Theo I m be wrong on this but it seems akex turcotte has kinda fallen out favor with the Kings or his development has not gone the right way the Kings invisioned. I would at least give a call and serm if he is available your thoughts?
- Scott1977

I know others have weighed in on Turcotte already so here's my take.

Given Turcotte being lower on the Kings depth chart for centers, one perspective is that LA will be patient with him but will he be patient in return? If not, perhaps he gambles on himself and requests a trade to an organization that isn't as deep at center especially pivots with top 6 talent.

Lo and behold, the Hawks fit that mold and they could use a center of his ilk in the system.

I believe Turcotte was tacitly disappointed when Chicago didn't take him 3rd overall when they took Dach instead. As a hometown kid, Turcotte may have a desire still to play for the Hawks.

But the question would then be whether Davidson covets Turcotte and would try trading for him.

Also if Ottawa is offering the 7th pick for trade, what does that say about this draft? A team that hates spending money.
- BetweenTheDots

I haven't done enough digging on this yet but the report I read was the Senators would be open to trading the 7th overall in 2022 for an impact player without defining the exact position of said player.

If that's a forward like DeBrincat, then I still submit that it would take a package like two 1sts, a 2nd, and a top prospect (or replace the 2nd with an NHL-projectable prospect who may not necessarily be top 6 F or top 3 D).

Just spitballing a possible trade with Ottawa.

Senators receive:
DeBrincat
An asset like Kalynuk, Beaudin, or mid-round draft pick

Blackhawks receive:
2022 1st
2023 1st
2022 2nd (2023 is fine, too)
Shane Pinto

Or replace the 2nd with tough-as-nails forward prospects Ridly Greig or Tyler Boucher (prefer Greig). Or defensive defensemen Tyler Kleven or Jacob Bernard-Docker (prefer Kleven). Maybe offensive defenseman Lassi Thomson (still prefer Kleven).

Pinto could be a really great two-way center with offensive jam in the NHL in the mold of Sean Couturier. Possibly even Toews-like.

Guessing Sens fans would laugh and balk at this trade proposal. Likely way too much for their liking and the Hawks would need to receive one less asset like one of the 1sts or Pinto.

Someone please remind everyone what the Kings actually did this season?

Got to the first round, and lost - so basically a good year for the Bears - not that exciting, but a couple more gates for the owner I guess.

MYQuist

Cannot recall exactly your avatar and the member search didn't.churn out your name.

So I would like to know if you have seen or heard Roos play in your area being Sweden. Are you excited for his future in Chicago.

MYQuist

Cannot recall exactly your avatar and the member search didn't.churn out your name.

So I would like to know if you have seen or heard Roos play in your area being Sweden. Are you excited for his future in Chicago.
- jhawk59

His id is: MjulQvist

I know others have weighed in on Turcotte already so here's my take.

Given Turcotte being lower on the Kings depth chart for centers, one perspective is that LA will be patient with him but will he be patient in return? If not, perhaps he gambles on himself and requests a trade to an organization that isn't as deep at center especially pivots with top 6 talent.

Lo and behold, the Hawks fit that mold and they could use a center of his ilk in the system.

I believe Turcotte was tacitly disappointed when Chicago didn't take him 3rd overall when they took Dach instead. As a hometown kid, Turcotte may have a desire still to play for the Hawks.

But the question would then be whether Davidson covets Turcotte and would try trading for him.
- Theo Fox

At what point do you start to wonder if Turcotte will start slipping into the "bust" category. His first 3 years after being drafted have been tough. He has had injuries and you have had 2 Covid years. Does he become a D. Strome, who took a few years to arrive, and had struggled off and on, but has shown he can be an effective player in the right situation..or..does he become Alex Nylander, who has shown flashes of skill but has never been able to maintain it at the NHL level. Is he Kakko, maybe carrying too much expectations because of his high draft slot.

No not really there's plenty of POS in the league
- BetweenTheDots

Yeah, and Binnington is one of them.

There was nothing wrong with that play. The overhead view clearly shows he was redirected into the goalie by a Blues defender.

Yeah, and Binnington is one of them.

There was nothing wrong with that play. The overhead view clearly shows he was redirected into the goalie by a Blues defender.
- Ogilthorpe2

Mike Smith another. I still can't understand how Keith can hug him after games.

Man if Colorado p-sses this away it will be an ALL TIME choke job. As much as i rip Toronto, and rightfully so, the avs inability to get past round 2 with those loaded young team by Sakic trying to piece mail it at the goalie position is always cringe worthy.

Kuemper gave up some horrible rebounds and was unable to make a key save when his team needed it. Including OT......I don't know if STL has enough to win 3 straight, including 2 in Denver, but a team like Edmonton or Tampa will likely expose him further...and Tampa has the D pieces and goalie to withstand the barrage of shots you need to vs the Avs

Lastly for all the hate of Seth Jones...anyone watch Makar last night? Great offensive talent but as a defenseman? My god....he was horrible and why is he on the ice late in that game...completely clueless and plays a little soft in his own end.

You know the more I think about trading DeBrincat the more I start to lean towards a "no" only because the return you get HAS to hit because of now you don't have any younger kids in the system trending to be a top 6 player as of now.....If you had a Caufield or Zegreras already here, it would make trading him 100% a lot easier....but Dach is still an unknown as is Reichel.

You are left with Strome IF you resign him and again....take away better players from him and does hie produce? Does he make others around him better OR does he need better players to play with to hit his ceiling in regards to ability?

Man...I don't envy Davidson's position at all.....as the ole E1-5 likes to say, so many dominoes hit depending upon the direction...I don't think it's as clear as I thought it was...

You keep DeBrincat, you likely resign Strome and kane reups and you roll out that line and take pressure off of whatever younger kids you have behind them who are slotted to be impact players.

You trade DeBrincat, you likely don't resign Strome and deal him, and you deal Kane....and then you have to not only get a nice package back for 2 of 3 (12/88) but you also then have to turn those picks into impact players which likely takes a few years down the road.....

Again...what an absolute crap show Bowman left Davidson. Can't say that enough.

- SteveRain

Its a real Catch 22.

Why trade someone who is pretty much a franchise player, relatively young when the pipeline is bare.

But how else can you fill the pipeline unless you move the player that can get you the most value.

If Kane sticks around and they (lets say get the 2nd overall this year and a top 5 next year). Then, theoretically, they have two high end NHL ready players and by year 3 or 4 they're in the mix.

That's dependent on Jones being able to continue to provide 25 good minutes a night and Ian Mitchell not sucking (or one of the other kiddos being able to take on a bigger role).

But if they keep Debrincat around then that scenario is probably less possible. I don't know that Murphy gets a 7th overall. Maybe Murphy + but I'm not sure what that would take.

Also if Ottawa is offering the 7th pick for trade, what does that say about this draft? A team that hates spending money.
- BetweenTheDots

Ottawa, to a lesser extent but not dissimilar to Jersey, have some young talent that should be ready to take a step forward at this stage.

The org sounds like a complete poop show (even before the owner passed away) and that has caused a lot of problems which have probably translated to on ice issues as well.

Mike Smith another. I still can't understand how Keith can hug him after games.
- powerenforcer

Keith only cares about winning and could care less about his teammates?

Mike Smith another. I still can't understand how Keith can hug him after games.
- powerenforcer

Well Keith has been known to pull some #### also, just he wore an Indian crest so that made it allright in this BOD

Well Keith has been known to pull some #### also, just he wore an Indian crest so that made it allright in this BOD
- LAHawk

It’s like Kadri. If he played for Chicago guys like Dots wouldn’t hate him or call him a POS.

Keith only cares about winning and could care less about his teammates?
- fattybeef

He's a player and not a fan. Smith is crucial to the success of the Oilers and by extension Keith.

He's a player and not a fan. Smith is crucial to the success of the Oilers and by extension Keith.
- Chunk

Smith didn’t look so crucial on Calgary’s tying goal.

Smith didn’t look so crucial on Calgary’s tying goal.
- paulr

Precisely my point.

Its a real Catch 22.

Why trade someone who is pretty much a franchise player, relatively young when the pipeline is bare.

But how else can you fill the pipeline unless you move the player that can get you the most value.

If Kane sticks around and they (lets say get the 2nd overall this year and a top 5 next year). Then, theoretically, they have two high end NHL ready players and by year 3 or 4 they're in the mix.

That's dependent on Jones being able to continue to provide 25 good minutes a night and Ian Mitchell not sucking (or one of the other kiddos being able to take on a bigger role).

But if they keep Debrincat around then that scenario is probably less possible. I don't know that Murphy gets a 7th overall. Maybe Murphy + but I'm not sure what that would take.
- fattybeef

Great post....and again to the credit of Paul, the missing of that window to trade some of these past greats to replenish the pipeline was a huge miss..Similar to the Cubs not pivoting away from their core after seeing it not win from 2016-2021

I saw you didn't bring up Reichel and Dach...and again, nothing personal to either but we are quickly being reminded what happens when you decide that THIS kid should be chosen at 3rd overall and doesn't hit as quickly as you need, or possibly at all.....and yes, I am still hopeful Dach hits......but imagine if they had Caufield or Zegreras.....How easy it would be then to move on from a DeBrincat and still possibly get a massive return?

The more I sit here and think about it, and the more I watch these last 7 teams play...the Hawks are years away from playing at that level.....and IMO I don't think davidson could have walked in to a bigger $hit storm if we sat here and debated it for months.

He has 2 marque players who could fetch a big return...12/88

He has an overpaid top defensemen in Jones, who the more I see the likes of Fox and Makar play, the more I realize this is likely the new prototype top NHL defender...offensively gifted and needing a shutdown player to cover his @ss not only as a partner but his fs...see McKinnon cover him last night when we wandering deep?

He has the captain who is a shell of himself and has verbally given signs he doesn't know if he can personally handle a rebuild and what his role is.....

That's before we go looking down the roster further, and in the prospect pool.

I mean I can't think of many worse scenarios for Davidson to navigate than what he has on some white board at 1901 w madison and likely just shakes his head......

Oh and Sopel is the latest to come out and bash the hell out Bowman...maybe it's time to remove the ole red font from the #StanFail(s)

It’s like Kadri. If he played for Chicago guys like Dots wouldn’t hate him or call him a POS.
- paulr

Eh, that half ass effort at attempting to block Bozak's winner.....that would raise my blood pressure....Difference between his effort vs the Blues guy who took it off the hip or his own defender Johnson is the difference between winning playoff OT games and not.

can someone provide this quote...

Oh and Sopel is the latest to come out and bash the hell out Bowman...maybe it's time to remove the ole red font from the #StanFail(s)

Great post....and again to the credit of Paul, the missing of that window to trade some of these past greats to replenish the pipeline was a huge miss..Similar to the Cubs not pivoting away from their core after seeing it not win from 2016-2021

I saw you didn't bring up Reichel and Dach...and again, nothing personal to either but we are quickly being reminded what happens when you decide that THIS kid should be chosen at 3rd overall and doesn't hit as quickly as you need, or possibly at all.....and yes, I am still hopeful Dach hits......but imagine if they had Caufield or Zegreras.....How easy it would be then to move on from a DeBrincat and still possibly get a massive return?

The more I sit here and think about it, and the more I watch these last 7 teams play...the Hawks are years away from playing at that level.....and IMO I don't think davidson could have walked in to a bigger $hit storm if we sat here and debated it for months.

He has 2 marque players who could fetch a big return...12/88

He has an overpaid top defensemen in Jones, who the more I see the likes of Fox and Makar play, the more I realize this is likely the new prototype top NHL defender...offensively gifted and needing a shutdown player to cover his @ss not only as a partner but his fs...see McKinnon cover him last night when we wandering deep?

He has the captain who is a shell of himself and has verbally given signs he doesn't know if he can personally handle a rebuild and what his role is.....

That's before we go looking down the roster further, and in the prospect pool.

I mean I can't think of many worse scenarios for Davidson to navigate than what he has on some white board at 1901 w madison and likely just shakes his head......

Oh and Sopel is the latest to come out and bash the hell out Bowman...maybe it's time to remove the ole red font from the #StanFail(s)

- SteveRain

Thanks Steve but it’s easy for a Monday morning quarterback, me, to make a suggestion with absolutely no pressure.

As for Stan, yes he (frank)ed up some things but he was also a large part of the best and most successful decade of Blackhawk hockey.

Thanks Steve but it’s easy for a Monday morning quarterback, me, to make a suggestion with absolutely no pressure.

As for Stan, yes he (frank)ed up some things but he was also a large part of the best and most successful decade of Blackhawk hockey.
- paulr

Honest question....do you think this is a smear campaign against him at this point? Between Foley as the season ended bringing it up a few times unprovoked and even the Sopel interview yesterday....seems some talking points are out there.

I wouldn't put it past the Wirtz's to bash a fall guy after letting THE guy they should be bashing the living hell out of, McDonough, get off scott free.....Funny how that works, eh? Not one whisper of him or ripping him by anyone in the organization especially after the way Talon left the team.........

Ottawa, to a lesser extent but not dissimilar to Jersey, have some young talent that should be ready to take a step forward at this stage.

The org sounds like a complete poop show (even before the owner passed away) and that has caused a lot of problems which have probably translated to on ice issues as well.
- fattybeef

So Ottawa and NJ trading away all their talent for picks and prospects, now because they are ready to compete they have to trade back for experienced players they couldn't draft or develop? Just let that soak in

So Ottawa and NJ trading away all their talent for picks and prospects, now because they are ready to compete they have to trade back for experienced players they couldn't draft or develop? Just let that soak in
- BetweenTheDots

Who did they trade away that are difference makers? I think Ottawa getting rid of Karlsson (which was forced upon them) ended up being a great trade for Ottawa. I don't remember NJ having any difference makers that they trade, I wouldn't call Palmeiri a difference maker. Coleman is a nice player on the third line, which is what he was for Tampa, but I am sure NJ was glad to get a first for him. Look at the Hawks with the load they got for Hagel. He is a nice piece, but no difference maker.

Yeah, and Binnington is one of them.

There was nothing wrong with that play. The overhead view clearly shows he was redirected into the goalie by a Blues defender.
- Ogilthorpe2

Couldn't agree more on Binnington. Easily a player that a lot of teams and fans love to hate or just plain despise. Decent player but horrible sportsmanship and not likeable off the ice.

And yes, nothing wrong with the Kadri play. As replays show and you stated, he was redirected into Binnington by a Blues player.