Mrazek, Holl to the Ducks for Stolarz, Sam Carrick; resign Campbell at reasonable cap hit. 1A/B, Carrick 4RW/depth guy with a year left.

Boosh probably walks, but I wouldn't mind bringing him back as depth, but I don't think he's right as a first pairing guy with Rielly. I would rather Lilly over him playing with Rielly.
- gravyface

I agreem Boosh is better suited for the 2nd or 3rd pairing..

Maybe put Brodie back up with Rielly.
Gio and Liljegren should stay
Sandin and Boosh would be the 3rd pairing.



I don't have as much faith in Stolarz as some here do.. Hasn't proven anything yet

Mrazek, Holl to the Ducks for Stolarz, Sam Carrick; resign Campbell at reasonable cap hit. 1A/B, Carrick 4RW/depth guy with a year left.

Boosh probably walks, but I wouldn't mind bringing him back as depth, but I don't think he's right as a first pairing guy with Rielly. I would rather Lilly over him playing with Rielly.
- gravyface

I agreem Boosh is better suited for the 2nd or 3rd pairing..

Maybe put Brodie back up with Rielly.
Gio and Liljegren should stay
Sandin and Boosh would be the 3rd pairing.



I don't have as much faith in Stolarz as some here do.. Hasn't proven anything yet

CBJ is rebuilding…….

Jenner 3.75m
Merzlikins 5.4m
Texier 1.525m

Nylander 7m
Mrakek 3.8m
Woll - future starter
Holl - 2m
Hirvonen
- mr.sir

sklappy is getting stiff reading this.

I agreem Boosh is better suited for the 2nd or 3rd pairing..

Maybe put Brodie back up with Rielly.
Gio and Liljegren should stay
Sandin and Boosh would be the 3rd pairing.



I don't have as much faith in Stolarz as some here do.. Hasn't proven anything yet
- PatC80

Yeah, kind of forgot about Brodie and Rielly together; they were good.

I think Muzzin's time is probably up though, but who knows.

I don't really either re: Stolarz, but Campbell hadn't proved a ton either before coming here.

ANA is rebuilding, would take Mrazek to fill the void as a backup, and I don't see anyone taking on Gibson's contract. Holl is a stop-gap defenseman who can eat some minutes; we would likely have to sweeten the deal with a pick and/or a prospect.

The problem is Matthews has 2 more years left. In those 2 years the Leafs are unlikely to compete for a Cup because of the poor supporting cast. Tavares is a 2nd line player who should be making $6-7M, not $11M. Marner is an elite winger, but guys like Draisitl, Kucherov, Kaprizov are all in the $8.5M to $9.5M range, whereas Marner is $10.9M. A few million here, a couple million there, and the consequences is awful depth. Look at Kyle Connor who just locked in for just over $7M. Swap him for Marner and you have almost $4M of cap space.

So fast forward 2 years. More playoff failures. Now Dubas either watches Matthews walk away for nothing, or succumbs to what could be a ridiculous demand. I'm thinking $15M x 8 years, NMC, front loaded. Now what? Matthews, Marner, and a bunch of bad depth. Did I mention how bare the cupboard are of draft picks and prospects. So there isn't much help coming. It's ugly.

By trading Matthews you can reset the franchise. Add 2-3 promising players and 2-3 first round picks.

But OK. Forget that. Make a bold move as suggested in this article. So trade Nylander for Brett Pesce. Try to sign Mikheyev. Maybe buyout Mrazek and try Braden Holtby. Another year of Wayne Simmonds and Kyle Clifford, with Jason Spezza begging to play again too. That's BOLD! Haha.
- Cooleus

So earlier today Marner had no value in a trade, now he is elite but just overpaid. And the entire trade Matthews crap is just pure trolling.

You've shown your cards now, you can go away or stop posting this garbage - those are your choices because the toll tolerance level here is very very low.

How do you know what their future supporting cast will look like?
The off season hasnt even started.
- Fakepartofme

Obviously we don't know each moving part, but the lack of cap space severely hinders the ability to make meaningful improvements.

Start at forward...Kase and Engvall are RFAs. Let's say they come back with modest raises. Or maybe Kase walks and you use his $1.25M on some other depth forward. Not moving the needle. Spezza and Blackwell are UFAs making league minimum. So they either come back or are replaced with some other league minimum player. Now Mikheyev making $1.6M. Does he agree to $3M? Great. Basically the same forward group. Oh wait, Nylander gets traded for Pesce or Dumba or some other 3-4 guy? Because you aren't getting a top pair d-man for Nylander.

How about defense. Rielly and Gio have NMCs. Muzzin, Brodie, Holl have NTCs. So what's the plan. Try to move one of these guys to a team not on the NTC list. Sounds easy.

Now in net you're stuck with Mrazek at $3.8M. Bring back Campbell? He's going to need more than the current $1.65M. Let Campbell walk and bring in Holtby? Maybe buy out Mrazek and bring in MAF? None of this moves the needle.

As for using draft picks to entice teams to take on a trash contract...the Leafs have already traded away their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th round picks this year. And their 2nd next year. Did I mention the cupboards are bare?

Anyway, you are right that we don't know the full supporting cast, but it's pretty clear that massive changes aren't realistic.

What an amazing team.
Can’t remember the last Leaf team that went six years straight in the playoffs, WOW.

Matthews is the greatest human being to ever exist. John Tavares is the best captain EVER.
Morgan Reilly is a God on skates. I mean I’ve never seen a better defence assembled by the Toronto Maple Leafs. Wow 😍
- LukeHerrington

What an amazingly obvious troll post. WOW

I'll give you some extra time where you can't post on here to try and think of a time where the Leafs assembled a better Defense if you wish - your on that path currently.

Top line centers, top line winger..... and the only one who could score in a game 7 elimination game was a D-man
- AlfieisKing

Your not even a top line troll but it won't prohibit me from treating you like one don't worry.

I fully endorse this complete nonsense.
- jmatchett383

As much as others would endorse you yet again being banned from here?

So earlier today Marner had no value in a trade, now he is elite but just overpaid. And the entire trade Matthews crap is just pure trolling.

You've shown your cards now, you can go away or stop posting this garbage - those are your choices because the toll tolerance level here is very very low.
- Cush29

To answer this specific point. Yes I think Marner is a top 10 winger in the league. But he's overpaid by at least $1.5M. So that limits his trade value. How many teams have room to add an asset like that? The other limiting aspect to his trade value is he's only locked up for 3 more years and then a UFA at age 28. Some teams will be wary of paying a premium trade price without assurance in locking him up. Sorry if trading Matthews is perceived as trolling. I think it's a legitamate way forward. Look at Quebec trading Lindros. Different dynamic. But it transformed the franchise.

NJ: 2OA pick
TOR: Nylander, Mrazek

NJ buys out Petr and gets a winger to play with Hughes, TOR solves cap space issues and obtains youth without big cap concerns

What do you say?

To answer this specific point. Yes I think Marner is a top 10 winger in the league. But he's overpaid by at least $1.5M. So that limits his trade value. How many teams have room to add an asset like that? The other limiting aspect to his trade value is he's only locked up for 3 more years and then a UFA at age 28. Some teams will be wary of paying a premium trade price without assurance in locking him up. Sorry if trading Matthews is perceived as trolling. I think it's a legitamate way forward. Look at Quebec trading Lindros. Different dynamic. But it transformed the franchise.
- Cooleus

The best part is that these are serious takes, like this is how is brain actually works

here, you can start with this


- dmnted

It doesn’t even say how many Holl’s, er holes. I’ve got friends you know

NJ: 2OA pick
TOR: Nylander, Mrazek

NJ buys out Petr and gets a winger to play with Hughes, TOR solves cap space issues and obtains youth without big cap concerns

What do you say?
- Crushers68

Doesn't help us win now in our current window.

Despite the first round loss, this team is still a contender. Cue the trolls.

Malgin leading the WHC in scoring, could be a shrewd move to sign him to an ELC see if he can find success with the Leafs in north america

To answer this specific point. Yes I think Marner is a top 10 winger in the league. But he's overpaid by at least $1.5M. So that limits his trade value. How many teams have room to add an asset like that? The other limiting aspect to his trade value is he's only locked up for 3 more years and then a UFA at age 28. Some teams will be wary of paying a premium trade price without assurance in locking him up. Sorry if trading Matthews is perceived as trolling. I think it's a legitamate way forward. Look at Quebec trading Lindros. Different dynamic. But it transformed the franchise.
- Cooleus

I find it hard to believe you don't know that almost anyone who knows what Matthews is would consider trading him & that you seriously think it's a good path forward for the Leafs - to trade a player that is easily top 5 or better in the entire league.

Lindros refused to play for Quebec, it's not remotely close to the same thing.

Mrazek, Holl to the Ducks for Stolarz, Sam Carrick; resign Campbell at reasonable cap hit. 1A/B, Carrick 4RW/depth guy with a year left.

Boosh probably walks, but I wouldn't mind bringing him back as depth, but I don't think he's right as a first pairing guy with Rielly. I would rather Lilly over him playing with Rielly.
- gravyface

Carrick is a warrior... he had 11 goals for us.. that like 30 on Leafs..

This would have to be contingent on Gibson being traded.. can't have 10 mil in goalies. Plus I think Stolli is for the money better bargain the Gibby anyways at this point..

Carrick is a warrior... he had 11 goals for us.. that like 30 on Leafs..

This would have to be contingent on Gibson being traded.. can't have 10 mil in goalies. Plus I think Stolli is for the money better bargain the Gibby anyways at this point..
- dozerD10

Yeah, I kind of figured Gibson would be gone too. We would most likely have to sweeten the deal with picks and/or prospects though, but Holl's better than he gets credit for around here.

I find it hard to believe you don't know that almost anyone who knows what Matthews is would consider trading him & that you seriously think it's a good path forward for the Leafs - to trade a player that is easily top 5 or better in the entire league.

Lindros refused to play for Quebec, it's not remotely close to the same thing.
- Cush29

It's cute that you think you're talking to a reasonable person.

NJ: 2OA pick
TOR: Nylander, Mrazek

NJ buys out Petr and gets a winger to play with Hughes, TOR solves cap space issues and obtains youth without big cap concerns

What do you say?
- Crushers68

Done, send the fax.

Done, send the fax.
- .HOHO.

Can’t. They got rid of the analytics guy who is the only person who knows how to replace toner.

Jesus. 14 kids and a teacher killed in an elementary school in Texas. It’s just beyond comprehension

The problem is Matthews has 2 more years left. In those 2 years the Leafs are unlikely to compete for a Cup because of the poor supporting cast. Tavares is a 2nd line player who should be making $6-7M, not $11M. Marner is an elite winger, but guys like Draisitl, Kucherov, Kaprizov are all in the $8.5M to $9.5M range, whereas Marner is $10.9M. A few million here, a couple million there, and the consequences is awful depth. Look at Kyle Connor who just locked in for just over $7M. Swap him for Marner and you have almost $4M of cap space.

So fast forward 2 years. More playoff failures. Now Dubas either watches Matthews walk away for nothing, or succumbs to what could be a ridiculous demand. I'm thinking $15M x 8 years, NMC, front loaded. Now what? Matthews, Marner, and a bunch of bad depth. Did I mention how bare the cupboard are of draft picks and prospects. So there isn't much help coming. It's ugly.

By trading Matthews you can reset the franchise. Add 2-3 promising players and 2-3 first round picks.

But OK. Forget that. Make a bold move as suggested in this article. So trade Nylander for Brett Pesce. Try to sign Mikheyev. Maybe buyout Mrazek and try Braden Holtby. Another year of Wayne Simmonds and Kyle Clifford, with Jason Spezza begging to play again too. That's BOLD! Haha.
- Cooleus

You decided to double down. Crazy.

Jesus. 14 kids and a teacher killed in an elementary school in Texas. It’s just beyond comprehension
- Canada Cup

18 year old shooter

CBJ is rebuilding…….

Jenner 3.75m
Merzlikins 5.4m
Texier 1.525m

Nylander 7m
Mrakek 3.8m
Woll - future starter
Holl - 2m
Hirvonen
- mr.sir

Eww