The draft and develop phase of the plan.
- hello it's me 2050

The phase that came up empty

Word from Cam Neely today is Cassidy may not be back as the Bruins coach. If so he is another good fit for the Flyers IMO.

No coach makes close to 10 mill. I doubt thats the offer. Maybe 5-6 mill. He only made something like 4 mill in New York and lack of talent on New York didnt deter him from signing there. They missed the playoffs and had the worst GA in the league. That was WITH Tavares on the team.

Flyers offer many things, money, a say in building the team, a challenge for a coach whos won a cup, a chance to play the Islanders 8x a year and good core of young players. I assure you our young players are not average. They just arent elite
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

It would take way more then that 5-6M he will be offered elsewhere to come here...every team is going to offer Trotz a say in building the roster...who needs a challenge at his stage its all about CUPS and we arent seeing any here in a long time. Our core of young players is very average as you say yourself there isnt an elite prospect in the system. Its a pipedream to think he will come here.

Calculated? Sure, if you want to use a calculator to add up the amount of cap he's added and the amount of draft picks he's traded away, go ahead. Martin Jones was a good move? The guy had a 3.42 GAA and .900 sv % for a bottom 4 team. If signing a backup goalie is considered a good move for a GM, that GM's probably mad some real stinkers.
- TobyFlenderson

oh come on the Flyers were one of the worst defensive teams in the NHL last season. Their goaltending was the only thing that kept them in games. Jones and Hart had very good seasons

Word from Cam Neely today is Cassidy may not be back as the Bruins coach. If so he is another good fit for the Flyers IMO.
- jd250

Source? So the President of the Bruins announced Cassidy MAY not be back?

The focus on defense I don’t agree with.

Do they bleed goals? Sure they do.

It’s just that people focus on that aspect of the game far too much in my opinion. The Flyers are putrid when it comes to the offensive side of the game especially in creative transition.

I’m expecting the counter to be that good defense leads to offense, but it goes the other way around too.

Or should I say possession. Trotz far too willingly engages his teams in 50/50 battles when it is not necessary.

It’s not surprising that a team with such an old school approach to the game is so dead set on defending.

If an old fart like me can see this, I’m not sure what to say really.

You left out Patrick
- Joe Nardone

OH .. there it is .. the albertross around Hextall's neck!

The focus on defense I don’t agree with.

Do they bleed goals? Sure they do.

It’s just that people focus on that aspect of the game far too much in my opinion. The Flyers are putrid when it comes to the offensive side of the game especially in creative transition.

I’m expecting the counter to be that good defense leads to offense, but it goes the other way around too.

Or should I say possession. Trotz far too willingly engages his teams in 50/50 battles when it is not necessary.

It’s not surprising that a team with such an old school approach to the game is so dead set on defending.

If an old fart like me can see this, I’m not sure what to say really.
- FlyerFan3260

The focus on defense I don’t agree with.

Do they bleed goals? Sure they do.

It’s just that people focus on that aspect of the game far too much in my opinion. The Flyers are putrid when it comes to the offensive side of the game especially in creative transition.

I’m expecting the counter to be that good defense leads to offense, but it goes the other way around too.

Or should I say possession. Trotz far too willingly engages his teams in 50/50 battles when it is not necessary.

It’s not surprising that a team with such an old school approach to the game is so dead set on defending.

If an old fart like me can see this, I’m not sure what to say really.
- FlyerFan3260

Dave Scott, the man calling the shots, has zero clue what he is doing. He can pretend to, but his knowledge is limited to what the advisors in his ear are whispering to him.

The coaching hire will be heralded as a return to Flyers Hockey, as if that has any meaning anymore.

Well, it does have meaning, just the complete opposite of what the old men think it does.

This team gets a huge yawn from me. It is just all so predictable. This team will hire a decent coach and have better luck with injuries next season, enough so that they will be a playoff bubble team but not a contender. Dave Scott and crew will package it up and stamp it on a lunch box as a return to form and proof that their methods work. When in fact no one cares this team becomes first round fodder for the truly contending teams.

Source? So the President of the Bruins announced Cassidy MAY not be back?
- MJL

Yes in today's pres conference, he also said his pal Sweeny will be back

Dave Scott, the man calling the shots, has zero clue what he is doing. He can pretend to, but his knowledge is limited to what the advisors in his ear are whispering to him.

The coaching hire will be heralded as a return to Flyers Hockey, as if that has any meaning anymore.

Well, it does have meaning, just the complete opposite of what the old men think it does.

This team gets a huge yawn from me. It is just all so predictable. This team will hire a decent coach and have better luck with injuries next season, enough so that they will be a playoff bubble team but not a contender. Dave Scott and crew will package it up and stamp it on a lunch box as a return to form and proof that their methods work. When in fact no one cares this team becomes first round fodder for the truly contending teams.
- StepfordSam

As if being those Trotz Nashville teams, or Minnesota under Fletcher is something to aspire to.

Perpetual first round champions at best.

The focus on defense can be rationalized somewhat. Continually bereft of high end forwards, they are trying to focus on the part of the game that they believe the team might be able to win. Along with such a fixation on nonsense intangibles, and leadership.

This has been some of the most boring hockey I have witnessed in a long time. Going back to Hakstol. Continuing to try, and turn this into some try hard 90s Devils team is so strange. They think fans will line up to watch such a product? For a few more wins?

It’s just a loser mentality. Doubling down on this is disturbing.

The Philadelphia Flyers need to aspire to be something better. What’s preventing this team from becoming a Tampa, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Colorado, Washington, hell or even a Toronto or Florida?

The men leading the direction of this franchise are inept. God forbid we try to get a young superstar or two to help make watching this slop enjoyable.

Wasn’t Vigneault supposed to be what Trotz is coming in to do?

The focus here is just so wrong. Talent is the issue, the lack of which is continually ignored.

FA, “hockey trades”, and no coach will solve that issue. We are sadly just delaying the inevitable, yet again. Time after time.

The focus on defense I don’t agree with.

Do they bleed goals? Sure they do.

It’s just that people focus on that aspect of the game far too much in my opinion. The Flyers are putrid when it comes to the offensive side of the game especially in creative transition.

I’m expecting the counter to be that good defense leads to offense, but it goes the other way around too.

Or should I say possession. Trotz far too willingly engages his teams in 50/50 battles when it is not necessary.

It’s not surprising that a team with such an old school approach to the game is so dead set on defending.

If an old fart like me can see this, I’m not sure what to say really.
- FlyerFan3260

I've been largely in complete agreement on your opinions. I think you're a bright poster and one of the smartest. However on this one, while I'm not in disagreement. I'm also not in complete agreement.

I think you're correct on the focus on possession. Winning hockey is attacking hockey and playing with the puck. No matter how well you defend, you won't win playing defense first hockey. By winning I mean legitimately contending for the Cup.

The problem with Trotz style of play is that unless you have elite offensive players, it won't create enough offense. It's not the modern style of the top teams.
That's the negative.

The positives are that there is no doubt that he will improve the team and it's cohesiveness. They'll be afar more competitive. He'll likely be very good for players like Sanheim, Provorov and Hart. He'll break this teams bad habits and have them play as a team.

The ultimate issue is that long term, unless the Flyers get lucky in the draft. It would likely only result in the Flyers perpetually being stuck in hockey purgatory.

Yes in today's pres conference, he also said his pal Sweeny will be back
- jd250

I know you're paraphrasing but that's not exactly what he said.

Just watched Bundy on the Nasty Knuckles pod cast…talk about hitting it on the head about the current Flyers and the Flyers team in the last 8 years. Fantastic take that so many long term fans share. From a guy that played here and although there appears some animosity towards todays stewards of the club still gives a poop. Fantastic interview.

I've been largely in complete agreement on your opinions. I think you're a bright poster and one of the smartest. However on this one, while I'm not in disagreement. I'm also not in complete agreement.

I think you're correct on the focus on possession. Winning hockey is attacking hockey and playing with the puck. No matter how well you defend, you won't win playing defense first hockey. By winning I mean legitimately contending for the Cup.

The problem with Trotz style of play is that unless you have elite offensive players, it won't create enough offense. It's not the modern style of the top teams.
That's the negative.

The positives are that there is no doubt that he will improve the team and it's cohesiveness. They'll be afar more competitive. He'll likely be very good for players like Sanheim, Provorov and Hart. He'll break this teams bad habits and have them play as a team.

The ultimate issue is that long term, unless the Flyers get lucky in the draft. It would likely only result in the Flyers perpetually being stuck in hockey purgatory.
- MJL

Appreciate that, and thank you.

We are on a similar page for many things. It’s also okay to disagree on some. I am not foolish enough to say there is no value in the viewpoints of others.

Trotz isn’t a bad coach. Quite the opposite, and I wish we could say they are close enough with a talented young core to hire him.

As you say, he’s going to keep them in hockey purgatory. After the last decade, that cannot happen again so willingly.

Just watched Bundy on the Nasty Knuckles pod cast…talk about hitting it on the head about the current Flyers and the Flyers team in the last 8 years. Fantastic take that so many long term fans share. From a guy that played here and although there appears some animosity towards todays stewards of the club still gives a poop. Fantastic interview.
- landros 2

The current stewards of the team are the primary problem.

It pains me to say that, because I never thought I would dislike some of those men. They aren’t leading the team in a proper direction.

Bundy has a voice that I do sometimes agree with, but his loyalty to some of the Flyer alumni very much influences his opinions.

The current stewards of the team are the primary problem.

It pains me to say that, because I never thought I would dislike some of those men. They aren’t leading the team in a proper direction.

Bundy has a voice that I do sometimes agree with, but his loyalty to some of the Flyer alumni very much influences his opinions.
- FlyerFan3260

What ever influences his opinions he hit the nail on the head…he talked beyond both Fletch and Hextall and their now obvious missteps….he talked culture, he talked how the corporation now running the show has run this once proud team into the ground. I had never really listened to his honest opinions. (Probably because they were muted so much when he was employed by the team). But his comments were really something to behold.

Appreciate that, and thank you.

We are on a similar page for many things. It’s also okay to disagree on some. I am not foolish enough to say there is no value in the viewpoints of others.

Trotz isn’t a bad coach. Quite the opposite, and I wish we could say they are close enough with a talented young core to hire him.

As you say, he’s going to keep them in hockey purgatory. After the last decade, that cannot happen again so willingly.
- FlyerFan3260

So what HC candidate could get the best out of Hart? Or is he already in your mind reached the peak of his performamce in the playoff bubble?

Bundy has a voice that I do sometimes agree with, but his loyalty to some of the Flyer alumni very much influences his opinions.
- FlyerFan3260

I'm listening to the podcast and after a few minutes of Therien talking, I find myself in complete disagreement with him. He's talking about statues being moved and the lack of physicality in the game as the issues with the team. I listen to more but so far in terms of the real issues here. I don't agree. So far.

Therien

"You can't have people from outside Philadelphia involved. This is a unique situation here."
Talking about the Flyers culture. LOL

What ever influences his opinions he hit the nail on the head…he talked beyond both Fletch and Hextall and their now obvious missteps….he talked culture, he talked how the corporation now running the show has run this once proud team into the ground. I had never really listened to his honest opinions. (Probably because they were muted so much when he was employed by the team). But his comments were really something to behold.
- landros 2

He has been quite vocal since joining Snow The Goalie.

It’s refreshing I have to admit. I can’t agree with a return to Flyers culture. It’s what’s kept them in a mess they are in. Why can’t we respect the past, and move on?

Nobody is saying to spit on their legacies as players but it’s time to move on in the big picture. Comcast very much so had that right, and it would have been okay if the results backed it up.

They didn’t, and that old Flyer guard that got apparently shunned by Hextall was wrongly trusted by Scott yet again. Or so it seems anyway.

We can have a physical team while respecting the past. Building a contender that maintains that status is something that they aren’t going to find the answers for internally. That’s clear as day.

They desperately needed a Zito. Shanahan. Yzerman. Need a MacFarland.

So what HC candidate could get the best out of Hart? Or is he already in your mind reached the peak of his performamce in the playoff bubble?
- Trox88

This might be classified as a hot take, but I kind of think Hart will be the sacrificial lamb here. His career will pay the price for continued front office ineptitude.

I’m not sure why the next HC hire should just be about getting the best out of a goalie. You are fully correct that Trotz or Tortorella hockey benefits goaltenders.

Our season is saved!! Nick seeler signed for 2 more years!
#TankWatch2 is on!

Sign those AHL guys, fletchypoo!!!

I'm listening to the podcast and after a few minutes of Therien talking, I find myself in complete disagreement with him. He's talking about statues being moved and the lack of physicality in the game as the issues with the team. I listen to more but so far in terms of the real issues here. I don't agree. So far.
- MJL

He’s annoyed at the corporate culture that has overtaken the Flyers. I can find myself sympathizing with him for that.

He’s entitled to his opinion, but the way he talks about rebuilding I disagree with strongly. He wants to rebuild into the Flyer teams he played for in a league that has changed.

He has a romanticized view of Philadelphia that isn’t fully accurate. Talent wins. Effort, and old school Flyer grit come second. That’s the lesson this team needs to acknowledge.