Price 2017-2021 only had one good year out of 4.

Grubeaur was atrocious after putting up 9 straight .915+ seasons
- Santo_44

I'm not sold on Grubauer. I don't think many people were. He played on excellent teams and no one seemed to have much faith in him despite his excellent stats.

But ultimately, for Gibson - to me - I didn't see a lot of Anaheim this year, but I did see more than just the couple of times we played them - my recollection of Gibson this year was that I had expected him to be better. He allowed some easy goals and really didn't do anything to impress. I've seen him make 10-bell saves before and jaw dropping plays - but I didn't see that this year (admittedly, as I said, small sample size of only a handful of games) and I sort of still expect to see that from a guy of his calibre. If he's struggling in a remote hockey market like Anaheim, how would he fare under the magnifying glass of Toronto?

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Merzlikins Jenner and Texier
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Nylander Mrazek Holl Woll and Hirvonen

I already know Gigsy and Archaic say ❌
No need to reply 👍
- mr.sir

IMO, Woll isn't needed to be included in the Deal.

Gibson is a very good goalie on a terrible team. I don't like the length of that contract but at $6.4M its not crazy. Mrazek is poisoned landfill, Leafs paid a first to get rid of the Marleau deal which only had a year left. It will cost at least a second IMO to get rid of Mrazek and his two remaining years. Alternative is a buyout. He needs to be gone and it should be priority #1 before the draft.
- winsix

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Mrazek is a Leafs next season.

Goalering.
- AdamFrench

i’m ready for big changes like a new #1 goalador👍

definitely some stronger defensiliers👍🏿

and a few schwer vorwartzieren for the top 9👍

Marleau was basically done and was being bought out - the payment of the 1st was also because Marleau had an NMC and could control where he was going - and the deal was that he wasn't going to play for Carolina. Even after the deal, Waddell made one last effort to try and get Marleau to change his mind, but he wanted to go back to SJ and wasn't going to play, so Waddell honoured the terms of the original deal - to buy him out.

Mrazek could just need a change of scenery. His value has likely never been lower, but enticement to take him on shouldn't be that high. They gave up a 2nd with Ritchie to get Lyubushkin. If you're dumping Mrazek and getting something of value in return, then a 2nd is likely included, otherwise I'd think it's at most a 3rd or equivalent - or less. I think, and I believe, that a lot of NHL GMs also think that Mrazek is still an NHL goalie who just needs to play elsewhere. Take him for a 2022 7th and get a 2023 4th; if you have cap space, it's a risk worth taking.

Gibson - he has a great reputation. He had three great years. He came with all the expecations of the world, as well - and he delivered for 3 solid years. Great goalies still help elevate crappy teams - and this year's Ducks team wasn't that bad. Stolarz has outplayed him each of the past 3 years, but in those 3 years where Gibson was good, he was the better half of the goalie tandem.

Would a change of scenery be all he needs? I don't know, but there are about 32 million reasons to be afraid to find out.
- Monkeypunk

Gibson is good, but TBH, Campbell is OK IMO at $3.5M Oilers are beating the Flames like a rented mule with a hobo in net. Kallgren is better than Smith FFS. Did you see that 100' bouncer that went in yesterday? A first to unload Marleau was too much. It was one year of $6M cap space when things were much less tight than they are now. IMO Mrazek gets bought out by the team that trades for him - or by the Leafs if they can't get a deal done. He's injury prone, not reliable and very poor positionally. Couldn't be much worse. If your team has no confidence in the guy in net, they generally play poorly to overcompensate the fear of any shots on goal.

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- dmnted

Not likely

I remember everyone on here saying Kane was a brutal signing

Without him EDM has a 1st round exit, Mcdavid is sure happy with the signing
- Santo_44

Pretty sure 90% were talking about his character and how it would be a bad look.

Not his ability… but you knew that and are just being arrogant again.

I'm not sold on Grubauer. I don't think many people were. He played on excellent teams and no one seemed to have much faith in him despite his excellent stats.

But ultimately, for Gibson - to me - I didn't see a lot of Anaheim this year, but I did see more than just the couple of times we played them - my recollection of Gibson this year was that I had expected him to be better. He allowed some easy goals and really didn't do anything to impress. I've seen him make 10-bell saves before and jaw dropping plays - but I didn't see that this year (admittedly, as I said, small sample size of only a handful of games) and I sort of still expect to see that from a guy of his calibre. If he's struggling in a remote hockey market like Anaheim, how would he fare under the magnifying glass of Toronto?
- Monkeypunk

How do you explain his 5.9M market value? GMs do not just sign these guys to these numbers for fun.

But also how do you know he is struggling from pressure?

How do you know its the lack of pressure? playing on a bad team for so long? Goaltending is a mental game as much as it is skill. Gibson has the skill and nobody can convince me he is having age related decline at 28 or injury related decline.

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Mrazek is a Leafs next season.
- dmnted

No! Bad! Bad!

You go sit in the corner and think about what you've done!

That goes for both teams!! 🤨

Pretty sure 90% were talking about his character and how it would be a bad look.

Not his ability… but you knew that and are just being arrogant again.
- jribout

Yes, and I argued who cares because it wouldn't matter at the end of the day because it was a 1 year 1.5m zero risk move

And he is showing the Oilers gm was correct

Top line centers, top line winger..... and the only one who could score in a game 7 elimination game was a D-man
- AlfieisKing

That goes for both teams!🤨

yup 👍

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- Skalapy

Everything will be a nuclear wasteland soon anyway, I'm gonna just start shooting heroin

How do you explain his 5.9M market value? GMs do not just sign these guys to these numbers for fun.

But also how do you know he is struggling from pressure?

How do you know its the lack of pressure? playing on a bad team for so long? Goaltending is a mental game as much as it is skill. Gibson has the skill and nobody can convince me he is having age related decline at 28 or injury related decline.
- Santo_44

Sometimes it's not injury or age. He's 28. That shouldn't be it.

Sometimes it's confidence you don't find. Felix Potvin comes to mind.

Sometimes the shooters get the book on you and you can't adjust.

Sometimes your style doesn't match your aging and the ever-so-slight decline in motion is enough to open you up to shooters, and it is age or injury related.

poop happens.

Again, though, I don't know - I just feel that things are so f'n tight to the cap that a $6.4m risk on a goalie who just hasn't shown that he is still _the Man_ when he has to be, is not a roll of the dice we can afford.

With Grubauer - I recall lots of analysts saying that they didn't think Carolina was going to make inroads in the playoffs with him as their goalie. I think $5.9m was an overpayment for him on _that_ expansion team in particular (what was Francis thinking? Seriously?), but some of the things we've talked about over the past two days are absolutely true: Defense, style, gap control, personnel, coaching, acclimation, confidence and so on all play a role here. Some adjustments in Seattle next year and Grubauer could look good again. Same could be true for Gibson - get on a roll and just go with it. Like Potvin in LA.

All the insiders said there was interest in him halfway through the year

I think teams with cap space will look at him as a free asset where they can even gain an asset as well as Mrazek playing like the starter he has in the past.

Same crap was said about Ritchie and look what it took to move him.

a 2nd and also adding Boosh which likely was worth a 3rd or 4th on the open market.
- Santo_44

don't forget it's either a 3rd in 2023 or the 2nd in 2025.
we don't know what Arizona will do yet.

Agree I'd rather bet on a good goalie than a hot hand

Plus with the cap going up it would be nice to have a goalie locked up when am and Marner need contracts

Seravelli projects 91.5M by 25-26, Friedman says a reasonable bet escrow is paid off by then

If they have to sign a goalie that season all of a sudden a 5M goalie today becomes a 6M goalie then
- Santo_44

That is a "then" problem'.
No guarantee the cap goes up that much.
Gibson isnt worth it.

Jack ain’t the guy in net. May demand too much as a backup. I don’t think the Leafs should move on from Micky either.

Ship out Mrazek, Campbell, HOLL (ffs!), Kerfoot. Get Gibson out of Anaheim, sign Mickey and try to get Tyler Bertuzzi or Naz back. The core isn’t going anywhere and Leafs will have to get creative. Somehow, Pridham figures the cap poop out.
- iTOLDu

Would only be able to play half the games, since he refuses to get vaxed.

Or has the rules for in and out of Canada/US changed?

Yes, and I argued who cares because it wouldn't matter at the end of the day because it was a 1 year 1.5m zero risk move

And he is showing the Oilers gm was correct
- Santo_44

The prospect of brining in Kane had risk attached to it for teams who didn't do it (including Toronto) and the Oilers. His reputation proceeds him and the risk was to disrupt a team of players who all got along and this is what people had reservations about including 30 other GM's.

Yes it worked out well for the Oilers so far but to say it was a zero risk move is just plain inaccurate.

Indeed so far the Oilers gamble is paying off.

I remember everyone on here saying Kane was a brutal signing

Without him EDM has a 1st round exit, Mcdavid is sure happy with the signing
- Santo_44

where's that video link of McDavid giving the stink eye to Kane after showing 7 fingers as a celly
silly spatso making things up again.

I mean his stats don't really say he's good. Over 3 GAA over past few years, .900 SV%. Like what makes him good? Usually good goalies on bad teams have good stats.

I think it's a really big risk to take on Gibson especially if Anaheim moves on from him. He was supposed to be a franchise goalie. How does a team give up on that and the guy still be amazing?

Might as well go see if you can pry Varlamov out of the Islanders.
- Aaron_85

Apparently the couple of years before the past 3 years?
Agreed. Gibson isnt the answer and would kill our cap.
The cap increase and Kessel's cap retention are pretty much spoken for with Morgan's extension.

Everything will be a nuclear wasteland soon anyway, I'm gonna just start shooting heroin
- Zezel

safer than fentanyl👍

Yes, and I argued who cares because it wouldn't matter at the end of the day because it was a 1 year 1.5m zero risk move

And he is showing the Oilers gm was correct
- Santo_44

For some people character matters.

The prospect of brining in Kane had risk attached to it for teams who didn't do it (including Toronto) and the Oilers. His reputation proceeds him and the risk was to disrupt a team of players who all got along and this is what people had reservations about including 30 other GM's.

Yes it worked out well for the Oilers so far but to say it was a zero risk move is just plain inaccurate.

Indeed so far the Oilers gamble is paying off.
- Cush29

Agreed with the above.
But Kane is having an unbelievable playoffs. 12 goals already, I believe no one has scored more than 15 in a couple of decades.
How he's played these playoffs would have been a difference maker in the Tampa series.
But that is speaking in hindsight, at the time I didnt want to trade or sign him either.

where's that video link of McDavid giving the stink eye to Kane after showing 7 fingers as a celly
silly spatso making things up again.
- dmnted

Tell me how that is relevant, would the Oilers have swept the Flames by now if he didnt do that?

Bottom line is Kane and Mcdavid are playing amazing and they are celebrating together for a lot of goals.

The goal is to win the cup and that is what the move is helping with.

Anyone saying that was not a good signing is just grasping at straws.

Unless you can explain to me how Kane is making the oilers chances worse right now. I am all ears.

Not likely
- winsix

that's only wishful thinking.

yeah, not the greatest thing but I think the Leafs are stuck with him.
if the Leafs buy him out, what kind signal/optics/red flag does it send to a UFA.