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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 26 @ 2:35 PM ET
He just mistakenly gave the cap hit instead of he cap savings for the first year.
- MJL



Yeah, I was going from memory. But Im still going back and forth as to whether it would be worth it or not.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 26 @ 3:11 PM ET
Yeah, I was going from memory. But Im still going back and forth as to whether it would be worth it or not.
- MBFlyerfan


A buyout of JVR is a hard no for me.
rayc16
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 26 @ 3:45 PM ET
Yeah, I was going from memory. But Im still going back and forth as to whether it would be worth it or not.
- MBFlyerfan

I just don't see a great benefit from doing it now.
And they possibly get something useful in return if they wait until the trade deadline.
atibus
Joined: 06.23.2011

May 26 @ 3:51 PM ET
Yeah, I was going from memory. But Im still going back and forth as to whether it would be worth it or not.
- MBFlyerfan


You'd have $5.66M total in dead cap space to not have him play. You're better off eating half his salary and finding a trading partner for a 7th (big if).
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

May 26 @ 4:11 PM ET
Why would anyone want Montgomery as coach? Stifling boring d system hampered Dallas offense. What would team look like with him? Nowhere near the offense talent of Dallas as people think he’s right for here. Mind boggling
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 26 @ 4:22 PM ET
I just don't see a great benefit from doing it now.
And they possibly get something useful in return if they wait until the trade deadline.

- rayc16


If they keep JVR, they will have very little cap space to do anything to upgrade the team after the Risto deal.

If they sign Frost & Tippet for $1m each, and sign the other RFAs at the league minimum, they would have a 22 man roster and only $3m in space. To add a Gaudreau or a Kadri they would need to move JVR's deal with no retention.
rayc16
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 26 @ 4:31 PM ET
If they keep JVR, they will have very little cap space to do anything to upgrade the team after the Risto deal.

If they sign Frost & Tippet for $1m each, and sign the other RFAs at the league minimum, they would have a 22 man roster and only $3m in space. To add a Gaudreau or a Kadri they would need to move JVR's deal with no retention.

- Feanor

Are they really at the point they should be considering signing either of those players?
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

May 26 @ 4:40 PM ET
Tristan Luneau
I didn't know much about Tristan luneau but after reading about his progression and background these last few years I really think this kid may be an absolutely steal and a gem to whoever chooses him.
Right now he's not even on the board for the draft but if I had an early 2nd rd pick I'd strongly consider taking a swing with this kid
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 26 @ 5:01 PM ET
If they keep JVR, they will have very little cap space to do anything to upgrade the team after the Risto deal.

If they sign Frost & Tippet for $1m each, and sign the other RFAs at the league minimum, they would have a 22 man roster and only $3m in space. To add a Gaudreau or a Kadri they would need to move JVR's deal with no retention.

- Feanor


Perfect. Let the kids play.
Djapana
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Sunset Dreaming, FL
Joined: 09.16.2017

May 26 @ 5:14 PM ET
I’m OK with Montgeomery but think Torts would be a huge mistake. Listening to Greg Wyshynski talk up Torts on the radio today. He mentioned a “close relationship with Bobby Clarke “.Does anyone know what he was referring to?
I don’t think I want to go down that road again.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 26 @ 5:21 PM ET
I’m OK with Montgeomery but think Torts would be a huge mistake. Listening to Greg Wyshynski talk up Torts on the radio today. He mentioned a “close relationship with Bobby Clarke “.Does anyone know what he was referring to?
I don’t think I want to see go down that road again.

- Djapana


There's the next coach.
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

May 26 @ 5:54 PM ET
Bullards Balcony > Peter Zezel
- hello it's me 2050


Lol there's a blast from the past! Bullard was great! I always wondered why he was out of the league not long after we let him go. Do you recall?
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

May 26 @ 5:56 PM ET
Betsons or boulevard steaks.
- hello it's me 2050


Haha Betsons! Another blast from the past! Classic!
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 26 @ 6:06 PM ET
If they keep JVR, they will have very little cap space to do anything to upgrade the team after the Risto deal.

If they sign Frost & Tippet for $1m each, and sign the other RFAs at the league minimum, they would have a 22 man roster and only $3m in space. To add a Gaudreau or a Kadri they would need to move JVR's deal with no retention.

- Feanor


With a 22 man roster you likely wont be adding a player anyways. If the FLyers are aggressively retooling, it means that players who play a big part on the team are more likely to go.

Moving Bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair D isnt exactly retooling. Its they guys you are building around that are going to be changed out. Aggressive retool doesnt mean a move needs to be made right now. Fletcher gave a timetable of 3 years. The big moves could be left for the trade deadline or next offseason.

I did hear some speculation that the Flyers would be looking for two for one deals. So we'd give up a player for a player and a pick
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

May 26 @ 6:08 PM ET
Why would anyone want Montgomery as coach? Stifling boring d system hampered Dallas offense. What would team look like with him? Nowhere near the offense talent of Dallas as people think he’s right for here. Mind boggling
- Stayin alive



Plus, he's a former Flyer so no way!!!!! All jokes aside, finding the right fit for this group will be tough. You make a good point about Dallas and their offense. We don't even have a legit 1st line.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 26 @ 6:25 PM ET
I’m OK with Montgeomery but think Torts would be a huge mistake. Listening to Greg Wyshynski talk up Torts on the radio today. He mentioned a “close relationship with Bobby Clarke “.Does anyone know what he was referring to?
I don’t think I want to go down that road again.

- Djapana

They share an astrologist
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 26 @ 6:44 PM ET
With a 22 man roster you likely wont be adding a player anyways. If the FLyers are aggressively retooling, it means that players who play a big part on the team are more likely to go.

Moving Bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair D isnt exactly retooling. Its they guys you are building around that are going to be changed out. Aggressive retool doesnt mean a move needs to be made right now. Fletcher gave a timetable of 3 years. The big moves could be left for the trade deadline or next offseason.

I did hear some speculation that the Flyers would be looking for two for one deals. So we'd give up a player for a player and a pick

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Retool, rebuild, whatever. Basically everyone on this roster is a disappointment to me.
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

May 26 @ 6:51 PM ET
Giving this GM more cap space to work with is a dangerous thing.
- MJL

konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

May 26 @ 6:51 PM ET
Giving this GM more cap space to work with is a dangerous thing.
- MJL

Hextall was great!!
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Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

May 26 @ 7:32 PM ET
They share an astrologist
- Hesh_



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 26 @ 7:38 PM ET
With a 22 man roster you likely wont be adding a player anyways. If the FLyers are aggressively retooling, it means that players who play a big part on the team are more likely to go.

Moving Bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair D isnt exactly retooling. Its they guys you are building around that are going to be changed out. Aggressive retool doesnt mean a move needs to be made right now. Fletcher gave a timetable of 3 years. The big moves could be left for the trade deadline or next offseason.

I did hear some speculation that the Flyers would be looking for two for one deals. So we'd give up a player for a player and a pick

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


The Flyers currently only have 17 players on the roster for next season.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

May 26 @ 9:19 PM ET
The Flyers currently only have 17 players on the roster for next season.
- MJL


They aren’t going to have the ability to make a lot of moves. Even if they sign Gaudreau or Kadri. It’s not anywhere close to enough.

Bundy said it best on a very recent podcast, that the team just isn’t going to be there for the next 4-5 years. I actually think that’s a really good, and realistic assessment.

They aren’t in a vacuum, and they have been jumped by the Rangers along with New Jersey. Two clubs that were supposed to be behind the Flyers.

Buffalo has a greater collection of younger talent, Detroit most definitely does as well. Ottawa is knocking on that door, and I think people will see how good Chabot is fairly soon.

There is solace in some of these facts. They will rebuild whether they want to or not.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

May 26 @ 9:44 PM ET
LETS GO CANES
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 26 @ 10:01 PM ET
They aren’t going to have the ability to make a lot of moves. Even if they sign Gaudreau or Kadri. It’s not anywhere close to enough.

Bundy said it best on a very recent podcast, that the team just isn’t going to be there for the next 4-5 years. I actually think that’s a really good, and realistic assessment.

They aren’t in a vacuum, and they have been jumped by the Rangers along with New Jersey. Two clubs that were supposed to be behind the Flyers.

Buffalo has a greater collection of younger talent, Detroit most definitely does as well. Ottawa is knocking on that door, and I think people will see how good Chabot is fairly soon.

There is solace in some of these facts. They will rebuild whether they want to or not.

- FlyerFan3260


Don't underestimate this GM. I believe there is going to be at least one hockey trade made that may not be expected. It wouldn't surprise me if moves are made to create cap space. This is their M.O.

I honestly think that 4-5 years is optimistic. I just think this team is going to keep making moves that set them back.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

May 26 @ 10:42 PM ET
Boy sure hope hart wasn’t one of the 9 players sexually assaulting woman in Canada during 2018 world jr’s
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