
- jd250


Perfectly stated.
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jun 2 @ 1:09 PM ET
Cant trade ex selke. Need to keep him around to help groom the young players the next 5 years. Then by year 6 hope they can contend.....

If had to keep one of Hayes or ex selke who do you keep?

- hello it's me 2050

Neither is moveable..no one taking on either one of those contracts
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 2 @ 1:09 PM ET
I know your not a fan of Couturier but I would keep him. He does everything for you. The time to trade Couturier was when Hextall wanted to do a rebuild. His contract and value were never higher.

I do think he is a guy that can help this team if they are to transition to a younger team moving forward. Usually when players struggle they were put with his line to help get them out of it so there is value in that. Plus they do not have any future top line centers in the pipeline. Things might be different if Patrick was on the cusp of stardom.

- J35Bacher

Ex selke has little value on a team like this. They stink with him and they stink without him.

He is a very good player who the dumb GM should have moved at the 2021 deadline. Now he is almost untradeable.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 2 @ 1:12 PM ET
So based on what you just posted, someone connected with the team did say that the Flyers are 2 or 3 players away. The irony of telling people to stop with a false narrative while offering one yourself. Can't make it up. It was said and everyone pretty much heard it said.
-MJL

The quote from Scott was "We have a pretty good core, it starts with a healthy Couts, Hayes, Farabee, would love to to have Ellis back, but when you look at that reality of it, 2 or 3 pieces would be great, maybe a little more, but the core of the team is good".

So just all of you stop with the BS narrative. The fact is the core of this team IS GOOD! The Flyers have some good players and if healthy those players will provide a solid foundation to build upon. This is not going to be a 5 year process to get this team back to contention!
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jun 2 @ 1:12 PM ET
You know the history right.

INjuries, left school, went to BCHL, went to boston, injuries.

O'Brien hasn't done enough to warrant and offer.

Right now that pick is right up their with patrick as picks that have delayed the Flyers rebuild or whatever.

Imagine if Patrick worked out and instead of O'Brien thy took K'ANdre Miller. How much better would the Flyers look. ALso the ripple effect that happens because you missed.

- J35Bacher

K'Andre Miller is going to be a super star. Guy in his 2nd yr and only 5th yr playing D is already a star. Kid skates, has great stick and becoming a physical player. He would be our best dman by far at this point.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 2 @ 1:13 PM ET
K'Andre Miller is going to be a super star. Guy in his 2nd yr and only 5th yr playing D is already a star. Kid skates, has great stick and becoming a physical player. He would be our best dman by far at this point.
- hfc355

Another shrewd move on draft day by Hextall! Thanks Hexy ...
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 2 @ 1:17 PM ET
I've watched O'Brien many times...but I would take the 2nd in a heartbeat.
- Glak18

Right and that is fair. There is a huge difference between stating I would take the 2nd round pick (which I believe would be at the end of the 2md round so technically its a 3rd round pick?) and stating JOB sucks. The fact is JOB does NOT suck, not be a long shot. If healthy he is a very good player.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 2 @ 1:17 PM ET
The quote from Scott was "We have a pretty good core, it starts with a healthy Couts, Hayes, Farabee, would love to to have Ellis back, but when you look at that reality of it, 2 or 3 pieces would be great, maybe a little more, but the core of the team is good".

So just all of you stop with the BS narrative. The fact is the core of this team IS GOOD! The Flyers have some good players and if healthy those players will provide a solid foundation to build upon. This is not going to be a 5 year process to get this team back to contention!

- jd250



Fletch and Scott could be repeatedly punching you in the face and when the police ask if you want to press charges you would say no, I was headbutting their fists.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 2 @ 1:20 PM ET
The goaltending in 2010 was probably one of the worst matchups ever
- ClaudeFather

Niemi was only a little better. If the Flyers simply had an average goalie that series, they would have won IMO.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 2 @ 1:21 PM ET
Fletch and Scott could be repeatedly punching you in the face and when the police ask if you want to press charges you would say no, I was headbutting their fists.
- MBFlyerfan

This makes no sense. I just posted word for word the entire quote. Do you still want to believe fantasy or believe reality?

In your opinion, do the Flyers not have a good core of players? Hart, Ellis, Provorov, Sanheim, Risto, Couturier, Hayes, Laughton, Farabee and Atkinson. These are not good players?? You can't build on top of these players and create a contending team??
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jun 2 @ 1:22 PM ET
Can we please stop already with this false narrative! No one ever said the Flyers are 2 or 3 players away. Not Fletcher, not Briere, not Flahr and not Scott. In his last press conference, Scott said he expected the team to be more competitive next season and didn't see the need for a complete tear down and rebuild. Then Scott stated he felt the team was 2 or 3 players away, but then looked at Fletcher and stated "or more!". So clearly Scott caught himself and recognized that more than 2 or 3 players are needed.
- jd250



Wrong again - imagine that

Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jun 2 @ 1:23 PM ET
Fletch and Scott could be repeatedly punching you in the face and when the police ask if you want to press charges you would say no, I was headbutting their fists.
- MBFlyerfan


Hahaha good one
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 2 @ 1:24 PM ET
The quote from Scott was "We have a pretty good core, it starts with a healthy Couts, Hayes, Farabee, would love to to have Ellis back, but when you look at that reality of it, 2 or 3 pieces would be great, maybe a little more, but the core of the team is good".

So just all of you stop with the BS narrative. The fact is the core of this team IS GOOD! The Flyers have some good players and if healthy those players will provide a solid foundation to build upon. This is not going to be a 5 year process to get this team back to contention!

- jd250

Name the 6 core pieces.

every team has good players. Problem is majority of the other teams good players trump the flyers by a good margin. At least you included the usually "if" scenario.

amazing how one can be this delusional on a daily basis.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 2 @ 1:25 PM ET
Wrong again - imagine that
- corduroy

Really .. show everyone! Don't be a coward and delete the rest of the post .. because its clear I not wrong. You and others just want to believe what you want, and I feel bad for you!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 2 @ 1:25 PM ET
Wrong again - imagine that
- corduroy

Really .. show everyone! Don't be a coward and delete the rest of the post .. because its clear I'm not wrong. You and others just want to believe what you want, and I feel bad for you!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 2 @ 1:25 PM ET
Right and that is fair. There is a huge difference between stating I would take the 2nd round pick (which I believe would be at the end of the 2md round so technically its a 3rd round pick?) and stating JOB sucks. The fact is JOB does NOT suck, not be a long shot. If healthy he is a very good player.
- jd250

no technically it is a 2nd rounder. That is 100% fact.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 1:26 PM ET
The quote from Scott was "We have a pretty good core, it starts with a healthy Couts, Hayes, Farabee, would love to to have Ellis back, but when you look at that reality of it, 2 or 3 pieces would be great, maybe a little more, but the core of the team is good".

So just all of you stop with the BS narrative. The fact is the core of this team IS GOOD! The Flyers have some good players and if healthy those players will provide a solid foundation to build upon. This is not going to be a 5 year process to get this team back to contention!

- jd250


There is no BS narrative. Only your semantics spin.

As far as narratives are concerned. Take a look at every roster in the NHL. Compare it to the Flyers. You aren't even aware of your own comments. You go on and on about needing elite talent to contend. To be a top team. Who makes up the elite players for the future in the Flyers core? There are non currently,

So instead of telling people what they should stop with. I would suggest focusing on your own comments. Find just a smidgeon of consistency somehow and hopefully some knowledge and get your own house in order. The first step of self analysis is that you find yourself in agreement with Scott.

You're right, this is not going to be a 5 year process. It's going to be longer.
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