No, nobody is considering trading Tavares and buying him out is an even more absurd idea.
- Canada Cup

I'm considering trading Taveras, but alas I have zero power.

I'm considering trading Taveras, but alas I have zero power.
- bobbyisno1

Yeah, should have clarified that no one in management is thinking of trading him. I could see moving him to the wing, though.

Alright man all good. I get it - you love you some soupy. He’s a super good man so I understand. But the final thing I’ll say on this…

- Tim Thomas? Catching lightning in a bottle is not a solid thought process or gamble.

- 11 years means he’s never showed any team around the league (to trade for him) or the team he’s on and all their scouts and goalie coaches that he is capable of being a stand-alone starter. He is at the very best a 1b. That is an incredibly viable argument. Say8mg that let’s wait until he’s 36/37 and been a back up for 17 years before expect8mg him to take the crease as a starter is viable? Yikes.

- mid season lull?. Jesus man it was from 2 weeks until the end of season and a few playoff games! During the regular season unravelling (not ‘lull) he was letting in 4-6 goals each game for god sakes and a lot of the time in under 30 shots. Now I agree he’s not that bad at all. But he’s not October November Campbell either. He is somewhere in between which is a 1a 1b tandem goalie.

- you don’t think there was a drop off in his play and numbers from just before all star to end of year vs first couple month? That’s crazy man. I like you, but you’re crazy.

Leafs will absolutely never win a Cup with him if they try to utilize him as a stand-alone starter. No chance. He’s a splits guy… and I’m not sure Mrazek will cut it as his splitter
- Big23Questions

I never said I loved him...but I'd challenge anyone to come up with a better option that: a) doesn't involve giving up more assets to bring someone else in; b) doesn't involve signing someone that's just as "unproven"....

Leafs clearly can't go out and trade for/sign a top tier guy...they don't have the cap space, and even if they did, shouldn't be their top priority.

I also never claimed that soup is a "stand-alone starter". He's absolutely a tandem guy.

Lastly on his performance...again I point you to his numbers that I've posted above...his workload doubled this year while his numbers remained consistent to when he was a backup playing half the games (0.915). Please, find me another guy with those numbers that's available this July... I'll wait.

I never said I loved him...but I'd challenge anyone to come up with a better option that: a) doesn't involve giving up more assets to bring someone else in; b) doesn't involve signing someone that's just as "unproven"....

Leafs clearly can't go out and trade for/sign a top tier guy...they don't have the cap space, and even if they did, shouldn't be their top priority.

I also never claimed that soup is a "stand-alone starter". He's absolutely a tandem guy.

Lastly on his performance...again I point you to his numbers that I've posted above...his workload doubled this year while his numbers remained consistent to when he was a backup playing half the games (0.915). Please, find me another guy with those numbers that's available this July... I'll wait.
- BlackSwan

They did okay with Kallgren, if they can't get Campbell signed they may wait till the` trade `deadline. I hope not, either way I think they wait and see what's available as the season progresses.

They did okay with Kallgren, if they can't get Campbell signed they may wait till the` trade `deadline. I hope not, either way I think they wait and see what's available as the season progresses.
- bobbyisno1

There was a significant stretch where Kallgren was very very not good. If people think Campbell isn't good enough....

$10,393,333 would be the cap hit for each of the next 3 years if the Leafs were to buy out the John Tavares contract. Clearly that is not a workable option.

Moving Tavares' "no move" contract is complicated. First, he would need to agree to the move. Second, if he were to retire at any time over the next three years does the cap hit come back against the Leafs as a recapture penalty. After three years the cap would be under $350,000 for another three years and that should not pose a serious financial threat for the Leafs.

I understand there is almost universal acceptance that it is impossible to move the Tavares contract. But, is it entirely impossible to consider?

I think the Leafs can retain up to 50% of the actual salary and cap hit in any deal. Would John Tavares for under $6m over the next three years not be appealing to several rebuilding teams looking to provide leadership for their young talent?

For example, lots of media speculation in Ottawa that the Sens will be trying to sign 34 year old UFA Claude Giroux. I assume the deal would be in the $5 to $6m range. Lots of other teams will be interested in Giroux. Can only assume that any team interested in Giroux at $6m would stand in line to acquire a 31 year Tavares for the same or less money.
- spatso

Tavares is not going anywhere.

everyone can move on from the JT talk, he is a leaf until the contract is up

Maybe the Leafs weren't so bad after all.
- Leafsmart

Or florida isnt that great.
Leafs werent bad...except for two games (which is unacceptable), they just weren't good enough when it counted.

Or florida isnt that great.
Leafs werent bad...except for two games (which is unacceptable), they just weren't good enough when it counted.
- Fakepartofme

time to put some money on Florida, sports makes no sense, so expect the series to be ties after 4 games.

Or florida isnt that great.
Leafs werent bad...except for two games (which is unacceptable), they just weren't good enough when it counted.
- Fakepartofme

I thought they played a good game yesterday (Florida).

But that powerless powerplay is killing them... 3 min to go and Stamkos in the box... you have to score ffs.

Edit: They are now 0 in 22.

I thought they played a good game yesterday (Florida).

But that powerless powerplay is killing them... 3 min to go and Stamkos in the box... you have to score ffs.

Edit: They are now 0 in 22.
- Scabeh

Another example of the refs helping the Lightning.. Stamkos should have a second penalty for fully closing his hand on the puck

I thought they played a good game yesterday (Florida).

But that powerless powerplay is killing them... 3 min to go and Stamkos in the box... you have to score ffs.

Edit: They are now 0 in 22.
- Scabeh

Lack of scoring on the Powerplay killed the leafs as well.

Or florida isnt that great.
Leafs werent bad...except for two games (which is unacceptable), they just weren't good enough when it counted.
- Fakepartofme

Leafs would have beaten the Panthers if they could have beaten the referees... I mean, Lightning

Another example of the refs helping the Lightning.. Stamkos should have a second penalty for fully closing his hand on the puck
- PatC80

I didnt watch the game, but I saw some talk about TB getting the benefit of stuff.


in close games/series, that stuff tilts the score for sure

Leafs would have beaten the Panthers if they could have beaten the referees... I mean, Lightning
- PatC80

While I understand the sentiment, you can't assume that.

In 2011 (I still blame Monkey for reminding me this year exists) Habs lost to Boston in OT in 7 games only to see the Bruins win the Cup.

Even if we had defeated Boston, it doesn't imply we would have won anything afterwards.

Leafs would have beaten the Panthers if they could have beaten the referees... I mean, Lightning
- PatC80

I believe the leafs would have beaten the Panthers as well.
Had the leafs finally been able to close out an elimination game, I feel they could have gone to at least the 3rd round.

Or florida isnt that great.
Leafs werent bad...except for two games (which is unacceptable), they just weren't good enough when it counted.
- Fakepartofme

Whats Tampa have to do before we stop diminishing them so we can use them to cut down the leafs. Is it 3-peat or bust? If they raise another cup is it gonna be cause the entire league isn't that great? 🤔

Whats Tampa have to do before we stop diminishing them so we can use them to cut down the leafs. Is it 3-peat or bust? If they raise another cup is it gonna be cause the entire league isn't that great? 🤔
- joel878

Pfff they just keep getting lucky.

While I understand the sentiment, you can't assume that.

In 2011 (I still blame Monkey for reminding me this year exists) Habs lost to Boston in OT in 7 games only to see the Bruins win the Cup.

Even if we had defeated Boston, it doesn't imply we would have won anything afterwards.
- Scabeh

From my pov, the leafs would have been on a high and felt all powerful for finally closing out a series and an elimination game. I feel that they would used the high, that "boost" if you will to propelled them to the 3rd round.
The monkey would be off their back, they'd be loose.
Then in the 3rd round, they'd be like, "ah crap were so close to the finals"...and pooped the bed.

While I understand the sentiment, you can't assume that.

In 2011 (I still blame Monkey for reminding me this year exists) Habs lost to Boston in OT in 7 games only to see the Bruins win the Cup.

Even if we had defeated Boston, it doesn't imply we would have won anything afterwards.
- Scabeh

I mean, I think they would have... Florida struggled against Washington.. If not for the benefit of the refs, Tampa doesn't beat Toronto.. Not sure why the league wants a team to 3-peat

I mean, I think they would have... Florida struggled against Washington.. If not for the benefit of the refs, Tampa doesn't beat Toronto.. Not sure why the league wants a team to 3-peat
- PatC80

The refs are always bad and the league has nothing to do with it.

And I'm saying that fully understanding how frustrated the lack of consistency in calls can be.

I mean, I think they would have... Florida struggled against Washington.. If not for the benefit of the refs, Tampa doesn't beat Toronto.. Not sure why the league wants a team to 3-peat
- PatC80

Come on, not really true.
The refs had some questionable calls and non calls, but I cant see them trying to let tampa win.

I believe the leafs would have beaten the Panthers as well.
Had the leafs finally been able to close out an elimination game, I feel they could have gone to at least the 3rd round.
- Fakepartofme

If only the Leafs didn't have to face the referees Lightning in the first round

Come on, not really true.
The refs had some questionable calls and non calls, but I cant see them trying to let tampa win.
- Fakepartofme

I don't think he said that, he said Tampa benefited from the poopty reffing.
Or there abouts.

Come on, not really true.
The refs had some questionable calls and non calls, but I cant see them trying to let tampa win.
- Fakepartofme

Game 6 and Game 7, Tampa got all the calls.. Leafs had none go their way.

The phantom high stick call in Game 6.. Having the goal called back in Game 7. It's hard to ignore

I don't think he said that, he said Tampa benefited from the poopty reffing.
Or there abouts.
- bobbyisno1

Yes, the calls did favour Tampa... If it was called evenly, then Paul's second goal should not have counted.. Killorn had a hold on Muzzin's stick