When was the last time either played? Did they even have the redefined kicked in rule? No, they have been out of the game. TNT at least uses retired refs that know how the league works. SN uses one guy with NHL sources, a former ref from the last century and two ex-hockey players that sometimes admit to not knowing rules in the game.

Coleman looks at the puck. Duh. What's he going to look at, Mike Smith or the cowgirls behind the Oilers bench? The league messed up and there is no way to justify it. Was it the series in one call? Nope. But hat is bush league.
- Traveldude

Dude. Coleman already admitted to deliberately guiding the puck into the net with his skate. This isn't up for debate anymore. He saw the puck near the goal line and deliberately adjusted his skate angle to ensure it crossed the line. In his mind, he thought that as long as he didn't do a soccer kick that his subtle flick was allowed. Again, he said this after the game. This is different from a guy who is standing at the side of the net, plants his skate in the ice and ALLOWS the puck to deflect in. He's stationary. Coleman deliberately moved his skate to direct the puck in. It would probably help all of the casual fans to change the wording away from "kicking motion". Nobody ever kicks the puck in. So that's a pretty irrelevant term.

Did the puck inadvertently go in off a skate - good goal.

Did a player position deliberately angle his skate but then cease further deliberate movement and have the puck deflect in - good goal.

Did a player make contact with the puck while actively moving the direction of his skate - no goal?

Coleman actively flared out his skate to flick it accross the goaline. Simple. It sucks. And its worse because it appeared to be going in anyway. But its the right call. But now instead of acknowldging that the better team won the series you can cling to this for the next decade. Like next time, maybe don't let a guy get 17 points in 5 games. Haha.

They did so because the wrong call was made on the ice. I don't think it's 'the norm' but you may see more of it considering the speed of the game and where the refs are postioned on the ice when questionable calls are made. Either way...this call did not cost the Flames the series. Not anywhere near as impactful as the Gelina goal called back in 2004 which was clearly across the line.
- LordHumungous

They did so because the wrong call was made on the ice. I don't think it's 'the norm' but you may see more of it considering the speed of the game and where the refs are postioned on the ice when questionable calls are made. Either way...this call did not cost the Flames the series. Not anywhere near as impactful as the Gelina goal called back in 2004 which was clearly across the line.
- LordHumungous

With respect to all those who think this whole thing is getting way overblown, what makes this controversial is the implication that the league is "admitting" that the on ice officials made a wrong call - which was apparently uncontested by the affected team - during a game. It may have happened before but I'm not aware of Bettman ever admitting the league is wrong, especially not during a playoff game.
In all seriousness, this sets a questionable precedent and may also signal that the league is giving up on requiring on-ice officials to have the highest possible level of competence - and suggests that the "situation room" is being given more power to "officiate" games.
I'll be interested in reading Paul Stewart's take on this because if I was a referee I sure wouldn't be ok with it.

With respect to all those who think this whole thing is getting way overblown, what makes this controversial is the implication that the league is "admitting" that the on ice officials made a wrong call - which was apparently uncontested by the affected team - during a game. It may have happened before but I'm not aware of Bettman ever admitting the league is wrong, especially not during a playoff game.
In all seriousness, this sets a questionable precedent and may also signal that the league is giving up on requiring on-ice officials to have the highest possible level of competence - and suggests that the "situation room" is being given more power to "officiate" games.
I'll be interested in reading Paul Stewart's take on this because if I was a referee I sure wouldn't be ok with it.
- itwasin

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=117587

Sorry Flamers, Paul disagrees with you.

When was the last time either played? Did they even have the redefined kicked in rule? No, they have been out of the game. TNT at least uses retired refs that know how the league works. SN uses one guy with NHL sources, a former ref from the last century and two ex-hockey players that sometimes admit to not knowing rules in the game.

Coleman looks at the puck. Duh. What's he going to look at, Mike Smith or the cowgirls behind the Oilers bench? The league messed up and there is no way to justify it. Was it the series in one call? Nope. But hat is bush league.
- Traveldude

You gonna disagree with Paul Stewart too?

Flames got jobbed…. Puck was going in on disallowed goal with or without skate, and the rule states “distinct kicking motion “ of which there was none. Not to mention he was getting shoved/checked into the blue paint and across the goal line

That disallowed goal may have given us a game 6, but the Flames were never really in control of a whole game in this series. I still see the Oilers winning the series regardless of game 5. Oilers dominated the games, flames couldn’t adjust to their speed up front. Reminded me of the 80’s when the Oilers had Gretzky and Messier, Calgary a step behind.
At least there’s still a Canadian team in the playoff, I’ll be cheering them on.
Go Oilers

Who’s the next GM of the Flames?

Who’s the next GM of the Flames?
- K-man25

Benning.

That disallowed goal may have given us a game 6, but the Flames were never really in control of a whole game in this series. I still see the Oilers winning the series regardless of game 5. Oilers dominated the games, flames couldn’t adjust to their speed up front. Reminded me of the 80’s when the Oilers had Gretzky and Messier, Calgary a step behind.
At least there’s still a Canadian team in the playoff, I’ll be cheering them on.
Go Oilers
- K-man25

You had me till your last sentence. I tried hard to cheer for the Oil when they were playing LA....but I just don't have it in me. Go Avelanche!

Flames got jobbed…. Puck was going in on disallowed goal with or without skate, and the rule states “distinct kicking motion “ of which there was none. Not to mention he was getting shoved/checked into the blue paint and across the goal line
- MnGump

Well it's not like the game ended on that play though.

Fact 1: The Oilers were clearly the better team and were a virtual certainty to win the series anyway.
- itwasin

That's nonsense. It was a close series. There was only one game the Flames didn't have a shot at winning. I'm not putting all the blame on Markstrom, but if he had stopped just the goals that squeaked through him, it's a different series.

I don't know if the pressure was getting to McDavid or what, but he wasn't good in game five. If the Flames had won last night, a whole bunch more pressure and doubt would have crept in.

They were evenly matched. If the Oilers won three in a row, the Flames could've won three in a row. Momentum's real.

Stop blaming the refs. You're embarrassing yourself. If they had cost the Flames goals in every game, maybe something's up. It was one bad call in one game and the Flames had plenty of time to score another.

That disallowed goal may have given us a game 6, but the Flames were never really in control of a whole game in this series. I still see the Oilers winning the series regardless of game 5. Oilers dominated the games, flames couldn’t adjust to their speed up front. Reminded me of the 80’s when the Oilers had Gretzky and Messier, Calgary a step behind.
At least there’s still a Canadian team in the playoff, I’ll be cheering them on.
Go Oilers
- K-man25

Probably the only good post you’ve ever typed on this site👍

Well it's not like the game ended on that play though.
- Nasty_Duck

No, still nothing guaranteed,but certainly would have made a difference in the last 5 minutes.

You had me till your last sentence. I tried hard to cheer for the Oil when they were playing LA....but I just don't have it in me. Go Avelanche!
- DuranDuran

I know, every time I say it get a little taste of puke in the back of my throat. McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman those guys played exceptional for them, they deserve to be applauded. Don’t want Tampa or Carolina to win, I’m good with either Colorado or Edmonton. We need a Canadian based team to win it, it’s been too long.

Probably the only good post you’ve ever typed on this site👍
- HonkyTonkMan

Ya sometimes I get lucky.

FLAMES IN 8

Sad thing is, they could have potentially still had Crosby involved. But the NHL and ESPN wanted the NY market involved more. Can't wait to see how they stick it to Carolina to keep NY around a little longer.
Far too long the NHL has ignored its stars and focused on market size, not star power like the NBA would have done.
Goal should have counted. And to those who think Edmonton would have just won the next 2 anyway--just remember the Pens-NY series. NY didnt have a pulse until the Trouba cheap shot--suspension worthy, but nothing coming from the NHL--knocked Crosby out and changed the series. Who is to say if the Flames had won that they wouldn't have come back? No one will ever know.
I long for the day we can watch hockey and not think that the NHL or networks had some angle on how the outcome plays out.
- Amanion

agree with that last line (Big time) especially for Canadian markets who deserve many many more cup finals with the talent and skill of teams in the past 20 years

This is why Im glad Holland failed to get Markstrom
- Reveen

I like Mike Smith as a person.... and goalie (to an extent). He is not in my top TEN of goalies that I would take in a conference finals - thus the edge is to Tampa and to a less extent Avs

That's nonsense. It was a close series. There was only one game the Flames didn't have a shot at winning. I'm not putting all the blame on Markstrom, but if he had stopped just the goals that squeaked through him, it's a different series.

I don't know if the pressure was getting to McDavid or what, but he wasn't good in game five. If the Flames had won last night, a whole bunch more pressure and doubt would have crept in.

They were evenly matched. If the Oilers won three in a row, the Flames could've won three in a row. Momentum's real.

Stop blaming the refs. You're embarrassing yourself. If they had cost the Flames goals in every game, maybe something's up. It was one bad call in one game and the Flames had plenty of time to score another.
- Squeaky

Hard to believe but it sounds like you actually believe the dogsh1t you dump here. Thank god we don't have to smell it.
Maybe if you took enough time to actually comprehend what other people write
you'd be slightly less obnoxious. Maybe.

I like Mike Smith as a person.... and goalie (to an extent). He is not in my top TEN of goalies that I would take in a conference finals - thus the edge is to Tampa and to a less extent Avs
- AlfieisKing

If Tampa doesn't win the cup, I'll probably DELETE MY ACCOUNT!!!

Flames leaving the city.

Hard to believe but it sounds like you actually believe the dogsh1t you dump here. Thank god we don't have to smell it.
Maybe if you took enough time to actually comprehend what other people write
you'd be slightly less obnoxious. Maybe.
- itwasin

Um, okay. Have you seen your username? Get over it. Your entire identity is whining about something that happened 20 years ago.

E4 the Flames are brutal and went all in 2 years in a row to win with Johnnie Hockey, they lost the series to a better team and lost anything they could have gained by trading Gadreau. If I was a Flames fan I'd probably start looking for property in Houston or Kansas City if you wanted to go to their home games in the next few years.


Pew pew Shooter

Man... so weird that no Flames game is on tomorrow. For the past couple months i was getting use to seeing them every other day.

If Gaudreau signs in Calgary, the team will be pretty much intact with additional good players coming our way. If Gaudreau signs somewhere else, then it will be the start of a rebuild for the Flames. It all depends on Gaudreau's decision over the next week. Go Flames Go