Malkin 4 years @ 7.1M per
Letang 4 years @ 8.5M per
Rust 6 years @ 6.0M per
Rakell 5 years @ 5.0M per

Trade Dumoulin or Pettersson.
Try to trade Zucker.
- Barnaby36

Dude give Zucker a chance.

Red Sox were already a top spender before FSG and couldn’t win…
- Feds91Stammer

Another solid point.

Imo you don't keep Rust and Rackell, you target Kadri or Trochek and move Malkin to the wing.

Look, I'm not the hugest Malkin fan but his talent is still there. Instead of forcing him to play down low in the D zone, they need to just unleash him on offence, similar to what they did with Kessel. Throw him on the wing and let him blow the zone. Force the opposing D to gamble on holding the line or bailing to cover Malkin. Just let him focus purely on scoring.

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X-Trochek-Malkin

There are countless guys you could put in those x spots who could have huge success at cheaper rates than Rust and Rackell.
- MacPatty

You don't want the guy that lead the forwards with 3.68 takeaways per 60 minutes to play Center anymore?

Imo you don't keep Rust and Rackell, you target Kadri or Trochek and move Malkin to the wing.

Look, I'm not the hugest Malkin fan but his talent is still there. Instead of forcing him to play down low in the D zone, they need to just unleash him on offence, similar to what they did with Kessel. Throw him on the wing and let him blow the zone. Force the opposing D to gamble on holding the line or bailing to cover Malkin. Just let him focus purely on scoring.

Jake-Crosby-x
X-Trochek-Malkin

There are countless guys you could put in those x spots who could have huge success at cheaper rates than Rust and Rackell.
- MacPatty

Once again. Trocheck is going to Detroit with Rust.

Once again. Trocheck is going to Detroit with Rust.
- Feds91Stammer

Oh F off with your up and coming roster and stud GM hahaha

Oh F off with your up and coming roster and stud GM hahaha
- MattStrat

Well it’s all I have. 7 years of brutal hockey is enough for me.

I think people arent giving FSG a fair shake. Yes, they are businessmen first, but you dont get results in markets like Liverpool or Pittsburgh without results, heck, even in Boston, its about results. So these guys are committed to winning and I think a rebuild or retooling is much easier when you have billions to help you.

People should look at Liverpool more so than the Red Sox. FSG is big on analytics and uses it to help them make transfer decisions where they find undervalued players who fit their system. Since taking over Liverpool, they have been one of the most successful clubs in Europe, and they did it without throwing more money at the team than any other team. Manchester City has spent almost a billion dollars whereas Liverpool spent half of that, and you can argue Liverpool has been the more successful club.

So when I look at the Penguins situation, they arent going to rebuild for the sake of rebuilding. They also bought the team with the understanding of how valuable this core remains despite their ages. So I cant see them buying the team with the goal to break them up after less than a year. I think its safe to say they arent hockey guys, but they werent soccer guys either. The whole point is they find the right guys to run these teams. That's why I think Burke and Hextall are in trouble, because they arent the best. FSG would rather pony up for the best than pay average wages to average guys.

Here's a link to a piece on Liverpool and how analytics helped change them:

https://www.nytimes.com/2...occer-data-liverpool.html

Well it’s all I have. 7 years of brutal hockey is enough for me.
- Feds91Stammer

haha no doubt...and we're heading for a similar era in the not too distant future...

Dude give Zucker a chance.
- Feds91Stammer

He's a good player but he's making $2-3M higher than he should. If he was making $3-3.5M I wouldn't be looking to trade him honestly.

haha no doubt...and we're heading for a similar era in the not too distant future...
- MattStrat

Pens might get lucky with FSG. Detroit ownership was far too loyal with Holland. Let him drive that thing way into the ground.

So best case scenario you keep Malkin, Letang, Rust and Rakell. What roster moves do you make to help the team.
- Grinder47

Yeah its not like that Roster has done much in 4 years. But hey make another run at it. FSG will want deep playoff runs to make bank.

I think people arent giving FSG a fair shake. Yes, they are businessmen first, but you dont get results in markets like Liverpool or Pittsburgh without results, heck, even in Boston, its about results. So these guys are committed to winning and I think a rebuild or retooling is much easier when you have billions to help you.

People should look at Liverpool more so than the Red Sox. FSG is big on analytics and uses it to help them make transfer decisions where they find undervalued players who fit their system. Since taking over Liverpool, they have been one of the most successful clubs in Europe, and they did it without throwing more money at the team than any other team. Manchester City has spent almost a billion dollars whereas Liverpool spent half of that, and you can argue Liverpool has been the more successful club.

So when I look at the Penguins situation, they arent going to rebuild for the sake of rebuilding. They also bought the team with the understanding of how valuable this core remains despite their ages. So I cant see them buying the team with the goal to break them up after less than a year. I think its safe to say they arent hockey guys, but they werent soccer guys either. The whole point is they find the right guys to run these teams. That's why I think Burke and Hextall are in trouble, because they arent the best. FSG would rather pony up for the best than pay average wages to average guys.

Here's a link to a piece on Liverpool and how analytics helped change them:

https://www.nytimes.com/2...occer-data-liverpool.html
- SuperHenderson13

They should be in trouble. Hex had the tail end of hte window and pretty much did nothing other than extend an older player and give a bad contract to McGinn.

My bet would be he would sign Letang and Malkin to whatever # they want and call it a win.

Yeah its not like that Roster has done much in 4 years. But hey make another run at it. FSG will want deep playoff runs to make bank.
- sammy87

Pens centers 5v5 playoff goal differential

Crosby: +2
Malkin: +6
Carter: -6
Blueger: 0

Mark Madden said on the air in Pittsburgh yesterday that FSG was not impressed with how Burke acted in the GM box during games. Apparently lots of foul language directed towards players when they made a mistake during a game. Madden said the FSG people were not at all happy with this.
Seems almost too obvious that Burke and Hextall are on their way out...

Pens centers 5v5 playoff goal differential

Crosby: +2
Malkin: +6
Carter: -6
Blueger: 0
- Feds91Stammer

Dude only comes out of his cave when the Pens are losing. When the Pens were winning cups with players he tried to poop on, he went into hibernation.

Mark Madden said on the air in Pittsburgh yesterday that FSG was not impressed with how Burke acted in the GM box during games. Apparently lots of foul language directed towards players when they made a mistake during a game. Madden said the FSG people were not at all happy with this.
Seems almost too obvious that Burke and Hextall are on their way out...
- Amanion

Burke is a known clown and it’s pretty clear Hextall is a moron. They’re gonzo.

Mark Madden said on the air in Pittsburgh yesterday that FSG was not impressed with how Burke acted in the GM box during games. Apparently lots of foul language directed towards players when they made a mistake during a game. Madden said the FSG people were not at all happy with this.
Seems almost too obvious that Burke and Hextall are on their way out...
- Amanion

Truculence.

Pens centers 5v5 playoff goal differential

Crosby: +2
Malkin: +6
Carter: -6
Blueger: 0
- Feds91Stammer

Were you not paying attention to the last 4 years of hte same result? Or the part where Geno Machino had only 1 shot in a game 7?

Were you not paying attention to the last 4 years of hte same result? Or the part where Geno Machino had only 1 shot in a game 7?
- sammy87

Ah yes. Having a 1C as your 2C is the problem. Solid analysis.

Mark Madden said on the air in Pittsburgh yesterday that FSG was not impressed with how Burke acted in the GM box during games. Apparently lots of foul language directed towards players when they made a mistake during a game. Madden said the FSG people were not at all happy with this.
Seems almost too obvious that Burke and Hextall are on their way out...
- Amanion

They should move soon. The quicker they can figure out Letang, Malkin, Rust the better when FA hits. My guess it Hex wont be able to make any big moves without handholding.

Were you not paying attention to the last 4 years of hte same result? Or the part where Geno Machino had only 1 shot in a game 7?
- sammy87

Pens centers 5v5 playoff goal differential

Crosby: +2
Malkin: +6
Carter: -6
Blueger: 0
- Feds91Stammer

This is why Im optimistic about FSG. I think a lot owners might come in and panic over 4 years of letdowns and do something stupid. FSG will look at the data and see the realities that this was a good team for the last 2 years and failed to advance due to things like bad luck with injuries, below average goaltending, etc.

The Penguins should change for next year, but I dont subscribe to the thought they should make wholesale and crazy changes. Move out underperforming pieces, find a few finishers for the bottom 6, find a better backup goalie... then run it back.

What about Brian Burke in all of this

What about Brian Burke in all of this
- Alexzanki

He's getting canned.

You don't want the guy that lead the forwards with 3.68 takeaways per 60 minutes to play Center anymore?
- j.boyd919

I'm not sure why that means he wouldn't be better suited to playing wing at this point in his career? You can still work for takeaways while playing the wing. Malkin is also far and away the worst on the team at faceoffs which is a pretty damn big part of the position.

Going further, everyone ripped on Carter and a lot of that was deserved as he did not look good. But he is an offensive center and it should tell you something that Sullivan felt he needed to bury him with a defensive role at a 31% OZS rate vs Malkins 83%!!!! So no poop that Malkin had amazing CF, Xgf, etc.... he only ever started possessions in the offensive zone.

For me, it is all about putting guys in position to maximize their skillset. Malkin is WAY better offensively than defensively, so do whatever it takes to get the puck on his stick in an attacking position. So to answer your question, no, that one cherry picked stat doesn't want me to keep playing Malkin at center.