That is so sad if you really think about it.

I've never heard that argument made about any other (de facto) #1 in the league... that they need help moving the puck or they can't function properly.


- Tomahawk

I think we can all agree that Provorov is not a #1. He can be a solid defenseman for the Flyers, but there is a reason Fletcher went out and took a chance on Ellis.

Not really gullible at all. If anything I tend to be cynical. I didn't put a lot of thought into it in actuality. That's why my comment was tempered. If I actually thought that he truly made that comment I would have responded much more vigorously. That's why I asked what does that comment even mean? Didn't seem like something that Giroux would say, but who knows these days when someone puts a mic in your face after you've had a few adult beverages.
- Phillywhiteout

Yea, I'm not that gullible to buy this. Your response wasn't tempered. It was a typical response from you. You asked what that comment even meant because you thought it actually came from Giroux. It's obvious and you can't spin your way out of it. Thanks

The issue is the entire Flyers team for the most struggled on breakouts. The team as a whole is awful defensively. Combine that with Prpvorov's own sub par play, which I believe in part has been caused by the team situation around him. You get a struggling player.
- MJL

Meanwhile, Sanheim was able to rise above while chained to a total train wreck of a partner, and the poor guy still can't "earn" any PP time.

The team really needs to reevaluate Provy's status as a main building block moving forward. We're entering year seven of his time here... at some point we'll run out of excuses for his inconsistent play.

Probably not because I don't know who's filling in for Sanheim in 22-23. Unless they draft his replacement at 7.
- Pelle31Forever

Yes

From the Hockey New this morning as to why Torts would not be a good choice for the Flyers at this time:


I agree with this assessment, and you may recall for the past several months I have been calling for the Flyers to go get Lane Lambert, Trotz assistant coach for 13 years. However, as he often is, Lou Lamoriello was one step ahead of the Flyers and the NHL, and fired Trotz so he can keep Lambert. It would be a mistake given the current state of the Flyers to hire an older coach that wants to win now. The Flyers need to think outside the box and get a coach that can grow with their young group of players the Flyers should be icing next season.
- jd250

Did the Flyers have any control or way to effect what the Islanders did there by firing Trotz and hiring Lane Lambert, who was under contract and control by the Islanders? Did the NHL. So how was he one step ahead of anyone? LOL

Lane Lambert is not exactly young. He's 57. The Flyers are in a tough spot here. They are one of the worst coached and worst run organizations in hockey. They can't afford to take on a coach to learn on the job. On the other hand, a guy like Tortorell likely won't be a long term solution. They need to get this decision correct and they really need an experienced coach.

I think we can all agree that Provorov is not a #1. He can be a solid defenseman for the Flyers, but there is a reason Fletcher went out and took a chance on Ellis.
- jd250

Provorov plays the left side and Ellis plays the right side.

Meanwhile, Sanheim was able to rise above while chained to a total train wreck of a partner, and the poor guy still can't "earn" any PP time.

The team really needs to reevaluate Provy's status as a main building block moving forward. We're entering year seven of his time here... at some point we'll run out of excuses for his inconsistent play.
- Tomahawk

Sanheim put together some good stretches of hockey but he also had his share of struggles last season. Every player is different. Sanheim has not had the overall responsibility and weight on him that Provorov has had over the last seasons. To not factor that in would be negligent. Instead of looking down on Provorov, adjust expectations. He is not a defenseman that can in a #1 role rise above all of the Flyers issues and carry the team. Not many defenseman could. Instead view him as a top pair defenseman that if playing with another legit top pair partner in a structured team setting can be a pretty good player. What's wrong with that? Beware of moving on.

From the Hockey New this morning as to why Torts would not be a good choice for the Flyers at this time:


I agree with this assessment, and you may recall for the past several months I have been calling for the Flyers to go get Lane Lambert, Trotz assistant coach for 13 years. However, as he often is, Lou Lamoriello was one step ahead of the Flyers and the NHL, and fired Trotz so he can keep Lambert. It would be a mistake given the current state of the Flyers to hire an older coach that wants to win now. The Flyers need to think outside the box and get a coach that can grow with their young group of players the Flyers should be icing next season.
- jd250

Holy poop

the other day you just cried about trotz being your first choice and Torts your second

Holy poop

the other day you just cried about trotz being your first choice and Torts your second


- THE BLACK HAND

"No I didn't"

There is always such resentment towards for Nolan Patrick being a bust and I understand why. I look at players that have been made available over the years and we weren’t even in on them. Colorado gave up on both Ryan O’Reilly and Matt Duchene and we probably didn’t even pick up the phone.
- SuperSchennBros

How about Buchnevich and Tarasenko last year? Or Dumba who's seemingly available every offseason. The Rangers gave up Buchnevich for a 2nd rounder and a bottom 6 forward and he scored 30 goals this season and is a PPG scorer in the playoffs this year. It's possible the Rangers never would've traded him in division but man, I hope Fletcher at least checked. Pains me what was given up for Ristolainen and with Ghost.

Yea, I'm not that gullible to buy this. Your response wasn't tempered. It was a typical response from you. You asked what that comment even meant because you thought it actually came from Giroux. It's obvious and you can't spin your way out of it. Thanks
- MJL

Whatever genius. I forgot that you already have everything figured out and that everyone else is just walking through your world. Trust me, that comment I made was very tempered. If I thought Giroux actually made those comments I would have been livid and had a hissy fit. I really should have known better though cause if those comments were true there would have been 155 pages of comments on here. Next!

From the Hockey New this morning as to why Torts would not be a good choice for the Flyers at this time:


I agree with this assessment, and you may recall for the past several months I have been calling for the Flyers to go get Lane Lambert, Trotz assistant coach for 13 years. However, as he often is, Lou Lamoriello was one step ahead of the Flyers and the NHL, and fired Trotz so he can keep Lambert. It would be a mistake given the current state of the Flyers to hire an older coach that wants to win now. The Flyers need to think outside the box and get a coach that can grow with their young group of players the Flyers should be icing next season.
- jd250

Yesterday you were all for Trotz.

Chuck is a clown. No faith in him at all. Cant wait to see his first nhl move this off season.

Whatever genius. I forgot that you already have everything figured out and that everyone else is just walking through your world. Trust me, that comment I made was very tempered. If I thought Giroux actually made those comments I would have been livid and had a hissy fit. I really should have known better though cause if those comments were true there would have been 155 pages of comments on here. Next!
- Phillywhiteout

Your original comment was a hissy fit. Thanks

Sanheim put together some good stretches of hockey but he also had his share of struggles last season. Every player is different. Sanheim has not had the overall responsibility and weight on him that Provorov has had over the last seasons. To not factor that in would be negligent. Instead of looking down on Provorov, adjust expectations. He is not a defenseman that can in a #1 role rise above all of the Flyers issues and carry the team. Not many defenseman could. Instead view him as a top pair defenseman that if playing with another legit top pair partner in a structured team setting can be a pretty good player. What's wrong with that? Beware of moving on.
- MJL

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Sanheim can be a #1 dman playing with another top pair partner in a structured team setting. See how easy that was, to write

Every player wants to play with "better" players. The top end ones elevate their partner. Or do you disagree.

Your original comment was a hissy fit. Thanks
- MJL

That's a hissy fit in your world? You and me, we come from different worlds, you like to laugh at me when I look at other girls. Figured I throw in some good ole Hootie and the Blowfish this morning.

How about Buchnevich and Tarasenko last year? Or Dumba who's seemingly available every offseason. The Rangers gave up Buchnevich for a 2nd rounder and a bottom 6 forward and he scored 30 goals this season and is a PPG scorer in the playoffs this year. It's possible the Rangers never would've traded him in division but man, I hope Fletcher at least checked. Pains me what was given up for Ristolainen and with Ghost.
- TobyFlenderson

He didnt check imo

Meanwhile, Sanheim was able to rise above while chained to a total train wreck of a partner, and the poor guy still can't "earn" any PP time.

The team really needs to reevaluate Provy's status as a main building block moving forward. We're entering year seven of his time here... at some point we'll run out of excuses for his inconsistent play.
- Tomahawk

He was on the PP at year end and didn’t look good. Not saying he isn’t deserving over the current crop but I don’t think he’s the answer.

How about Buchnevich and Tarasenko last year? Or Dumba who's seemingly available every offseason. The Rangers gave up Buchnevich for a 2nd rounder and a bottom 6 forward and he scored 30 goals this season and is a PPG scorer in the playoffs this year. It's possible the Rangers never would've traded him in division but man, I hope Fletcher at least checked. Pains me what was given up for Ristolainen and with Ghost.
- TobyFlenderson

Great points. My point is, we’re not in on anything. A lot of people bring up giving away Ghost, we also gave up on Schenn at age 25 I believe. We put all our hopes into Patrick but never had a back up plan.

He didnt check imo
- hello it's me 2050

Probably didn't, but he'll continue to lament the lack of high end talent on this team

Big comeback for the Blues last night. Down 3 goals, facing elimination on the road. Those are the type of games the Flyers pull out in big spots.

He was on the PP at year end and didn’t look good. Not saying he isn’t deserving over the current crop but I don’t think he’s the answer.
- ClaudeFather

Agreed. I couldn’t believe how much Sanheim didn’t look like he belonged on the PP and this is a guy who I thought deserved the time the moment he entered the league.

Big comeback for the Blues last night. Down 3 goals, facing elimination on the road. Those are the type of games the Flyers pull out in big spots.
- PLindbergh31

We’ve definitely have never seen a 3-0 come in a best of 7 series.

Probably didn't, but he'll continue to lament the lack of high end talent on this team
- TobyFlenderson

Tarasenko also was available

Great points. My point is, we’re not in on anything. A lot of people bring up giving away Ghost, we also gave up on Schenn at age 25 I believe. We put all our hopes into Patrick but never had a back up plan.
- SuperSchennBros

Watching the AVs the other night. Boy they are fast - win or lose it is exciting and enjoyable hockey. They chose Rantanen and Makar while we chose Provorov and Patrick. I know its Monday morning quarterbacking, but it does not make it any easier

Great points. My point is, we’re not in on anything. A lot of people bring up giving away Ghost, we also gave up on Schenn at age 25 I believe. We put all our hopes into Patrick but never had a back up plan.
- SuperSchennBros

What the hell does Patrick have to so with Schenn? They have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The Flyers invested in Farabee and Frost when they traded away Schenn. You really do have some strange takes on here.