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Forums :: Blog World :: Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Trotz, TIFH (Stanley Cup 1 anniversary)
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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 19 @ 12:30 PM ET
If they lose to Tampa I guarantee they fire him
- ClaudeFather

nah why look at Trotz since Brunette was nominated for the Jack Adams. Wasn't Bill Barber also nominated?
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

May 19 @ 12:33 PM ET
Nick Seeler back for 2 more years. Hooray!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 19 @ 12:34 PM ET
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

May 19 @ 12:37 PM ET
Nick Seeler back for 2 more years. Hooray!
- mickel25


A serviceable #7 or first call up defenseman. Need those too
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

May 19 @ 12:40 PM ET
A serviceable #7 or first call up defenseman. Need those too
- mikeyo27


Agree 100%. However, you do not need to lock him up in May. Literally a few hundred players that can do what he does.

Maybe Trotz secretly loves Nick Seeler as a player.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 19 @ 12:43 PM ET
A serviceable #7 or first call up defenseman. Need those too
- mikeyo27

I get the rush to sign him now as I bet chuck got wind of teams ready to pounce. 2 years is also par for the course.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

May 19 @ 12:44 PM ET
Agree 100%. However, you do not need to lock him up in May. Literally a few hundred players that can do what he does.

Maybe Trotz secretly loves Nick Seeler as a player.

- mickel25


Barry: yeah Chuck I’ll consider coming to Philly as long as you promise me Nick Seeler will be around for at least 2 years. I like that kid.

Chuck: we’ll everyone knows how cautious I am with signing players to lengthy overpriced contracts, as I’ve never really been known to do that either here or in Minny, but lemme see what I can do.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

May 19 @ 12:46 PM ET
Barry: yeah Chuck I’ll consider coming to Philly as long as you promise me Nick Seeler will be around for at least 2 years. I like that kid.

Chuck: we’ll everyone knows how cautious I am with signing players to lengthy overpriced contracts, as I’ve never really been known to do that either here it in Minny, but lemme see what I can do.

- mikeyo27


That is how it went verbatim. Expect the Trotz announcement by end of business today.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

May 19 @ 12:49 PM ET
If the Coyotes offered there 2023 first unprotected would you trade the Flyers 2022 and 2023 first rounders for it?
RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

May 19 @ 12:58 PM ET
if the rumors were true that hextall told the new ownership that his vision for the pens future was something that could not be articulated into the written word, that is perilous but also hilarious.

i know you guys said he liked to buck authority, but jesus.

- stayinthefnnet


Well, he could have said a synergistic PC team with nutritionist guided meals 24/7, a consultant (spy) in the locker room and drafting mostly underachievers while trading viable players for meager cap savings for burnt toast and Umbergers, acquiring draft picks and a cocaine dealer for a potential #1 center already on your roster...

Unicorns and paranoia mixed up into one mess.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 19 @ 1:05 PM ET
Agree 100%. However, you do not need to lock him up in May. Literally a few hundred players that can do what he does.

Maybe Trotz secretly loves Nick Seeler as a player.

- mickel25


What else are the Flyers doing in May aside from searching for a HC?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 19 @ 1:07 PM ET
If the Coyotes offered there 2023 first unprotected would you trade the Flyers 2022 and 2023 first rounders for it?
- mickel25


Theres nothing to debate, this wont happen. Armstrong would need to be completely incompetent to move that pick
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 19 @ 1:09 PM ET
What else are the Flyers doing in May aside from searching for a HC?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

no need to sign him now. None. Wait to see what is available in a 6 weeks or so. How you defend this organization is comical. 2 years is even funnier.

Hopefully the Zac ext will be next but 3 years. I mean what else do they have to do in May.
Shrike
Joined: 05.20.2016

May 19 @ 1:12 PM ET
Played college hockey at Minnesota
Drafted by Chuck Fletcher.
He really needs to be fired
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 19 @ 1:14 PM ET
If the Coyotes offered there 2023 first unprotected would you trade the Flyers 2022 and 2023 first rounders for it?
- mickel25

Nope!
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 19 @ 1:15 PM ET
no need to sign him now. None. Wait to see what is available in a 6 weeks or so. How you defend this organization is comical. 2 years is even funnier.

Hopefully the Zac ext will be next but 3 years. I mean what else do they have to do in May.

- hello it's me 2050


What am I defending? They re-signed a 7th D. Who cares? What 7th D are you hoping to sign in the offseason? Either way its going to be some player who cant crack an NHL roster.

Who says they still cant add someone else later. It is not like Seeler cant be waived.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 19 @ 1:16 PM ET
A serviceable #7 or first call up defenseman. Need those too
- mikeyo27

Agreed!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 19 @ 1:18 PM ET
What am I defending? They re-signed a 7th D. Who cares? What 7th D are you hoping to sign in the offseason? Either way its going to be some player who cant crack an NHL roster.l Who says they still cant add someone else later. It is not like Seeler cant be waived.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

no need to make that signing now. simple as that.

Well that some player who you said cant crack an nhl roster played what 40+ games this season.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

May 19 @ 1:19 PM ET
My point is you seem to be presuming that Fletcher is going to make rash trades and free agency signings. Based on last off season maybe you are right, but I also feel that the moves Fletcher has made since joining the Flyers have been much more calculated than rash. In 2019 I hated the Hayes signing, not because I dislike the player but more because I hated the term and cost. However we needed a 2nd line center given the health and lack of development of Nolan Patrick. Trading for Niskanen was a great move. The Braun and Pitlick trades where also smart moves. In 2020 I liked that Fletcher did very little, just getting depth veterans like Grant and Thompson who both added value down the stretch. In 2021 I liked the Ellis trade and the Atkinson trade, both again were needed moves to be made. Obviously signing Yandle was a horrible move, and trading for Risto was not the best thing either. Dumping Ghost for nothing was clear act of desperation and I believe it would have been better for Fletcher to wait until something better opened up for Ghost. Signing Martin Jones turned out to be a good move also.

So when you look at all the transaction over the past 3 seasons, nothing comes across as rash to me except the Ghost trade. Everything else, whether it worked out or not, to me had good reason behind the move.

- jd250

Calculated? Sure, if you want to use a calculator to add up the amount of cap he's added and the amount of draft picks he's traded away, go ahead. Martin Jones was a good move? The guy had a 3.42 GAA and .900 sv % for a bottom 4 team. If signing a backup goalie is considered a good move for a GM, that GM's probably mad some real stinkers.
Shrike
Joined: 05.20.2016

May 19 @ 1:19 PM ET
What am I defending? They re-signed a 7th D. Who cares? What 7th D are you hoping to sign in the offseason? Either way its going to be some player who cant crack an NHL roster
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They wasted one of our 50 contract slots on someone who could be replaced by blindly pointing at a list of names.

This move speak to the hopelessness of next season within the Flyers upper management
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 19 @ 1:21 PM ET
no need to make that signing now. simple as that.

Well that some player who you said cant crack an nhl roster played what 40+ games this season.

- hello it's me 2050


Due to injury. It covers their bases. They can look for another 7th D in the offseason. Seeler isnt a lock. If they cant land anyone they want, they have Seeler. If they do get someone else, Seeler can be waived and sent down. It is a non issue. His signing is not a guaranteed spot.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

May 19 @ 1:21 PM ET
I want them to become a team that can win, 2-1, when it needs to amd can also pick apart an opponent that gets frustrated/sloppy. I want them to become a team where there is a culture of accountability. I want them to become a team where players collectively are put in position to succeed. I want the guy who is widely considered the dean of goalie coaches to come along with a stellar head coach.

You may have a burning desire to see the Flyers become the Buffalo Sabres or Edmonton (where there are two bonafide superstars but are still unlikely to come out of their conference). I care about the team game, and the team game needs a LOT of work.

Trotz is the ideal coach to improve that, and he has shown he can coach everything from modest rosters to Cup contenders as effectively as possible. Damn right I want him as coach if he wants to come here.

- bmeltzer


Yes please become the Buffalo Sabres. They are now set up with more than philly has had in over 30 years. Please stop lumping buffalo into a negative. Yes the rebuild with eichel didn’t work. Thing is they tried a path and adjusted very quickly.
Dahlin
Power
Cozens
Tuch
Levy
Upl
Quinn
Thompson
Peterka
The list goes on and on.

They have tons of higher end prospects
We have tons of lower end prospects.

Would love to become them
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 19 @ 1:24 PM ET
Due to injury. It covers their bases. They can look for another 7th D in the offseason. Seeler isnt a lock. If they cant land anyone they want, they have Seeler. If they do get someone else, Seeler can be waived and sent down. It is a non issue. His signing is not a guaranteed spot.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

So let me ask you this, if your #7 dman has to play as much as Nick Seeler did would you want someone who is better than Nick Seeler?

Why the rush to sign him now? What valid reason is there?

Also now that it appears the 1st year is a 1 way contract. Does that not effect the amount have cap space they now have available?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 19 @ 1:25 PM ET
Yes please become the Buffalo Sabres. They are now set up with more than philly has had in over 30 years. Please stop lumping buffalo into a negative. Yes the rebuild with eichel didn’t work. Thing is they tried a path and adjusted very quickly.
Dahlin
Power
Cozens
Tuch
Levy
Upl
Quinn
Thompson
Peterka
The list goes on and on.

They have tons of higher end prospects
We have tons of lower end prospects.

Would love to become them

- Stayin alive


It worked in terms of getting the picks needed. They just had incompetent management. That part failed.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

May 19 @ 1:25 PM ET
If the Coyotes offered there 2023 first unprotected would you trade the Flyers 2022 and 2023 first rounders for it?
- mickel25


No.
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