So it turns out regular season results don't translate all that well in the playoffs.

Shocking.

Well a little shocking that the Panthers got destroyed so badly.... and didn't score a powerplay goal in the postseason.

They really misused Chiarot's crosschecking skills imo.
- Scabeh

I sometimes wonder if loading up at the trade deadline backfires in the sense that the guys who got your there, all of a sudden are getting less ice-time to accommodate a Giroux or a Chiarot or whatever other "shiny new thing" your GM acquires.

Florida needs to trade the core, just cant win with them
trade Barkov for a top 4 D

I don't know, he did it in Washington, another team that you could say wasn't the best "fit" for his style.

Trotz is a great hire for a coach, wherever he ends up.
- Scabeh

They still have a number of heavier players - when he was hired they had Ovi, Wilson, Orpik, Carlson, Gleason, Beagle, Brouwer, Chimera, Alzner and Green who are all north of 210lbs, and guys like Laich who's still over 200 and plays a grinding style.

The year they won the cup, the same model was employed there - some names had changed, but they still had Orlov, Smith-Pelley, Stephenson, Oshie and had parted with Brouwer, Chimera, Gleason, Alzner, Green . . . but the model was much the same his whole time there.

The Leafs who would fall into that category? Matthews, Rielly, Spezza, Tavares, Muzzin, Holl, Engvall and Clifford. Even with a coach emphasizing heavy play, you'd get it out of Muzzin, Holl and Clifford and two of those guys are marginal NHL'ers depending on how you use them.

I'm not sure what you call dominating but a save % of .968 & giving up 1 goal on 31 shots sure fits the bill for me - which is what Vasi had in game 7.
- Cush29

Oh, do the save percentage when he dominated overtime.

Florida needs to trade the core, just cant win with them
trade Barkov for a top 4 D
- senstroll

I think they trade for Chychrun

Knight +

I think they trade for Chychrun

Knight +
- mr.sir

I thought we were trading for him?

I thought we were trading for him?
- .HOHO.

I cant believe Arizona wouldnt consider Holl, Mrazek+ more enticing

Oh, do the save percentage when he dominated overtime.
- bobbyisno1

That's some tough math......oddly enough the shots in OT were 9 for Toronto and 5 for Tampa (I thought it was more one sided).

Soupy's .886 Sv% vs Vasi's .909S Sv% in game 6 didn't help the Leafs but we all know the 2 penalties in the 3rd were the dagger.

https://www.covers.com/sp...ockey/nhl/boxscore/265223

Waaaay back when the ginger not to be named was the Leaf starting goalie how much attention would that stat have gotten from everyone?

Tell that to Ovi and Kuznetsov and their Stanley Cup.

I would love to see him hired here.
- fifty__missions

Again, part of his success there was because they already had components he could leverage. Now I mentioned Mike Green, but as we know - he never played a hard or heavy game. But he was big enough to take a hit and make a play successfully. Same with Carlson.

For the Leafs, that's Rielly. He has the size to withstand physical pressure.

I want to digress for a moment and just say that I am a huge fan of Trotz as a coach - I think it was the only thing Lou did right in New York. I have serious misgivings about his next moves there since a lot of the other personnel decisions have been highly questionable.

But if you have the Leafs, the following guys would all be shipped out or not resigned if you hired Trotz: Nylander, Mikeheyev, Engvall, Spezza, Kase, Kerfoot, Sandin, Liljegren, possibly Brodie, Bunting - and you replace them with stay-at-home or lunch bucket style players.

You get your dynamics on the back-end from Rielly on the power play, and you collapse and play the tight check / interfere / obstruct and capitalize on a turnover game for the rest of your 5v5 time.

In terms of the overall impact to this team? I don't think Trotz is the right coach for this team at this time, no. They are not the same as the Capitals.

What will get us through one round of the playoffs??

It's a low bar, I know....😢
- fifty__missions

More BeLeaf

So if Tampa goes on to win the cup again or even make the finals does that make Toronto still a team of chokers who can't get it done OR does it make them a team that has faced 2 of the top 4 playoffs teams in the last 2 years in round one and faced incredible goaltending when it counted?

Just wondering, to me it's a bit of A and a lot of B. The up 3 game to 1 collapse was horrific, but the more I see Tampa win ( ) the more and more I think this Leafs team really is right there.

The Panthers choke job in 4 games was pretty telling to me, despite their 10 million dollar goalie actually showing up.

Again, part of his success there was because they already had components he could leverage. Now I mentioned Mike Green, but as we know - he never played a hard or heavy game. But he was big enough to take a hit and make a play successfully. Same with Carlson.

For the Leafs, that's Rielly. He has the size to withstand physical pressure.

I want to digress for a moment and just say that I am a huge fan of Trotz as a coach - I think it was the only thing Lou did right in New York. I have serious misgivings about his next moves there since a lot of the other personnel decisions have been highly questionable.

But if you have the Leafs, the following guys would all be shipped out or not resigned if you hired Trotz: Nylander, Mikeheyev, Engvall, Spezza, Kase, Kerfoot, Sandin, Liljegren, possibly Brodie, Bunting - and you replace them with stay-at-home or lunch bucket style players.

You get your dynamics on the back-end from Rielly on the power play, and you collapse and play the tight check / interfere / obstruct and capitalize on a turnover game for the rest of your 5v5 time.

In terms of the overall impact to this team? I don't think Trotz is the right coach for this team at this time, no. They are not the same as the Capitals.
- Monkeypunk

I agree with you and Reilly isn't Mike Green in one important aspect - Green had a bomb from the point and Reilly (god love him) has a muffin of a shot more often than not and pounds it into shin pads.

I just don't think coaching is a problem in Toronto, or wasn't this year. Does anyone actually think the Leafs got out coached?

I think they trade for Chychrun

Knight +
- mr.sir

id assume ARI would want a 1st or 2
Florida doesnt have one in the next 3 drafts?

so a 2025 should work lol

Again, part of his success there was because they already had components he could leverage. Now I mentioned Mike Green, but as we know - he never played a hard or heavy game. But he was big enough to take a hit and make a play successfully. Same with Carlson.

For the Leafs, that's Rielly. He has the size to withstand physical pressure.

I want to digress for a moment and just say that I am a huge fan of Trotz as a coach - I think it was the only thing Lou did right in New York. I have serious misgivings about his next moves there since a lot of the other personnel decisions have been highly questionable.

But if you have the Leafs, the following guys would all be shipped out or not resigned if you hired Trotz: Nylander, Mikeheyev, Engvall, Spezza, Kase, Kerfoot, Sandin, Liljegren, possibly Brodie, Bunting - and you replace them with stay-at-home or lunch bucket style players.

You get your dynamics on the back-end from Rielly on the power play, and you collapse and play the tight check / interfere / obstruct and capitalize on a turnover game for the rest of your 5v5 time.

In terms of the overall impact to this team? I don't think Trotz is the right coach for this team at this time, no. They are not the same as the Capitals.
- Monkeypunk

Nylander for Petry, Poehling and a 2nd gaining steam according to the guy working in the parking lot next to the Bell centre.

Be advised, this guy is almost never wrong. Except when he is.

Nylander for Petry, Poehling and a 2nd gaining steam according to the guy working in the parking lot next to the Bell centre.

Be advised, this guy is almost never wrong. Except when he is.
- Scabeh

Pfft. Guys here are right even when they are wrong; especially when they are wrong.

So now that you have been proven wrong and that you have been doing what everyone knows you were (simply trolling) I'll assume we won't hear from you now which is fine. My suggestion about taking your trolling elsewhere stands or you can practice your counting skills with the # of days you are banned.
- Cush29

Some of you guys are really mean on here, understand the bitterness! The blogger actually agrees with my points, feel free to empty threat bans.

I agree with you and Reilly isn't Mike Green in one important aspect - Green had a bomb from the point and Reilly (god love him) has a muffin of a shot more often than not and pounds it into shin pads.

I just don't think coaching is a problem in Toronto, or wasn't this year. Does anyone actually think the Leafs got out coached?
- Cush29

Trotz is this year’s Pietroangelo and unicorn season is open for coaches.

So if Tampa goes on to win the cup again or even make the finals does that make Toronto still a team of chokers who can't get it done OR does it make them a team that has faced 2 of the top 4 playoffs teams in the last 2 years in round one and faced incredible goaltending when it counted?

Just wondering, to me it's a bit of A and a lot of B. The up 3 game to 1 collapse was horrific, but the more I see Tampa win ( ) the more and more I think this Leafs team really is right there.

The Panthers choke job in 4 games was pretty telling to me, despite their 10 million dollar goalie actually showing up.
- Cush29

Still choke artists. Can’t win with this core.

Nylander for Petry, Poehling and a 2nd gaining steam according to the guy working in the parking lot next to the Bell centre.

Be advised, this guy is almost never wrong. Except when he is.
- Scabeh

Some of you guys are really mean on here, understand the bitterness! The blogger actually agrees with my points, feel free to empty threat bans.
- Bartacus

Which is it buttercup, mean or bitter? Taunting the ref also not a great idea

Nylander for Petry, Poehling and a 2nd gaining steam according to the guy working in the parking lot next to the Bell centre.

Be advised, this guy is almost never wrong. Except when he is.
- Scabeh

Poehling? Isn't he the next Auston Matthews?

You want to give up that much talent for Willy Nylander?

Nylander for Petry, Poehling and a 2nd gaining steam according to the guy working in the parking lot next to the Bell centre.

Be advised, this guy is almost never wrong. Except when he is.
- Scabeh

Enjoy your ban

Poehling? Isn't he the next Auston Matthews?

You want to give up that much talent for Willy Nylander?
- PatC80

That's how much we want to help you.

Some of you guys are really mean on here, understand the bitterness! The blogger actually agrees with my points, feel free to empty threat bans.
- Bartacus

And bu bye

More BeLeaf

- Zezel

Have you ever heard the phrase "toxic positivity"?

Yes, it's actually a thing, too.