That's my point. The Flyers don't have that talent.

Also, if Montreal made it to the SCF because of their system, why did they fire their coach halfway through this year? They made the SCF because they had one of the most talented goalies over the past 15 years play out of his mind, plus budding stars in Suzuki and Caufield.
- TobyFlenderson

The Flyers don't have the talent, but they can acquire the talent either by drafting high, making a good hockey trade, or signing a good free agent. It should not stop the Flyers from hiring the best coach they can and get them playing the right way. Then you add the talent in and you build a legitimate contender.

so if Trotz walks without a contract is that chucks fault?
- hello it's me 2050

Of course it is. Chuck had a “blank check” to make it happen. Words are on the record.

so if Trotz walks without a contract is that chucks fault?
- hello it's me 2050

I don't know .. it may be. All I am saying is the Flyers need to do everything they can to get Trotz. The Flyers got extremely lucky that a coach like Trotz has become available, they need to sell the franchise hard on him and get him to want to come here. Like I said earlier, there is a lot of potential and upside in this job right now. The Flyers have good players, they have a franchise level goalie, and a good young core of players coming up, plus a top 5 pick in the draft. Trotz could come in and turn the last 2 seasons around very quickly which is attractive to a lot of veteran coaches.

its so ridiculous its actually funny.

at that point just draw a big middle finger on your notepad and hand it off to them.
- stayinthefnnet

It so ridiculous it doesn't seem real but who knows.
Pretty sure a couple of teams that interviewed he said he was well prepared for the interview.

Question for you, saw someone on Twitter (don't remember who) saying they thought Burke would be gone soon. Have you heard that?

So, Hextall was the only Flyers GM that never made rash decisions when it comes to trades and free agency?
- jd250

How does what I said equate to 'Hextall is the only GM that never made rash decisions'. I hated some of the moves he made. Umberger for Hartnell only to buy Umberger out a couple years later. Trading for Filppula. The JVR signing. I especially didn't like Hextall's drafts, not even counting the Nolan Patrick pick.

I think we would get a definitive answer on whether Carter Hart is a franchise goalie if Mitch Korn arrives.
- Trox88

Not that I think they're ready to win, but I think getting Trotz here would let them know who is part of the solution and who is not.

Management still needs to improve the roster.

Let me get this straight. Trotz, who literally coached the Predators from the ground floor up for 15 years, is the wrong fit here because you're afraid the Flyers might improve too much to pick again in the top 5 next year' (as if even Bedard would single handedly turn things around thereafter).
- bmeltzer

The point that is being missed is that Trotz would improve up past being a top 5 pick, but not enough to be a true contender. Coaching can only get you so far. At some point skill, skating and ability have to take over, of which, the Flyers have very little. Of course, if you look at salaries it implies we are loaded.

If you watched Carolina in the 3rd period last night, can you honestly say a coach can turn the Flyers into that? It was a pleasure to watch the synchronized skating and passing (and receiving of a pass) of a 5-man unit. I much prefer this to the Flyers version of lugging the puck up ice and dumping it in only to have the opponent get to it first. But at least we are gritty......

I want them to become a team that can win, 2-1, when it needs to amd can also pick apart an opponent that gets frustrated/sloppy. I want them to become a team where there is a culture of accountability. I want them to become a team where players collectively are put in position to succeed. I want the guy who is widely considered the dean of goalie coaches to come along with a stellar head coach.

You may have a burning desire to see the Flyers become the Buffalo Sabres or Edmonton (where there are two bonafide superstars but are still unlikely to come out of their conference). I care about the team game, and the team game needs a LOT of work.

Trotz is the ideal coach to improve that, and he has shown he can coach everything from modest rosters to Cup contenders as effectively as possible. Damn right I want him as coach if he wants to come here.
- bmeltzer

Fair enough. We can agree to disagree.

This team needs a full rebuild, and to maximize its chances at top end talent. The status quo, which you seem to be very willing to continue is one I strongly am against. Retool after retool. Obsession with the defensive side of the game.

I wouldn’t mock those Sabres or Oilers too easily, the Flyers are worse than either team. The Oilers have arguably two of the best players in the world, that’s at least something to attract fans. Philadelphia isn’t getting excited about Kevin Hayes no matter how hard they try to market him. Continue to refuse to fully rebuild, and we will continue the status quo.

People just don’t buy it anymore. The Flyers continue to try to win without anywhere close to the level of talent needed to do so. Focusing on trying to squeeze water from a rock.

Trotz fits their beliefs perfectly. That’s the problem. We’ve done it with this approach for how many years now? It’s not going to work, unless the goal is to somehow celebrate making the playoffs.

I don't know .. it may be. All I am saying is the Flyers need to do everything they can to get Trotz. The Flyers got extremely lucky that a coach like Trotz has become available, they need to sell the franchise hard on him and get him to want to come here. Like I said earlier, there is a lot of potential and upside in this job right now. The Flyers have good players, they have a franchise level goalie, and a good young core of players coming up, plus a top 5 pick in the draft. Trotz could come in and turn the last 2 seasons around very quickly which is attractive to a lot of veteran coaches.
- jd250

what does this team have to offer that other teams do not? Do you not think there are better opportunities for him elsewhere?

What is your definition of a franchise level goalie?

The Flyers don't have the talent, but they can acquire the talent either by drafting high, making a good hockey trade, or signing a good free agent. It should not stop the Flyers from hiring the best coach they can and get them playing the right way. Then you add the talent in and you build a legitimate contender.
- jd250

Where are the assets that allow them to make a 'good hockey trade'? Basically their whole roster was either hurt or had down years last year. And where is the cap space that allows them to sign a good free agent? In fact, who is even a good free agent in this year's class that would realistically sign with the Flyers?

The point that is being missed is that Trotz would improve up past being a top 5 pick, but not enough to be a true contender. Coaching can only get you so far. At some point skill, skating and ability have to take over, of which, the Flyers have very little. Of course, if you look at salaries it implies we are loaded.

If you watched Carolina in the 3rd period last night, can you honestly say a coach can turn the Flyers into that? It was a pleasure to watch the synchronized skating and passing (and receiving of a pass) of a 5-man unit. I much prefer this to the Flyers version of lugging the puck up ice and dumping it in only to have the opponent get to it first. But at least we are gritty......
- mr4tno

I believe the hurricane have only one top 5 pick they drafted on their roster so why can’t the Flyers become that if they hire Trotz.

what does this team have to offer that other teams do not? Do you not think there are better opportunities for him elsewhere?

What is your definition of a franchise level goalie?
- hello it's me 2050

Best travel in the NHL. Add a boat load of money, a promise of front office position later, plus having already have knowledge of the division opponents and I would say that may be appealing to someone going into their 60’s.

If Saint Ronnie is fired potential Senior Advisor rile waiting for him with the flyers....

I believe the hurricane have only one top 5 pick they drafted on their roster so why can’t the Flyers become that if they hire Trotz.
- psuhockey

People say the Flyers are always trying to win last years cup. If there was a team for them to emulate, to me, it be the Canes.

If Saint Ronnie is fired potential Senior Advisor rile waiting for him with the flyers....
- hello it's me 2050

Besides a chef, you're a comedian.

Best travel in the NHL. Add a boat load of money, a promise of front office position later, plus having already have knowledge of the division opponents and I would say that may be appealing to someone going into their 60’s.
- psuhockey

I was talking roster wise.

so the devils as an example cant offer the best travel? They cant offer a front office role? While also having a better roster.

Teams can offer that plus you have a better chance at actually winning with pretty much every team who may need or needs a new coach. Not buying the travel part as this huge incentive.

Guess if he wants his retirement contract Flyers will be appealing ( as if they surely have a blank check they can offer him as much as anyone). Signs a 6 year deal and the only question is whether he gets fired after year 3 or 4.

still too many members of the coach killing core still around. Need to purge them first.
- hello it's me 2050

Who are the members of that core?

Who are the members of that core?
- mickel25

figure it out as not very hard.

I believe the hurricane have only one top 5 pick they drafted on their roster so why can’t the Flyers become that if they hire Trotz.
- psuhockey

Carolina had Lindholm and Hanifin, both top 10 picks, who turned into Dougie Hamilton. They also have consistently drafted well outside of the first round with Aho, Pesce, and Slavin all playing huge roles. And they make savvy trades and signings like getting DeAngelo this year, trading for Terravainen because Chicago needed to shed Bickell's salary, getting Niederrieter for Rask. They can do that because their front office is full of smart people and are analytically driven. Plus, they developed Brind'Amour into one of the best coaches in the league

One top 5 pick and getting Barry Trotz isn't going to turn the Flyers into Carolina.

Jarvis and Necas were both lottery picks as well.

It so ridiculous it doesn't seem real but who knows.
Pretty sure a couple of teams that interviewed he said he was well prepared for the interview.

Question for you, saw someone on Twitter (don't remember who) saying they thought Burke would be gone soon. Have you heard that?
- rayc16

i have. I was under the impression the new ownership group probably would want their own people, but again, im not an insider and just regurgitating what I read. it would make sense though.

that was my read on the hextall thing too. it sounds so ridiculous it cant be real. but then again, he is a meticulous guy. maybe he knows he is leaving and this is a final (frank) you. maybe he wants to be out and wanted to make them do it due to contractual language etc. who knows. but if true, its hysterical.

figure it out as not very hard.
- hello it's me 2050

So you do not have a specific list? That's weird. You seem to have all of the answers at the ready most days. CC and JV are gone. The head of the snake has been cut off right?

So you do not have a specific list? That's weird. You seem to have all of the answers at the ready most days. CC and JV are gone. The head of the snake has been cut off right?
- mickel25

Look and you will find it. takes 30 seconds. not hard to see who has been here for years.

i have. I was under the impression the new ownership group probably would want their own people, but again, im not an insider and just regurgitating what I read. it would make sense though.

that was my read on the hextall thing too. it sounds so ridiculous it cant be real. but then again, he is a meticulous guy. maybe he knows he is leaving and this is a final (frank) you. maybe he wants to be out and wanted to make them do it due to contractual language etc. who knows. but if true, its hysterical.
- stayinthefnnet

Saint Ronnie hasn't done anything to help the Pens move forward in his 2 years. What has he done to help the holy trinity get past the 1st rd?

i have. I was under the impression the new ownership group probably would want their own people, but again, im not an insider and just regurgitating what I read. it would make sense though.

that was my read on the hextall thing too. it sounds so ridiculous it cant be real. but then again, he is a meticulous guy. maybe he knows he is leaving and this is a final (frank) you. maybe he wants to be out and wanted to make them do it due to contractual language etc. who knows. but if true, its hysterical.
- stayinthefnnet

That popped into my mind too, but then he'd really be a fool, because between this and the poop thrown on him here, he'd never get another GM job.

Look and you will find it. takes 30 seconds. not hard to see who has been here for years.
- hello it's me 2050

So you are unwilling to backup your claim.