Toews for Scheifele is laughable. Come on man
- hello it's me 2050

Any trade with the 'Peg needs to include Kristian Reichel. Oh wait, Stan is not here anymore. But then again, they are only cousins, not brothers.

Monohan's decline is no surprise at all:

Starting from the end of the 16-17 season...
Two wrist surgeries - same wrist
Two herniated discs
Groin surgery (still pains me to type that)
Cracked thumb
Right hip surgery
Left hip surgery
- Chunk

Distressed asset for an aging Captain Clutch. The trade benefits CHI much more than it does Calgary next year. Helps signal the rebuild. Brings in a guy that could rebound or could just fade at a lower cap hit. There is almost no possible scenarios that makes this trade fit within a cap world. Calgary needs to shed $6M, not take on an additional $4.2M. Even retaining 50% doesn't help.

Distressed asset for an aging Captain Clutch. The trade benefits CHI much more than it does Calgary next year. Helps signal the rebuild. Brings in a guy that could rebound or could just fade at a lower cap hit. There is almost no possible scenarios that makes this trade fit within a cap world. Calgary needs to shed $6M, not take on an additional $4.2M. Even retaining 50% doesn't help.
- Traveldude

I don't think it really helps either team really. I was just explaining why the younger player - Monahan - has fallen off so much as it was not previously explained.

I used to really like Monahan. He's just been SO beat up.

Good topic, Theo. Due to the no trade clauses of Kane and Toews we as fans have little idea how this rebuild will play out.

The Toews to BOS idea is a Marek thing. I listen to most of his podcasts and heard him bring this up 4-5 times the first being a couple months ago. But I like how he framed it which he didn't do the episode you heard.

Said what if Toews came to BOS and didn't have the responsibilities/baggage of being captain or mentoring young players? Just came to a talented BOS club and played hockey without any other responsibilities. Just play hockey ... In that context one could sell the idea that Toews could play to his ceiling.

But I can't ever see Toews as a 1C again but who knows. Losing Krejci this yr and Bergeron next is a huge hit. That would leave Haula as their top center and he's not really even a 2C.

Boston may have no choice but to get help at center. UFA's that might fit as a top 6 center are Giroux, Kadri, Trocek, Malkin and Ryan Strome. ........... Toews at 5 mil plus the cost to get him (a 2nd rd pick or Beecher or Lysell?) or Trocek at 6-7 mil, Kadri at 8-9 mil, Strome at 6 mil?

I get the feeling to move Toews, and as always he has to agree, it will be in season but of course it's harder to make the math work then. He'll have to have a fine start to the season, 25 points in 30-35 games, and a Boston type club's attempt to baind aid the center position isn't working so they are near desperate.

But I do think Johnny would waive his NMC to go to the right situation and BOS is a fine organIzation for sure.

There are a few teams in just brutal cap situations next year (VGK, MTL, TOR, TB to name some). I'm wondering if KD just trades the rights to Strome and Kubalik to provide even more cap flexibility to take on some expiring contracts with sweeteners (ideally current prospects IMO).

Dadonov
Patches
Killorn
Drouin
Kerfoot/Nylander?
- Chunk

Why? KD doesn't have to trade anything for these guys. Personally I'd be a pain in the @ss to trade with, it would cost them a 1st round pick and they would get someone like Reese or Entwistle

The only way i trade Kane or Toews is if they want out.

Why? KD doesn't have to trade anything for these guys. Personally I'd be a pain in the @ss to trade with, it would cost them a 1st round pick and they would get someone like Reese or Entwistle
- BetweenTheDots

I'm just saying give them as much cap space as possible to take on the poop contracts to get some really good prospects/picks.

If the hawks get a taker on either of the ten million dollar babies final year of contracts, at the draft OR the deadline,the Hawks will be paying HALF of that final year , so the 2022 Draft should be the place they start talking.

I have reviewed all of the Hawk 2022 draft slots and me thinks that unless the get some more earlier picks, the second rounder (#38) can get them a forward, but after that the later picks look to be more likely to see the best player available being defenseman, unless they get a goalie.
Of course, that is my board, not theirs, but me thinks the forwards in slot #59, #80, #86, #92 may long term developmental guys.
I, of course, have them taking forwards (two centres, a RW, and a LW) and as much as I liked a goalie in there, they maybe simply too weak up front for the luxury.

They may reach a point when defenseman are much higher grades and that is a concern.
We know they can ill afford to trade picks to climb up.

I should be an interesting draft days more interesting than free agent signing day fro them....

The only way i trade Kane or Toews is if they want out.
- BetweenTheDots

...and think that is what we are all assuming.

even if the eat half of their Cap space, there is going to be a contender signing M-A Fleury who is going to need a first trade of MAF to Arizona, Detroit, Chicago (if they make space) so and Edmonton/Colorado can sign him....

I think he played really well for the Wild.

The only way i trade Kane or Toews is if they want out.
- BetweenTheDots

That's the only way you could trade them...

Still rearranging the deck chairs on the good ship Blackhawk.

While we take the side streets and scenic route, it is important to know that if you want to pull back and see where the Hawks are on the map....

....Red Wings circa 2017....read their archives then for where we are now...

The question is, does JT really want to play anymore. I do not say it critically. Morally and ethically I believe he wants to honor his contract, just not sure his heart is all in anymore and even if it is, if he has anything left physically.

...and think that is what we are all assuming.

even if the eat half of their Cap space, there is going to be a contender signing M-A Fleury who is going to need a first trade of MAF to Arizona, Detroit, Chicago (if they make space) so and Edmonton/Colorado can sign him....

I think he played really well for the Wild.
- wiz1901

I thought so too, Blues just had to many horses, and that blue line was too thin for the Wild

I have reviewed all of the Hawk 2022 draft slots

- wiz1901

I see you have the very talented Russian with some form of cancer, Ivan Miroshnichenko, going to NYR at #26. IIRC before his diagnosis he was considered a top 5 candidate, but he's fallen because of it......... He was supposed to come to USHL Muskegon in the covid yr but had visa problems but I hunted all the film I could on the kid and he's the real deal. Looked to be a no doubt top 10 guy to me, probably top 5. Exceptional shot, the kid can score.

If he fell into the 20's do you think the Hawks would move up to draft him? Also, any other possible fallers you feel the Hawks may trade draft picks to move into the 1st rd to draft?

Still rearranging the deck chairs on the good ship Blackhawk.

While we take the side streets and scenic route, it is important to know that if you want to pull back and see where the Hawks are on the map....

....Red Wings circa 2017....read their archives then for where we are now...

The question is, does JT really want to play anymore. I do not say it critically. Morally and ethically I believe he wants to honor his contract, just not sure his heart is all in anymore and even if it is, if he has anything left physically.
- TrueGrit

Legit question and I think that's why a guy like Marek speculates if he were removed from the Hawks and dropped into an organIzation like Boston would he find a renewed love for the game? ....... Not be a captain or have to mentor prospects on a bad hockey team in transition just simply play hockey for a solid organIzation that isn't just a playoff contender but a cup contender?

The only way i trade Kane or Toews is if they want out.
- BetweenTheDots

Well, that's the only way you CAN trade them, Chief.

Still rearranging the deck chairs on the good ship Blackhawk.

While we take the side streets and scenic route, it is important to know that if you want to pull back and see where the Hawks are on the map....

....Red Wings circa 2017....read their archives then for where we are now...

The question is, does JT really want to play anymore. I do not say it critically. Morally and ethically I believe he wants to honor his contract, just not sure his heart is all in anymore and even if it is, if he has anything left physically.
- TrueGrit

Hello, Grit. I suspect your last paragraph is very close to the mark.

Still rearranging the deck chairs on the good ship Blackhawk.

While we take the side streets and scenic route, it is important to know that if you want to pull back and see where the Hawks are on the map....

....Red Wings circa 2017....read their archives then for where we are now...

The question is, does JT really want to play anymore. I do not say it critically. Morally and ethically I believe he wants to honor his contract, just not sure his heart is all in anymore and even if it is, if he has anything left physically.
- TrueGrit

There are 6.9M reasons why he would at least play another year, that I believe is his actual salary. If healthy, I would think that due to his competitive nature he could end up playing two more years after his contact is up in 2023. The key word is healthy.

There are 6.9M reasons why he would at least play another year, that I believe is his actual salary. If healthy, I would think that due to his competitive nature he could end up playing two more years after his contact is up in 2023. The key word is healthy.
- Angotti

$4M signing bonus around July 1, then the remaining $2.9M paid throughout next season.

$4M signing bonus around July 1, then the remaining $2.9M paid throughout next season.
- boilermaker100

Then the tax man gets almost half. Then the agent gets some. Pretty soon your only talking $1.4M. Tip money for Johnny.

Going back to playoff hockey. While the Avalanche have the most skill in the league and they should be the favorites, the Blues have a lot of depth up front. Not only do the Blues have nine guys that scored over twenty goals, most if not all are very responsible defensively. On top of that they have Parayko on he backend, and Binnington has upped his game as well in goal, they will be a tough out. IMHO, the Avs/Blues series is the conference finals.

Then the tax man gets almost half. Then the agent gets some. Pretty soon your only talking $1.4M. Tip money for Johnny.
- mohel

You forgot escrow on the salary

Add the Dallas Stars to the list of teams looking for a new head coach.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...s-dallas-stars-coach.html

Add the Dallas Stars to the list of teams looking for a new head coach.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...s-dallas-stars-coach.html
- Rota's Rooter

JC will certainly get one of these openings, eh?

I see you have the very talented Russian with some form of cancer, Ivan Miroshnichenko, going to NYR at #26. IIRC before his diagnosis he was considered a top 5 candidate, but he's fallen because of it......... He was supposed to come to USHL Muskegon in the covid yr but had visa problems but I hunted all the film I could on the kid and he's the real deal. Looked to be a no doubt top 10 guy to me, probably top 5. Exceptional shot, the kid can score.

If he fell into the 20's do you think the Hawks would move up to draft him? Also, any other possible fallers you feel the Hawks may trade draft picks to move into the 1st rd to draft?
- Mr Ricochet

I think some team might get awfully lucky when they select him....I just am not sure if the Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma is going to be a larger factor-your mom want YOU to go over seas after knowing this?
He is a second tier Russian. (Think Vancouver selection Vasili Podkolzin selected at ten overall). Canucks waited for him to make the transition.

I have Ivan Miroshnichenko going #26 in my mock on Lines.com, My girlfriend, Pronman has him at #25 to Tampa.

The consensus after the diagnosis of all mocks on Elite Prospects has him at #15 and that is the end of that second tier, kinda makes sense if there was equal love for Russian ands non-Russians at this juncture....


Did you know there is a NHL point value system similar to the one the nfl uses?

Slot# 16. 413 points
Slot # 25. 302
Slot #26. 297....
and now we are pre-supposing that Vancouver (or Buffalo), Ottawa, Rangers WANT to trade out.

Here is the value of each of the Blackhawks choices:

#38. 211 points
#59. 175 points
#80. 155 points

Is there a taker who wants out of the first round to acquire more picks to use them to use multiples picks to jump around the draft board as it gets into a much weaker second and third round?

Or do teams with multiples just CHOSE him?

Or do the Blackhawks just wait and see if he drops to #38 and take a shot at him being the phoenix they need to start tei

So you all can do the trade...that #38 and ? for a Russian coming over healthier than he is now and coming later...when they hawks are a little further in the rebuild, or maybe stays home with his family.

I am going in the pool.

But I can do this all day!

Ivan Miroshnichenko


He is a second tier Russian.




- wiz1901

Where did you have Ivan Miroshnichenko before his diagnosis? Top 10, top 5? This kid goes in the 20's he might be a top line player in 3-4 yrs. But of course there is risk.

........ Helpful post, Wiz. No, i wasn't aware of the NHL point system.