The big question regarding Debrincat is does he want to stay through a 3 to 5 year rebuild during his prime years. Keep him he part if the solution and future captain imo. Trade him and most likely get bug haul back. I think if a team for example like jersey is willing to give the hawks the 2nd overall pick on this upcoming draft and other assets have to think Davidson would have to consider it. Similar to the Hagel trade.
- Scott1977

If all the Hawks players are so good that some on this BOD do not want to trade anybody and just shuffle the 4th line, why haven't they made the playoffs in a 1/2 a decade?

So if you do the bolded, then what? Trade the players from these drafts in a couple of years for more picks? I’m sorry but I don’t agree with your strategy. You are rebuilding, you don’t trade young assets while rebuilding unless you get blown away, and I doubt what you are proposing above will blow KD away. I could understand if you trade Kane for picks and young assets, he’s heading into his mid thirties and you are rebuilding, I’d hate to see that happen but I would be aligned. Remember, for every McDavid there are ten’s of Yakupov’s….
- Angotti

Agree to disagree...trading away a 2nd pairing, injury prone D man and a kid who MAY figure it out for #7 overall and a 2nd 2023? Maybe I am light on the return but I think people are strongly miss evaluating how good Murphy is and what he is viewed as around the league.

I don't disagree with your prospect analogy....exactly why I included Dach and not Reichel......

Biggest injustice in the aftermath of the of the past regime is how McD skates.
Especially how he mostly escaped the Beach aftermath.
- vabeachbear

1000% and I would be wiling to wager money that as part of his airtight exit, public defamation by members of the Hawks organization could remove his gag order.

Reason why they don't say a peep about him, and he does the same about the Hawks.

He's scum....

If all the Hawks players are so good that some on this BOD do not want to trade anybody and just shuffle the 4th line, why haven't they made the playoffs in a 1/2 a decade?
- LAHawk

I'm happy to trade whomever, but not just for the sake of trading them because you need assets. My sticking point is ADB is precisely the type of player that you want and are trying to develop. Don't trade him unless you get a ton of value back with at least one being a current young player/prospect who has shown the ability to play in the NHL.

Yea I'm thinking a team that had less points than the Blackhawks over the past year isn't going to be giving away any 1st round draft picks just yet.
- BetweenTheDots

Injurys, Ruff not being a very good coach and bad goaltending played more into that then anything else.

Hughes and Dougie were injured for a good portion of the year.

If Kane and Jones were out for over 30 games in one case and 20 in the other with Flower not on the team, I'm sure the Hawks would have been fighting Montreal and Arizona for that bottom spot.

They brought up quite a few younger players at the end of the year that did fairly well and I think the hope is for some of them to take on a bigger role next year.

I think if anything the sentiment in NJ is similar to the one in Chicago 2 years ago except that the core in NJ is young and up and coming while the core in Chicago was in their twilight. Adding the right pieces and finding some consistent goaltending (and health) would do a lot to move them in the right direction.

Yea, which to me is buyer beware, 2 teams that rely heavily on the draft willing to trade out of the top 10, to me if i understand Wiz correctly you let those teams eat those picks.

It's not like they are offering their 2023 1st round pick, are they?
- BetweenTheDots

No, b/c New Jersey knows the Slovakian kid is huge gamble and do not want to draft a second almost six foot USA program centre who isn't as fast as Hughes, though teams do see him as in that top consolation slot.

And Ottawa also knows that by their first choice, a team would love to select 10th, whether they have fallen in love with defenseman Kevin Korchinski, or want the one of the consolatiuon Finnish forwards to develop, or would simply be happy with Cutter Gauthier who no one projects as a sure fire big scoring machine but a guy who has the looks of a solid NHLer almost guaranteed.

There are going to plenty of teams offering defenseman and even multiple players because they want a new look/ hope to sell in their cities, and trading a defender is rarely as Earth shattering as sending fan favorite forwards away.

I have no doubt Ottawa will receive an overpay for that pick, but on the other had, they want a vet on the backline not more kids and an over population of prospects since you no longer can be the Montreal team form post expansion that bury so much talent and there was no way the rules forbade them from doing so. No more.

I like the plan you lay out here.

To me, I see more flashes from Reichel and maybe once he pots his first one in the show he takes off confidence wise. Just seems to have more skill and awareness and has succeeded everywhere but the NHL.....so far.

Dach...You see the goals where he gets moving, drives the net and shows quick hands for a big guy....flash....and then he disappears for long stretches and it's aggravating. I agree on your timeline.....would Ottawa take Murphy/Dach for 7 this year and 2nd round in 2023? Then you move DeBrincat to NJ and get 2....You then have 2, 1s this year, and you are an Edmonton win away from a 3rd 2nd this year. You get 1 of the 2 players worth a crap this year overall, and now you are rolling.

Tank next year...Sign Delia, start him, and be in contention for 1st overall next year, along with Tampa's 1st and 3 2nds in a deep draft.

That to me gets me excited. that's before you even factor in what you could get for Toews and/or Kane if 1 and/or both ask to be dealt.

I'll defer to Wiz on the prospects this year....but that Canadian kid or Slafkovsky is there at 2.
- SteveRain

Dach doesn't have Daze hands\finish though and therein lies the problem. He at least needs to not get knocked over so much and physically impose himself. Hopefully that is something we see more of next year.

Don't forget taking on the salary of Mrazek for Toronto. That has to be worth something.

The Hawks could theoretically hold onto (some figure determined by the asset) of the Toews contact and ship him to Calgary for what is left of Monohan and Chara because Daryl would love him as a 4th line center and then they have more monies to pay Johnny and Tkachuk. A declining Jonathan Toews is still way better than whatever Chara is giving them. Plus you know THE WILL TO WIN and all that jazz.

There are a lot of opportunities to get a preposterous amount of young talent and somewhat right the ship and a lot of that process it is a numbers game.

So if you do the bolded, then what? Trade the players from these drafts in a couple of years for more picks? I’m sorry but I don’t agree with your strategy. You are rebuilding, you don’t trade young assets while rebuilding unless you get blown away, and I doubt what you are proposing above will blow KD away. I could understand if you trade Kane for picks and young assets, he’s heading into his mid thirties and you are rebuilding, I’d hate to see that happen but I would be aligned. Remember, for every McDavid there are ten’s of Yakupov’s….
- Angotti

Unless the young asset isn't part of the plan anymore.

Between 2018 and 1980 like 70% of the 1st overall picks became productive hockey players. That's pretty neat.

The Hockey Writers did an assessment on second overall success and again it is pretty pretty pretty good.

Dach doesn't have Daze hands\finish though and therein lies the problem. He at least needs to not get knocked over so much and physically impose himself. Hopefully that is something we see more of next year.

Don't forget taking on the salary of Mrazek for Toronto. That has to be worth something.

The Hawks could theoretically hold onto (some figure determined by the asset) of the Toews contact and ship him to Calgary for what is left of Monohan and Chara because Daryl would love him as a 4th line center and then they have more monies to pay Johnny and Tkachuk. A declining Jonathan Toews is still way better than whatever Chara is giving them. Plus you know THE WILL TO WIN and all that jazz.

There are a lot of opportunities to get a preposterous amount of young talent and somewhat right the ship and a lot of that process it is a numbers game.
- fattybeef

Who's Chara? You mean Lucic?

Its a real Catch 22.

Why trade someone who is pretty much a franchise player, relatively young when the pipeline is bare.

But how else can you fill the pipeline unless you move the player that can get you the most value.

If Kane sticks around and they (lets say get the 2nd overall this year and a top 5 next year). Then, theoretically, they have two high end NHL ready players and by year 3 or 4 they're in the mix.

That's dependent on Jones being able to continue to provide 25 good minutes a night and Ian Mitchell not sucking (or one of the other kiddos being able to take on a bigger role).

But if they keep Debrincat around then that scenario is probably less possible. I don't know that Murphy gets a 7th overall. Maybe Murphy + but I'm not sure what that would take.
- fattybeef

Sure is a catch 22 and you're only getting 1 shot at trading a Dcat type, better get it right.

Safe to assume Dcat brings back in a trade at least what he would if he were offer sheeted? 2 1sts, 1 2nd and 1 3rd? https://thewincolumn.ca/2...sheet-compensation-tiers/

Sure is a catch 22 and you're only getting 1 shot at trading a Dcat type, better get it right.

Safe to assume Dcat brings back in a trade at least what he would if he were offer sheeted? 2 1sts, 1 2nd and 1 3rd? https://thewincolumn.ca/2...sheet-compensation-tiers/
- Mr Ricochet

Would rather have 2 of those picks, an established young NHLer, and a top prospect than 4 picks.

If all the Hawks players are so good that some on this BOD do not want to trade anybody and just shuffle the 4th line, why haven't they made the playoffs in a 1/2 a decade?
- LAHawk

There is case to trade him and there is case to keep. Ultimately Davidson needs to figure that and what players fit his plan going forward imo. We as fans will find out in the next coming weeks and at the draft. All we can do now is have discussion and opinions.

There is case to trade him and there is case to keep. Ultimately Davidson needs to figure that and what players fit his plan going forward imo. We as fans will find out in the next coming weeks and at the draft. All we can do now is have discussion and opinions.
- Scott1977

Completely agree Scott, I'm wondering if the #2 pick Bowman protected was for Ivan.

They say this class is better than last year but who is they? Saying it's a crap shoot between 2 and 9 now?

Completely agree Scott, I'm wondering if the #2 pick Bowman protected was for Ivan.

They say this class is better than last year but who is they? Saying it's a crap shoot between 2 and 9 now?
- BetweenTheDots

The same they that say next years draft class is better than this year.

Anyone care to predict which team wins the Carolina- NYR series?

Anyone care to predict which team wins the Carolina- NYR series?
- jhawk59

I predict the team that gets to 4 wins first wins the series

No, b/c New Jersey knows the Slovakian kid is huge gamble and do not want to draft a second almost six foot USA program centre who isn't as fast as Hughes, though teams do see him as in that top consolation slot.

And Ottawa also knows that by their first choice, a team would love to select 10th, whether they have fallen in love with defenseman Kevin Korchinski, or want the one of the consolatiuon Finnish forwards to develop, or would simply be happy with Cutter Gauthier who no one projects as a sure fire big scoring machine but a guy who has the looks of a solid NHLer almost guaranteed.

There are going to plenty of teams offering defenseman and even multiple players because they want a new look/ hope to sell in their cities, and trading a defender is rarely as Earth shattering as sending fan favorite forwards away.

I have no doubt Ottawa will receive an overpay for that pick, but on the other had, they want a vet on the backline not more kids and an over population of prospects since you no longer can be the Montreal team form post expansion that bury so much talent and there was no way the rules forbade them from doing so. No more.
- wiz1901

Thanks Wiz, everyone knows here I'd be fine with Murphy being traded

I guess we'll see how KD views the value of our players.

Anyone care to predict which team wins the Carolina- NYR series?
- jhawk59

If Carolina doesn't win this series it will be a miracle. Why doesn't the ref call goalie interference instead of trying to separate the Canes player off Igor? What a joke!

If Carolina doesn't win this series it will be a miracle. Why doesn't the ref call goalie interference instead of trying to separate the Canes player off Igor? What a joke!
- powerenforcer

Bettman, and by extension, the refs hate all teams with red sweaters except the teams with red sweaters that they don’t hate.

Thanks Wiz, everyone knows here I'd be fine with Murphy being traded

I guess we'll see how KD views the value of our players.
- BetweenTheDots

If it turns out that Murphy alone is an overpayment for Ottawa #1 '22, I would be thrilled over the heist. We can live with another kid in the show; the kids are farther along now anyway. Even should C Jones receive playing time, then probably he would prove he isn't worth keeping. There is Vlasic, Regula, Galvas each could play NHL now. Mitchel is a given. Murphy as headlights is merely a matter of when it goes down. I know his veteran experience supposedly is comforting, but then again he kind of sucks + he gets injured often.

Anyone care to predict which team wins the Carolina- NYR series?
- jhawk59

Yes

The battle of Alberta is not exactly a goaltenders classic

Looks like last shot wins.

CAL vs EDM… defense/goaltending optional.

CAL vs EDM… defense/goaltending optional.
- Chief4Feathers

4 goals in 1:11.

via GIPHY

Whether Calgary wins or looses, Sutter’s post game presser should be a classic,