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- THE BLACK HAND

Forget that he said he wants to play here in passing in an interview. This isn’t a Bobby Ryan situation. I’ve heard that how the Flames do this post season has no bearing on whether he will leave Calgary and/or come here. In fact, it’s known that he wants to be the guy to turn this franchise around - this is not conjecture. Plus the Flyers are in no position to not throw the checkbook at him - they need the top end talent and they are lucky an MVP candidate actually wants to be here.

Laugh or discount me now then come talk to me when he signs. This has actually been in the making. Might help Trotz make a decision. Johnny would be an incredible mentor to Frost, teach him how to take advantage of his size and speed. Between those 2 and Coots and Hayes, you have a perfectly balanced, NES Ice Hockey tall, skinny guy/small fast guy team.

He has been quite vocal since joining Snow The Goalie.

It’s refreshing I have to admit. I can’t agree with a return to Flyers culture. It’s what’s kept them in a mess they are in. Why can’t we respect the past, and move on?

Nobody is saying to spit on their legacies as players but it’s time to move on in the big picture. Comcast very much so had that right, and it would have been okay if the results backed it up.

They didn’t, and that old Flyer guard that got apparently shunned by Hextall was wrongly trusted by Scott yet again. Or so it seems anyway.

We can have a physical team while respecting the past. Building a contender that maintains that status is something that they aren’t going to find the answers for internally. That’s clear as day.

They desperately needed a Zito. Shanahan. Yzerman. Need a MacFarland.
- FlyerFan3260

See different views….I agree 100 % on Bundy’s take. He didn’t get into “the Hextall shunning”. He talked about what the Flyers identity was. He made references to how fighting is down and that’s fine, but the lack of physical push back and lack of compete are a prime reason why this team continues to flounder. It’s refreshing to here ex players speak out ….they understand what’s acceptable and what’s not. It’s actually nice to hear ex players still give a poop about this team and find it as unacceptable as the majority of the fan base.

This might be classified as a hot take, but I kind of think Hart will be the sacrificial lamb here. His career will pay the price for continued front office ineptitude.


I’m not sure why the next HC hire should just be about getting the best out of a goalie. You are fully correct that Trotz or Tortorella hockey benefits goaltenders.
- FlyerFan3260

Appreciate the discussion, but I am at the opposite end of the spectrum. If we all agree right now the team is lacking in elite talent. Is that because there is none on the roster or a few not developed? That is why I brought up Hart. What about Sanheim? If he played on the PP, would he have production to be a #1 Dman. He is 1 yr away from UFA. I agree on prolonged organization ineptness, but I'm not willing to sacrifice possible elite talent to dig the hole a little deeper. Of course, the risk is the 2 I mentioned may in fact never be elite.

Appreciate the discussion, but I am at the opposite end of the spectrum. If we all agree right now the team is lacking in elite talent. Is that because there is none on the roster or a few not developed? That is why I brought up Hart. What about Sanheim? If he played on the PP, would he have production to be a #1 Dman. He is 1 yr away from UFA. I agree on prolonged organization ineptness, but I'm not willing to sacrifice possible elite talent to dig the hole a little deeper. Of course, the risk is the 2 I mentioned may in fact never be elite.
- Trox88

He looked like crap on the PP at the end of the year. It takes a special talent to be a successful point man. We were lucky to have a great run of them the past decade but it’s fallen flat.

He’s annoyed at the corporate culture that has overtaken the Flyers. I can find myself sympathizing with him for that.

He’s entitled to his opinion, but the way he talks about rebuilding I disagree with strongly. He wants to rebuild into the Flyer teams he played for in a league that has changed.

He has a romanticized view of Philadelphia that isn’t fully accurate. Talent wins. Effort, and old school Flyer grit come second. That’s the lesson this team needs to acknowledge.
- FlyerFan3260

Watching Calgary/ Edmonton….has the game changed as much as you suggest? I agree the game has changed somewhat but it’s still hockey, still a physical sport. The reason he’s romanticizing about teams of Philadelphia teams past is because that is when the Flyers were actually relevant. They simply aren’t relevant any longer and that sucks.
I can honestly say I long for the Flyers of long ago much more then the current Flyers of the last decade.

Forget that he said he wants to play here in passing in an interview. This isn’t a Bobby Ryan situation. I’ve heard that how the Flames do this post season has no bearing on whether he will leave Calgary and/or come here. In fact, it’s known that he wants to be the guy to turn this franchise around - this is not conjecture. Plus the Flyers are in no position to not throw the checkbook at him - they need the top end talent and they are lucky an MVP candidate actually wants to be here.

Laugh or discount me now then come talk to me when he signs. This has actually been in the making. Might help Trotz make a decision. Johnny would be an incredible mentor to Frost, teach him how to take advantage of his size and speed. Between those 2 and Coots and Hayes, you have a perfectly balanced, NES Ice Hockey tall, skinny guy/small fast guy team.
- black_francis

A skilled forward added to this current squad would be a huge welcome.

See different views….I agree 100 % on Buddy’s take. He didn’t get into “the Hextall shunning”. He talked about what the Flyers identity was. He made references to how fighting is down and that’s fine, but the lack of physical push back and lack of compete are a prime reason why this team continues to flounder. It’s refreshing to here ex players speak out ….they understand what’s acceptable and what’s not. It’s actually nice to hear ex players still give a poop about this team and find it as unacceptable as the majority of the fan base.

- landros 2

Thank you for sharing.

I very much agree that it’s nice to hear former players give a damn. Even if I disagree with Chris on some things, I appreciate he has the gall to call out the way the team is being run.

It’s beyond necessary, and it is a fight for the soul of the Flyers. Things spiral fast, and they are spiralling here. I appreciate what Chris does, even if I disagree on some things.

So let me ask you this, if your #7 dman has to play as much as Nick Seeler did would you want someone who is better than Nick Seeler?

Why the rush to sign him now? What valid reason is there?

Also now that it appears the 1st year is a 1 way contract. Does that not effect the amount have cap space they now have available?
- hello it's me 2050

Yes. I do. He is the 8 th or 9 th d.

Forget that he said he wants to play here in passing in an interview. This isn’t a Bobby Ryan situation. I’ve heard that how the Flames do this post season has no bearing on whether he will leave Calgary and/or come here. In fact, it’s known that he wants to be the guy to turn this franchise around - this is not conjecture. Plus the Flyers are in no position to not throw the checkbook at him - they need the top end talent and they are lucky an MVP candidate actually wants to be here.

Laugh or discount me now then come talk to me when he signs. This has actually been in the making. Might help Trotz make a decision. Johnny would be an incredible mentor to Frost, teach him how to take advantage of his size and speed. Between those 2 and Coots and Hayes, you have a perfectly balanced, NES Ice Hockey tall, skinny guy/small fast guy team.
- black_francis

I don't think it will surprise many if JG signs with the Flyers. I'll be more surprised if Frost is with the team next year.

He looked like crap on the PP at the end of the year. It takes a special talent to be a successful point man. We were lucky to have a great run of them the past decade but it’s fallen flat.
- ClaudeFather

The PP unit was garbage for the entire season. Sanheim gets a limited shot at the end of the season on a dreadful unit is not enough of a sample size for me.

Watching Calgary/ Edmonton….has the game changed as much as you suggest? I agree the game has changed somewhat but it’s still hockey, still a physical sport. The reason he’s romanticizing about teams of Philadelphia teams past is because that is when the Flyers were actually relevant. They simply aren’t relevant any longer and that sucks.
I can honestly say I long for the Flyers of long ago much more then the current Flyers of the last decade.
- landros 2

I don’t necessarily think the game has changed so much.

The way a successful contender is built, one that can keep itself in that tier for multiple seasons for example. That has changed.

Flyers need to realize this, because sadly they have shown that they don’t have the skill in their developmental ranks, or FO departments to try a more subtle approach that even I once supported.

Thank you for sharing.

I very much agree that it’s nice to hear former players give a damn. Even if I disagree with Chris on some things, I appreciate he has the gall to call out the way the team is being run.

It’s beyond necessary, and it is a fight for the soul of the Flyers. Things spiral fast, and they are spiralling here. I appreciate what Chris does, even if I disagree on some things.
- FlyerFan3260

I don’t necessarily think the game has changed so much.

The way a successful contender is built, one that can keep itself in that tier for multiple seasons for example. That has changed.

Flyers need to realize this, because sadly they have shown that they don’t have the skill in their developmental ranks, or FO departments to try a more subtle approach that even I once supported.
- FlyerFan3260

See I think they fully realize how to build it the right way….I think Hexy had the right idea. I just think he made some critical mistakes that are hard to overcome. I think Fletcher has made some decent moves but has also done some things and made some choices that have this team where they are today, which is a poorly constructed hockey team.

It makes sense now seeler was that missing piece and he’ll lure trots here

What is up with Florida's skating? I've seen what looks like 4 toepicks already. They better check their skates. I would blame the ice but Tampa doesn't seem to be affected.

He has been quite vocal since joining Snow The Goalie.

It’s refreshing I have to admit. I can’t agree with a return to Flyers culture. It’s what’s kept them in a mess they are in. Why can’t we respect the past, and move on?

Nobody is saying to spit on their legacies as players but it’s time to move on in the big picture. Comcast very much so had that right, and it would have been okay if the results backed it up.


- FlyerFan3260

I was just going to post this same sentiment. Stop with this culture thing. It really doesn't exist anymore. This belief of this Flyers culture is what is preventing them from changing. From evolving along with the rest of the modern NHL.

Don't just wipe and forget your history. Honor it ceremonially and let the alumni handle a lot of things. They have to move away from letting it drive them and the directions they take. The myth of this Flyers culture is catastrophic to the teams development.

Thank you for sharing.

I very much agree that it’s nice to hear former players give a damn. Even if I disagree with Chris on some things, I appreciate he has the gall to call out the way the team is being run.

It’s beyond necessary, and it is a fight for the soul of the Flyers. Things spiral fast, and they are spiralling here. I appreciate what Chris does, even if I disagree on some things.
- FlyerFan3260

He's in a lot of ways still stuck back in the 80's and 90's. He states that the league needs to get the physicality back into the game and that's why attendance is down. He's wrong. In the Flyers case, the attendance is down because they suck! The NHL is now a skating speed, skill game. That's what the fans want to see. The game will always have a physical element to it and you have to be strong on the puck and in the corners but that can't be your calling card. Fans want to see the Makar's McKinnon's, McDavid's etc. Skill with the puck.

I was just going to post this same sentiment. Stop with this culture thing. It really doesn't exist anymore. This belief of this Flyers culture is what is preventing them from changing. From evolving along with the rest of the modern NHL.

Don't just wipe and forget your history. Honor it ceremonially and let the alumni handle a lot of things. They have to move away from letting it drive them and the directions they take. The myth of this Flyers culture is catastrophic to the teams development.
- MJL

Bang on.

The PP unit was garbage for the entire season. Sanheim gets a limited shot at the end of the season on a dreadful unit is not enough of a sample size for me.
- Trox88

Agreed. The poster should know that.

It’s funny, I’m apt to say Giroux looks to be one of those with the most jump on Florida’s team.

They seem out of sync, even though Tampa is indeed a good team. Vas has had an easy time.

This might be classified as a hot take, but I kind of think Hart will be the sacrificial lamb here. His career will pay the price for continued front office ineptitude.

I’m not sure why the next HC hire should just be about getting the best out of a goalie. You are fully correct that Trotz or Tortorella hockey benefits goaltenders.
- FlyerFan3260

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Forget that he said he wants to play here in passing in an interview. This isn’t a Bobby Ryan situation. I’ve heard that how the Flames do this post season has no bearing on whether he will leave Calgary and/or come here. In fact, it’s known that he wants to be the guy to turn this franchise around - this is not conjecture. Plus the Flyers are in no position to not throw the checkbook at him - they need the top end talent and they are lucky an MVP candidate actually wants to be here.

Laugh or discount me now then come talk to me when he signs. This has actually been in the making. Might help Trotz make a decision. Johnny would be an incredible mentor to Frost, teach him how to take advantage of his size and speed. Between those 2 and Coots and Hayes, you have a perfectly balanced, NES Ice Hockey tall, skinny guy/small fast guy team.
- black_francis

Perfect. 30 year old Johnny Ellis coots. Almost or aprroacbing that range risto Hayes

This team never learns

He looked like crap on the PP at the end of the year. It takes a special talent to be a successful point man. We were lucky to have a great run of them the past decade but it’s fallen flat.
- ClaudeFather

We better have that in York. Passing on goal scoring cole and all

Forget that he said he wants to play here in passing in an interview. This isn’t a Bobby Ryan situation. I’ve heard that how the Flames do this post season has no bearing on whether he will leave Calgary and/or come here. In fact, it’s known that he wants to be the guy to turn this franchise around - this is not conjecture. Plus the Flyers are in no position to not throw the checkbook at him - they need the top end talent and they are lucky an MVP candidate actually wants to be here.

Laugh or discount me now then come talk to me when he signs. This has actually been in the making. Might help Trotz make a decision. Johnny would be an incredible mentor to Frost, teach him how to take advantage of his size and speed. Between those 2 and Coots and Hayes, you have a perfectly balanced, NES Ice Hockey tall, skinny guy/small fast guy team.
- black_francis

Im breaking your balls. In a different time, I would have loved a move like this. But I dont want another long term big money contract for a 30ish y/o player on the books at the moment.

Im breaking your balls. In a different time, I would have loved a move like this. But I dont want another long term big money contract for a 30ish y/o player on the books at the moment.
- THE BLACK HAND

Adding Gaudreau just doesn't make sense at the moment.