Yeah I think so too, shouldn't too difficult unless teams are playing hardball with them knowing they need to clear space. Another guy I think could be on the move is Pacioretty. Might be a little bit more difficult because he costs $7M, but he only has 1 year left. And even though he'll be 34 he's been slightly under a PPG player over the past 3 seasons.

Also, i think Lehner is a possibility too. I'm assuming DeBoer being gone will help calm things down between him and the team and could keep him there, but they seem to really like Broissant. 3 years left at 5M is fine, because when he's actually on the ice he's been pretty good, but he's had some injury issues over the past few years that are concerning. I could see Lehner being a target for us *again*.(they were supposedly very close to a deal sending him here before they shipped out Fleury instead)

So they have a good amount of options to move out, and they need to because they need to sign ~3-4 forwards but only have 200k cap space available lmao. All of the guys we've listed have 8-10 team M-NTC too which might complicate things a tad(like we saw with Dadonov at the deadline). Could potentially allow someone to try to take advantage of them, IE asking for Nic Hague to take on a contract from them. Something like that.
- vlongo4419

Either way I think Pacioretty is gone after the season since he's priced himself into another big deal somewhere. You're seeing more and more around the league that you're getting more success from having more talent spread out through the center position in your lineup rather than just stacking big on one line like Vegas has. With some minor retooling and a great coaching hire they should go back to being a contender in the west.

If we're getting paid to take on Dadonov he's a good one year stop gap to put goals in the back of the net. With a competent playmaking center he'll pot 25 easy. Somewhat contingent on moving out some other contracts obviously but I wouldn't be upset if Fitz got him. Especially if there were some other moves involved with it.

Either way I think Pacioretty is gone after the season since he's priced himself into another big deal somewhere. You're seeing more and more around the league that you're getting more success from having more talent spread out through the center position in your lineup rather than just stacking big on one line like Vegas has. With some minor retooling and a great coaching hire they should go back to being a contender in the west.

If we're getting paid to take on Dadonov he's a good one year stop gap to put goals in the back of the net. With a competent playmaking center he'll pot 25 easy. Somewhat contingent on moving out some other contracts obviously but I wouldn't be upset if Fitz got him. Especially if there were some other moves involved with it.
- Pomegrant

Fully agree, they're gonna be right back in the thick of things next season. Heck, they're most likely a playoff team as is right now if they just don't get hammered with injuries again. Plus, a full healthy offseason of training for Eichel is going to do wonders for him, and them. They finally have a legit elite 1C that they've never had, even going back to their cup finals run.

As long as they don't do anything dumb this summer I expect I a big bounce back from them. Not sure they can do much in free agency, but losing Reilly Smith may hurt a bit(if they cant retain him) and don't replace him. They don't have a great prospect pool but they do have a couple good prospects who are close-ish to making the jump and could start helping soon too.

I still find it hilarious he called you a muppet. I wonder which one best suits you? Animal? Fozzy? Beeker? or do we go the Sesame Street route with Grover or Bert?
- MartysBetter88

Animal was always my favorite

He got it from spittin chiclets though so horribly unoriginal

he's the swedish chef
- Pomegrant

Wow great call

Either way I think Pacioretty is gone after the season since he's priced himself into another big deal somewhere. You're seeing more and more around the league that you're getting more success from having more talent spread out through the center position in your lineup rather than just stacking big on one line like Vegas has. With some minor retooling and a great coaching hire they should go back to being a contender in the west.

If we're getting paid to take on Dadonov he's a good one year stop gap to put goals in the back of the net. With a competent playmaking center he'll pot 25 easy. Somewhat contingent on moving out some other contracts obviously but I wouldn't be upset if Fitz got him. Especially if there were some other moves involved with it.
- Pomegrant

Yeah he wouldn’t be bad to have for a season but is he more of a zacha that isn’t good at anything or do the numbers suggest he’s a puljujarvi and he could make mcdavid and draisaitl play better?

You’re mentally ill
- shvingter88

This is old news.

Sheesh i really dont understand the Torts hiring at all for Philly. That management team/Comcast ownership group is so delusional. Hes the opposite of what they need. They need to be rebuilding and bringing in a coach who is good with development, not continuing to try to sneak into the playoffs. All thats gonna end up happening with this is that they'll likely still miss the playoffs but Torts will be good enough/get enough out of that awful roster to essentially take them out of the Bedard sweepstakes. Lose-lose there imo.

Ah yes the good ol "eye test" argument which provides zero actual data to a point or a conversation. If thats where you're gonna go then its completely pointless to even continuing responding.

Again, you bring up points and games played without any context. Zacha averages 2 full minutes more TOI per game in his career than JP, and when you look at total icetime Zacha has played 6065 minutes versus Puljujarvis 3621. Zacha has almost DOUBLE the amount of ice time in his career., and you're using points as your argument? So now with that in mind, Zacha averages 1.473 points/60 and Puljujarvi averages 1.624 points/60. Now you factor in power play, Zacha has played 712 minutes on the PP whereas JP has only played 245 minutes on the PP. Plays into the point difference as well.

Stop. Using. Flat. Point. Totals. To. Try. To. Make. A. Point.

You go and say how hes played with McDavid and Draisatil, but ive already given the data of him with McDavid/Draisaitl, as well as all of their numbers without each other. Puljujarvi makes them better.

Puljujarvi is a better play driver than Zacha, a better forechecker than Zacha, and a much better defensive player than Zacha. The only thing Zacha has on him is shot, but we all know Zacha essentially refuses to use it, so what does it matter. JP makes everybody one the ice with him better meanwhile Zacha has dragged his linemates down time and time again prior to this past season where he was a 'fine' 3rd liner. Its called buying low on someone and hoping you hit gold. We know what Zachas ceiling is, we havent seen JPs yet and it seems like hes ready to pop.

If you cant understand that then this is all just irrelevant. You ignore data if it doesnt agree with what you think and then you provide absolutely zero information to attempt to prove your point. "Eye test" and flat point totals never tell the entire story. Start doing more research.
- vlongo4419

Look man, the Dude can't skate on par with an average NHL forward (whom he is tasked with stopping). There is no stat you can assign to that. There is no number you can put in front of me that will make me forget what I witnessed from him on a game by game basis.

There is also the matter of his shot, and that it cannot seem to hit the net, riddle me this Mr. statistics: What percentage of our turnovers on the powerplay are from this dingbat firing a puck as hard as he can, missing the net and blowing it out of the offensive zone or grabbed and cleared by a defender?

Then there is the slew foot stat: 100% of the ones on our team this past year. How does that statistic sit with you. (sure there may be like one other one from the other players across 82 games but you should get the point bc with posting far and above our blogger, you have established you are not retarded).

Off the ice he is by all accounts a great guy, on the ice he is no longer great, good, or average. Time for him to go to the broadcast booth, give that spot to someone who may be in our plans past this season. Let his replacement possibly grow with us rather then drag us down and give a poor example of "sportmanship" to our youth. Worse yet, let him stay do this dirty work then enraging another team and possibly drawing a target onto our fragile talent who clearly cant stay healthy.

I respect your passion and knowledge of this team, but I do not agree there is anything good in bringing PK back.

Look man, the Dude can't skate on par with an average NHL forward (whom he is tasked with stopping). There is no stat you can assign to that. There is no number you can put in front of me that will make me forget what I witnessed from him on a game by game basis.

There is also the matter of his shot, and that it cannot seem to hit the net, riddle me this Mr. statistics: What percentage of our turnovers on the powerplay are from this dingbat firing a puck as hard as he can, missing the net and blowing it out of the offensive zone or grabbed and cleared by a defender?

Then there is the slew foot stat: 100% of the ones on our team this past year. How does that statistic sit with you. (sure there may be like one other one from the other players across 82 games but you should get the point bc with posting far and above our blogger, you have established you are not retarded).

Off the ice he is by all accounts a great guy, on the ice he is no longer great, good, or average. Time for him to go to the broadcast booth, give that spot to someone who may be in our plans past this season. Let his replacement possibly grow with us rather then drag us down and give a poor example of "sportmanship" to our youth. Worse yet, let him stay do this dirty work then enraging another team and possibly drawing a target onto our fragile talent who clearly cant stay healthy.

I respect your passion and knowledge of this team, but I do not agree there is anything good in bringing PK back.
- JagrBombs19

His skating has certainly taken a step back over the years but he doesnt need to be a great skater if he stays in good position. It will be a problem from time to time if he gets caught out of positioning, which happens to everybody. but his overall 5v5 play this season was *good*. He was a net positive to the team when he was on the ice. Both his offensive and defensive impacts were a "+" this season. I keep saying it over and over, Ty Smith was complete dogpoop this year and the only partner he had positive impacts with was Subban. He had them with Siegenthaler too but they only played 35 minutes together and Bahl but they only played 11 minutes. Smith got absolutely caved with Dougie/Sevo/Graves/Jaros/White/Geertsen(lol). Again, I am strictly talking from a 5v5 standpoint, Subban was more than fine.

I completely agree that he is awful on the PP. That's why I ackownledged that and back on Friday i said that if we bring him back we need keep him off the PP. Dougie should be playing the full 2 minutes tbh.

Couldn't care less about the slewfoots tbh. They happen, and most of the time they're accidental that happen from time to time for pretty much every team in the league.(half the time they aren't even a slewfoot but people complain anyway). Hopefully he does it to that pos Trouba next season(kidding, but not really, but I am)

I would love for him to be on ESPN. He's been fantastic there this postseason and he absolutely has a future in broadcasting/TV. It just doesn't seem like that time has come yet. He wants to keep playing, and there's apparently mutual interest depending on contract/what other bodies will be competing for the 3rd pairing. He's probably not at the top of the list(he shouldn't be, i prefer guys like Lyubushkin/Pysyk/Kulak/De Haan to him) but there are absolutely worse options that we could get. We need to get one of those guys to come here though, which isn't a guarantee that'll happen. Not to mention that the guys in the room apparently love PK.

As I said, hes certainly not my top choice for the 3rd pair, but I wouldn't be pissed off if we brought him back either. I wouldn't be excited about it either. I essentially see him as a "fall back" option in case we whiff on the multiple of 3rd pairing guys we'll probably talk to on July 13th. With the Devils leaning even more into the analytics side of things, I'm assuming they see it the same way.(atleast in the same ballpark).

Now to take it even a step further, if we bring him back on a cheapish 1 year deal, he's very tradeable at the deadline(moreso if we eat half) if this team for some reason sucks again and we're sellers.

I personally don't think the defense will be touched much at all. I think Bahl will be given a shot to make the team and we'll add a 3rd pairing RHD(whether it's Subban or someone else). I dont think they do anything else there. Todd has said the team is leaning into analytics even more then they ever have now and the defense wasn't the problem there. 5 out of 6 regulars(Smith is the only exception) were all above 50% in every important analytic category you look at(CF%, FF%, SF%, xGF%, SCF%, and HDCF%), had positive RAPMs, and even or positive on-ice impacts. The team as a whole gave up the 5th least high danger chances too. It was mostly on the goaltending and system. So I think that's what they focus on. Changes to the system seem inevitable with the changes made there and we all know they're going hard for a goalie upgrade. Think the rest of the offseason will be focused towards getting a top line winger and possibly trying to boost the middle/bottom 6.

I love Torts in Philly. He should be able to squeeze more out of that group, who I didn't think was that bad on paper last year. Losing Couts really hurt them. But now Giroux is gone so good luck. Like you said, will keep them from a top 3 pick, but oh well.

But I love Torts in Philly because it means we have more Torts. Torts is back. Torts several times a year against the Devils. Torts Torts Torts. Love it.

Look man, the Dude can't skate on par with an average NHL forward (whom he is tasked with stopping). There is no stat you can assign to that. There is no number you can put in front of me that will make me forget what I witnessed from him on a game by game basis.

There is also the matter of his shot, and that it cannot seem to hit the net, riddle me this Mr. statistics: What percentage of our turnovers on the powerplay are from this dingbat firing a puck as hard as he can, missing the net and blowing it out of the offensive zone or grabbed and cleared by a defender?

Then there is the slew foot stat: 100% of the ones on our team this past year. How does that statistic sit with you. (sure there may be like one other one from the other players across 82 games but you should get the point bc with posting far and above our blogger, you have established you are not retarded).

Off the ice he is by all accounts a great guy, on the ice he is no longer great, good, or average. Time for him to go to the broadcast booth, give that spot to someone who may be in our plans past this season. Let his replacement possibly grow with us rather then drag us down and give a poor example of "sportmanship" to our youth. Worse yet, let him stay do this dirty work then enraging another team and possibly drawing a target onto our fragile talent who clearly cant stay healthy.

I respect your passion and knowledge of this team, but I do not agree there is anything good in bringing PK back.
- JagrBombs19

Look man you simply don’t understand that he is awesome, there are countless stats to prove that he’s amazing.

I love Torts in Philly. He should be able to squeeze more out of that group, who I didn't think was that bad on paper last year. Losing Couts really hurt them. But now Giroux is gone so good luck. Like you said, will keep them from a top 3 pick, but oh well.

But I love Torts in Philly because it means we have more Torts. Torts is back. Torts several times a year against the Devils. Torts Torts Torts. Love it.
- MartysBetter88

It should be really interesting for sure.

There is no coach that can fix Ristolainen

There is no coach that can fix Ristolainen
- Pomegrant

You're not wrong there

There is no coach that can fix Ristolainen
- Pomegrant

that's the beauty of it. we get to see Torts try.

that's the beauty of it. we get to see Torts try.
- MartysBetter88

you're right. the Flyers are just living art.

Well there is the start of Vegas' cap relief. Theyre trading Dadonov to the Habs for Shea Webers' contract(for LTIR).

Well there is the start of Vegas' cap relief. Theyre trading Dadonov to the Habs for Shea Webers' contract(for LTIR).
- vlongo4419

I think they still move from Martinez. Then get Riley Smith re-signed.

you're right. the Flyers are just living art.
- Pomegrant

I’ll be keeping up with them more for sure. At the very least post game interviews will be a treat.

I think they still move from Martinez. Then get Riley Smith re-signed.
- Pomegrant

Agreed.

I’ll be keeping up with them more for sure. At the very least post game interviews will be a treat.
- shvingter88

Flyers circus is always amazing. Last offseason poopshow just kept delivering. You know they're going to do something insane this year too.

Flyers circus is always amazing. Last offseason poopshow just kept delivering. You know they're going to do something insane this year too.
- Pomegrant

They’re going to trade a first for Jamie benn

They’re going to trade a first for Jamie benn
- shvingter88

I think they are going to dump Provorov for mediocre futures then sign Gaudreau for like 10mil per year.

Well there is the start of Vegas' cap relief. Theyre trading Dadonov to the Habs for Shea Webers' contract(for LTIR).
- vlongo4419

They can flip him to Arizona or Ottawa next year for the start of Webers 3 years of $1 million in actual salary vs almost $8 million in cap hit. Glad Kovalchuk was where the NHL drew the line (not that I'm still bitter about it or anything, lol).

I think they are going to dump Provorov for mediocre futures then sign Gaudreau for like 10mil per year.
- Pomegrant

That’s a strong plan