If that is the case, might as well fold the franchise. Or even better move them to Podunk.
- PLindbergh31

I’m not sure what the weather is like in Podunk….but it can’t be worse then a Winnipeg winter.

He gave a lot of 1st and 2nd rounders. That roster wasn’t ready to compete. You just can’t build through draft then rush it when roster isn’t ready. Buffalo is prime example of what’s likely to happen. To bad philly wasn’t sold to new owner and different management brought in.

Like ex season ticket holder said they will never rebuild. Never “tank” and they’ll also never win another cup. 🤷‍♂️ Status quo
- Stayin alive

those 3 were still young players at the time. Just backfired. Where is Murray these days? he even in hockey?

Another poor take. I was not a fan of Hextall but the Hartnell trade was clearly one of his good moves. Hartnell gave Columbus 2 good seasons and was bought out after year 3. Umberger wasnt brought in to help the team. He was brought in to clear cap space. His cap hit was smaller and had 1 less year on it. Columbus still had Hartnell on the books until the end of 2020-21.

Umberger was off the books at the end of 2017-18
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Clearly to who? You and CLiff. Another example of Ronnie having no real plan and no idea what he wanted to do. He will be fired shortly from the pens as well. But that isn't his fault either right?

Wrong Saint Ronnie actually liked Umberger and still thought he could still play.

They dont have .775 less cap to use because like I said they can go over by 10% and I can guarantee the Flyers are looking to shed cap space as well. That 775k is not going to matter. No team has ever fallen apart because of a league minimum deal. No GM sits there and says damn I wish I had an extra 775k of space to make this move... You know why? Because clearing such a small amount of space isnt difficult.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Actually it is. It all adds up. We lost gagne because we couldn’t clear 500k

those 3 were still young players at the time. Just backfired. Where is Murray these days? he even in hockey?
- hello it's me 2050

Last I remember of Murray was him crying a hissyfit when Edmonton won mcdavid lottery. Lmao. Still the look on mcdavid face. He actually wanted to come to buffalo. I don’t know if Murray still in hockey. Nothing prominent that I know of. Probably scouting or something

Hartnell was a way more useful player than Umberger was for longer. Don't care if he needed to be bought out as they eventually bought out Umberger anyway, who was at the end of his career when he made that trade. Sure trading back and drafting Rubstov and Laberge was solid. Great value. Jay O'Brien was a fantastic pick. He was such good value with K'Andre Miller still on the board.

Hextall had a great plan and I was completely on board with it. But he made some terrible draft picks and if he had hit on more he'd probably still be here.
- TobyFlenderson

You're not understanding the Hartnell deal. Flyers were clear of the cap with Umberger in 17/18. Hartnell was stuck on Columbus cap until 20/21

Hextall added Provorov, Sanheim, Hart, Lindblom , Farabee, Frost and about a dozen NHL players in 5 drafts. With the potential for more still. He set this team up with a solid group of young players.

You're not understanding the Hartnell deal. Flyers were clear of the cap with Umberger in 17/18. Hartnell was stuck on Columbus cap until 20/21

Hextall added Provorov, Sanheim, Hart, Lindblom , Farabee, Frost and about a dozen NHL players in 5 drafts. With the potential for more still. He set this team up with a solid group of young players.
- MJL

pretty much every nhl team has a "solid" group of young players. The Saint def stands out from the pack. The results the last 7 years have nothing to do with his drafts or development.

Actually it is. It all adds up. We lost gagne because we couldn’t clear 500k
- Stayin alive

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We traded Gagne to clear space and despite being a fan favourite it was the right decision. He was at the end of his shelf life. He had one good season with Tampa and that was it for his career.

You're not understanding the Hartnell deal. Flyers were clear of the cap with Umberger in 17/18. Hartnell was stuck on Columbus cap until 20/21

Hextall added Provorov, Sanheim, Hart, Lindblom , Farabee, Frost and about a dozen NHL players in 5 drafts. With the potential for more still. He set this team up with a solid group of young players.
- MJL

Oh I understand why he did it, I just thought at the time Hartnell was still a productive player. Umberger was ticketed for a buyout the second he was traded here.

He made some good moves to get those players. Sanheim and Farabee were especially good picks. I think the best move he made was turning Timonen and Coburn into Gudas and Konecny. I just think some of his later drafts there was talent on the board to be had and he would go in the complete other direction. Jay O'Brien instead of K'Andre Miller is one especially glaring example.

Oh I understand why he did it, I just thought at the time Hartnell was still a productive player. Umberger was ticketed for a buyout the second he was traded here.

He made some good moves to get those players. Sanheim and Farabee were especially good picks. I think the best move he made was turning Timonen and Coburn into Gudas and Konecny. I just think some of his later drafts there was talent on the board to be had and he would go in the complete other direction. Jay O'Brien instead of K'Andre Miller is one especially glaring example.
- TobyFlenderson

Columbus was also going to buy out RJ until Ronnie came along.

Oh I understand why he did it, I just thought at the time Hartnell was still a productive player. Umberger was ticketed for a buyout the second he was traded here.

He made some good moves to get those players. Sanheim and Farabee were especially good picks. I think the best move he made was turning Timonen and Coburn into Gudas and Konecny. I just think some of his later drafts there was talent on the board to be had and he would go in the complete other direction. Jay O'Brien instead of K'Andre Miller is one especially glaring example.
- TobyFlenderson

If you understand the move then you wouldn't have labeled it a bad move. It was a really good move with the position the team was in.

If you understand the move then you wouldn't have labeled it a bad move. It was a really good move with the position the team was in.
- MJL

A really good move. The positon the team was in. Good lord. If only Ronnie was able to see his plan through right Cliff?

what positon was the team in? Can you elaborate?

Clearly to who? You and CLiff. Another example of Ronnie having no real plan and no idea what he wanted to do. He will be fired shortly from the pens as well. But that isn't his fault either right?

Wrong Saint Ronnie actually liked Umberger and still thought he could still play.
- hello it's me 2050

Hextall had a plan and he followed through on it. It didnt get us the results we wanted but he had one. He wanted to build through the draft, clear cap space and get younger while remaining competitive.

The Flyers did those things. Hextall build through the draft however our picks havent hit their ceiling. Hextall failed to build around Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds. He did clear up cap space very well

His plan did not work but it was a plan neverless. Fletcher is trying to be the medium between the old guard and Hextall. He is not as stubborn as Hextall was. Im pretty sure had he just fired Hakstol, Hextall would have had a longer shelf life. He recognizes you need to build thriugh the draft to obtain talent however he isnt afraid to make moves to try to improve the team.

Some worked, some havent and some havent been decided yet.

Trotz must have some interest or he wouldn't take an interview. I do agree that if he takes an interview with a 3rd team, the chances he takes the Flyers offer goes way down, IMO.

Hextall had a plan and he followed through on it. It didnt get us the results we wanted but he had one. He wanted to build through the draft, clear cap space and get younger while remaining competitive.

The Flyers did those things. Hextall build through the draft however our picks havent hit their ceiling. Hextall failed to build around Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds. He did clear up cap space very well

His plan did not work but it was a plan neverless. Fletcher is trying to be the medium between the old guard and Hextall. He recognizes you need to build thriugh the draft to obtain talent however he isnt afraid to make moves to try to improve the team. He also is not as stubborn as Hextall was. Im pretty sure had he just fired Hakstol, Hextall would have had a longer shelf life.

Some worked, some havent and some havent been decided yet.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He had no plan. That is clear as day. He didn't rebuild nor did he try to build around CC jake simmonds schenn ivan and ghost. He tried to tow the line and failed. So stop with this plan BS.

Draft and develop isnt a plan. It is what pretty much every team does. This wasn't some new way to go.

Trotz must have some interest or he wouldn't take an interview. I do agree that if he takes an interview with a 3rd team, the chances he takes the Flyers offer goes way down, IMO.
- Trox88

His interest is in driving his price up lol

He had no plan. That is clear as day. He didn't rebuild nor did he try to build around CC jake simmonds schenn ivan and ghost. He tried to tow the line and failed. So stop with this plan BS.

Draft and develop isnt a plan. It is what pretty much every team does. This wasn't some new way to go.
- hello it's me 2050

It was definitely new for the Flyers. The franchise had never truly adjusted to the new NHL after the cap. They were so used to spending and trading out of their problems. The cap was maxed and the prospect pool was pretty bad.

Trotz must have some interest or he wouldn't take an interview. I do agree that if he takes an interview with a 3rd team, the chances he takes the Flyers offer goes way down, IMO.
- Trox88

Have you ever interviewed for a job you didn't want just to hear them out? Besides he gets a free meal out of it....

Dreger said that one team who had fired their coach has had players call around and ask other players how some coaches were with them. He wouldnt reveal the team but that list is pretty small.

WPG never fired their coach
DET did not fire their coach
NYI already hired someone

That Leaves VGK, PHI and maybe MTL

If you understand the move then you wouldn't have labeled it a bad move. It was a really good move with the position the team was in.
- MJL

So the 15-16 team couldn't have used Hartnell in the playoffs? He scored 23 goals that year. What impact players did the Flyers sign with the cap flexibility of the Umberger buyout? Hell if they bought out Hartnell the same way CBJ did maybe they wouldn't thrown so much money at Kevin Hayes.

He had no plan. Or at best his plan was totally flawed. If You disagree. No problem.

He failed. Chuck has failed to date.
- hello it's me 2050

Hey that's great. We are talking about two different things.

Hey that's great. We are talking about two different things.
- MBFlyerfan

have a blessed day

Have you ever interviewed for a job you didn't want just to hear them out? Besides he gets a free meal out of it....
- hello it's me 2050

If I had no interest in taking a job, I wouldnt waste my time or their time with an interview.

Trotz is not going to waste his time. He is the most coveted coach on the market. He knows what he wants and if he is interviewing with PHI he believes they can offer something he wants. He isnt going to travel and meet with Fletcher just to hear him out. He's going because they are a realistic destination.

As far as what Dreger reports, no offer was made from WPG, it was just a formal conversation and he believes money might be a breaking point.

Time will tell if he interviews with Vegas.

If I had no interest in taking a job, I wouldnt waste my time or their time with an interview.

Trotz is not going to waste his time. He is the most coveted coach on the market. He knows what he wants and if he is interviewing with PHI he believes they can offer something he wants. He isnt going to travel and meet with Fletcher just to hear him out. He's going because they are a realistic destination.

As far as what Dreger reports, no offer was made from WPG, it was just a formal conversation and he believes money might be a breaking point.

Time will tell if he interviews with Vegas.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

you are a naïve individual.

Yep no such thing as common courtesy.

So the 15-16 team couldn't have used Hartnell in the playoffs? He scored 23 goals that year. What impact players did the Flyers sign with the cap flexibility of the Umberger buyout? Hell if they bought out Hartnell the same way CBJ did maybe they wouldn't thrown so much money at Kevin Hayes.
- TobyFlenderson

No they couldnt because if you look at the NHL Cap for that year, Umberger was buried in the minors and the team was still at the cap limit. They didnt have the space for Hartnell

https://www.capfriendly.c...s/cap-tracker/flyers/2016