3-2. Flames with 2 goals in 36 seconds.

3-2. Flames with 2 goals in 36 seconds.
- DarthKane

And Mike Smith does Mike Smith things

Wow….that was quite the goal Smith gave up to let the Flames tie the game at 3.

And Mike Smith does Mike Smith things
- LAHawk

RNH makes it 4-3 Oilers

Did anyone discuss this article?

https://thehockeywriters....22-offseason-blockbuster/

Cat for the second overall plus change.

Slafkovsky the real deal? 9 points so far at the World so far.
- Popsghostly

I can easily see the 'cat in New Jersey and the Blackhawks taking Logan Cooley....

I can easily see the 'cat in New Jersey and the Blackhawks taking Logan Cooley....
- wiz1901

Interesting trade proposal, NJ should add more than the #2 overall to obtain Debrincat. I have to wonder if KD thinks he will get a Hagel like return (2 decent young players and 2 1st round choices) if he decides to move 12. Yes the Hagel situation is different in that he's cost controlled at 1.5M for 2 more seasons. Whereas Cat would be looking for at least 8M after next season.

I can easily see the 'cat in New Jersey and the Blackhawks taking Logan Cooley....
- wiz1901

Wouldn't be bad.

And FWIW 5'10 175 is "bigger" then 6'4 and 195 in terms of getting knocked on your ass IMO.

Interesting trade proposal, NJ will of course should add more than the #2 overall to obtain Debrincat. I have to wonder if KD thinks he will get a Hagel like return (2 decent young players and 2 1st round choices) if he decides to move 12. Yes the Hagel situation is different in that he's cost controlled at 1.5M for 2 more seasons. Whereas Cat would be looking for at least 8M after next season.
- boilermaker100

#2
First (no conditions)
Prospect OR second
Mid round pick

And some late round pick goes the other way with Cat.

Giroux got a first, the panthers best prospect and a mid round pick. Debrincat is a 40 goal scorer in his prime. Him and Hughes would be a scary combo.

#2
First (no conditions)
Prospect OR second
Mid round pick

And some late round pick goes the other way with Cat.

Giroux got a first, the panthers best prospect and a mid round pick. Debrincat is a 40 goal scorer in his prime. Him and Hughes would be a scary combo.
- fattybeef

I don't see New Jersey trading that #2 overall pick for anyone they feel isnt a gen talent. Isn't that what most teams expect picking in the top 2, sometimes the top 3 depending on draft class?

If you were a New Jersey fan, would you want DeBrincat back and pay that price? I don't think I would.

Big fan of DeBrincat just don't know if he is a guy who can carry line and you can build around, or is a unicorn type add on piece....like a Kurri.

#2
First (no conditions)
Prospect OR second
Mid round pick

And some late round pick goes the other way with Cat.

Giroux got a first, the panthers best prospect and a mid round pick. Debrincat is a 40 goal scorer in his prime. Him and Hughes would be a scary combo.
- fattybeef

Teams like NJ or Buffalo, years removed from playoff competition, have to IMO, make a splash acquisition sooner or later for a top player to get them to the next step. I think they will continue to be on the outside looking in unless they add to their teams.

Edit - Both teams could use a goalie too, but the hawks can't help them there.

Teams like NJ or Buffalo, years removed from playoff competition, have to IMO, make a splash acquisition sooner or later for a top player to get them to the next step. I think they will continue to be on the outside looking in unless they add to their teams.

Edit - Both teams could use a goalie too, but the hawks can't help them there.
- boilermaker100

Senators pick is in play.....#7

I don't see New Jersey trading that #2 overall pick for anyone they feel isnt a gen talent. Isn't that what most teams expect picking in the top 2, sometimes the top 3 depending on draft class?

If you were a New Jersey fan, would you want DeBrincat back and pay that price? I don't think I would.

Big fan of DeBrincat just don't know if he is a guy who can carry line and you can build around, or is a unicorn type add on piece....like a Kurri.
- SteveRain

It's the bird in the hand for two in the bush situation. I think Debrincat being the proven commodity should be worth more than 2nd pick (corrected). What if Cooley or Slafkovsky turn in Kaapo Kakko who has been a bit underwhelming for NYR

I don't see New Jersey trading that #2 overall pick for anyone they feel isnt a gen talent. Isn't that what most teams expect picking in the top 2, sometimes the top 3 depending on draft class?

If you were a New Jersey fan, would you want DeBrincat back and pay that price? I don't think I would.

Big fan of DeBrincat just don't know if he is a guy who can carry line and you can build around, or is a unicorn type add on piece....like a Kurri.
- SteveRain

Debrincat can help them now and doesn't need to carry a line just bang in 40 goals. NJ has two excellent centers who can get him the puck. A prospect can help them in 3 years maybe.

I would think they would want to make a push into the playoffs this next season, get their younger players some experience points and then see what happens.

Dougie is 28 and Seversen is 27 soooo you'd have to think they'd want to start pushing for the playoffs before those guys are getting in their 30s.

They have a lot of good young talent on their team and are probably at the point where filling in with the right veterans and hiring the right coach is what is going drastically improve their team rather than waiting for another draft pick to arrive down the line.

It's the bird in the hand for two in the bush situation. I think Debrincat being the proven commodity should be worth more than a 2nd round pick. What if Cooley or Slafkovsky turn in Kaapo Kakko who has been a bit underwhelming for NYR.
- boilermaker100

I don't disagree just seems a high price to pay....The Edmonton example also rings true...how many top picks did they have all those years...some panned out, some were busts, and McDavid was the absolute homerun.

Debrincat can help them now and doesn't need to carry a line just bang in 40 goals. NJ has two excellent centers who can get him the puck. A prospect can help them in 3 years maybe.

I would think they would want to make a push into the playoffs this next season, get their younger players some experience points and then see what happens.

Dougie is 28 and Seversen is 27 soooo you'd have to think they'd want to start pushing for the playoffs before those guys are getting in their 30s.

They have a lot of good young talent on their team and are probably at the point where filling in with the right veterans and hiring the right coach is what is going drastically improve their team rather than waiting for another draft pick to arrive down the line.
- fattybeef

Valid counterpoint and I don't know New Jersey's cap situation either....as DeBrincat will likely get close to maybe 8.5-10 aav on his next deal?

Slafkovsky is the kid I would want....again unproven but cost controlled vs proven and high price tag.......Going to b e a fun summer as I am positive Hawks will be rumored a lot as they were at the deadline shopping players....too much smoke to not think Davidson wasn't doing his due dilligence which he should always do. Now....what he wants back, that will be fascinating to watch unfold and IF he can get his ask from a trading partner.

So willing to give up a top 6 player who hasn't even hit his prime yet for the 2nd pick in a weak draft. (frank) no. Unless an offer comes like it did for Hagel fine otherwise pass.

To me Cat has more value than Seth Jones, so two 1sts, solid forward prospect and a 2nd round pick is where this discussion begins

To me Cat has more value than Seth Jones, so two 1sts, solid forward prospect and a 2nd round pick is where this discussion begins
- BetweenTheDots

if only we could trade him to Bowman. the issue is he is going to need to get paid as well. the reason we got a great deal on hagel is he was cost controlled for 2 years. Cat is only cost controlled for one and then has arb rights and RFA. which isnt bad but the other team is going to know he is going to get $8 mil in ARB. and probably wants 8.5 X 8

Valid counterpoint and I don't know New Jersey's cap situation either....as DeBrincat will likely get close to maybe 8.5-10 aav on his next deal?

Slafkovsky is the kid I would want....again unproven but cost controlled vs proven and high price tag.......Going to b e a fun summer as I am positive Hawks will be rumored a lot as they were at the deadline shopping players....too much smoke to not think Davidson wasn't doing his due dilligence which he should always do. Now....what he wants back, that will be fascinating to watch unfold and IF he can get his ask from a trading partner.
- SteveRain

NJ should be able to pay him.

For the big guy depends on how his skating is. Reichel has looked very good in international tournaments as well and that hasn't translated into NHL play yet.

Maybe Montreal does something crazy and Wright doesn't go first.

A lot of variables. I think taking the 2 this year, if they can, is a very good option - along with sitting on some salary should get them some solid assets and futures. (Mrazek would be the perfect vet to get beat up next year and if Strome is gonzo then taking Monohans contract from Calgary would also be smart)

To me Cat has more value than Seth Jones, so two 1sts, solid forward prospect and a 2nd round pick is where this discussion begins
- BetweenTheDots

This is where I'm at with a DeBrincat trade to any team. If it's the Devils, then that forward prospect could be Mercer who just finished his rookie year so not a prospect anymore.

Devils receive:
DeBrincat
An asset like Kalynuk, Beaudin, or mid-round draft pick

Blackhawks receive:
2022 1st
2023 1st
2022 2nd (2023 is fine, too)
Mercer or Holtz

That 2nd rounder could also be replaced by another prospect like Foote or Stillman who may be more middle 6 talents than top 6.

I can easily see the 'cat in New Jersey and the Blackhawks taking Logan Cooley....
- wiz1901

Wiz who would the best comparison player for Cooley in your opinion?

To me Cat has more value than Seth Jones, so two 1sts, solid forward prospect and a 2nd round pick is where this discussion begins
- BetweenTheDots

Davidson just has to find a GM like Stan to deal with.

I don't see New Jersey trading that #2 overall pick for anyone they feel isnt a gen talent. Isn't that what most teams expect picking in the top 2, sometimes the top 3 depending on draft class?

If you were a New Jersey fan, would you want DeBrincat back and pay that price? I don't think I would.

Big fan of DeBrincat just don't know if he is a guy who can carry line and you can build around, or is a unicorn type add on piece....like a Kurri.
- SteveRain

Depends on how the jersey gm views dcat. The team needs more speed and elite scoring winger and dcat is developing into a leader also. Plus if dcat is say being shopped the a lot of other teams would be interested also.

What is the deal with Beaudin?

Former 1st round pick to projecting being a healthy scratch for the AHL after 3 years in the system.

Just ouch.

Exhale…
- mike7076

Beaudin is getting leapfrogged by many D prospects like Galvas, Phillips, Regula, and Vlasic so that's one factor for his decline in the system.

Another factor is that he's just not impactful or consistent at either end of the ice. Kalynuk is getting into that category, too, but I like his upside more than Beaudin's.

Both have enhanced mean streaks but they need to keep those in check as they can get into penalty trouble.

Trying to play physical and refine their defensive games may be a reason why they haven't shone in the AHL with their offensive gifts. Trying to do too much so they become mediocre at everything rather than really good at one end or the other.

Valid counterpoint and I don't know New Jersey's cap situation either....as DeBrincat will likely get close to maybe 8.5-10 aav on his next deal?

Slafkovsky is the kid I would want....again unproven but cost controlled vs proven and high price tag.......Going to b e a fun summer as I am positive Hawks will be rumored a lot as they were at the deadline shopping players....too much smoke to not think Davidson wasn't doing his due dilligence which he should always do. Now....what he wants back, that will be fascinating to watch unfold and IF he can get his ask from a trading partner.
- SteveRain

from all reports the reason kubalik and dehann were nit dealt was because the price Davidson set wasn't matched so those weren't dealt. So if stands firm on asking prices for hawk players maybe with little wiggle room here and there I think he will get what he is asking for.