I've heard this story before and I'd rather us go for an elite level forward anyway
- 2Real

Curious, what forwards do you believe have the chance to be elite. I'm a fan of Slavkovsky and Cooley. I like Savoie as a tier below. I do want to learn more about Nazar.

Trotz really would be a very on brand hire.

I’m not sure I can think of a recent franchise that’s so tone deaf to its fanbase. We have all watched a product that’s not only been distasteful in its results, but also how it plays the game.

They want to double down on the naive dream of contention, and making this the most boring unlikeable team. Do these people think fans don’t see hockey outside of Philadelphia? How some of the best teams approach the game?

I just can’t understand their line of thinking, that fans are going to line up to watch a team bereft of any stars try to shutdown teams game, after game.

Trotz cannot happen. It’s garbage hockey, that the old guard influencing this team cannot let go of.
- FlyerFan3260

It would be on brand to hire him. Get a season or two of success, just to fire him after one bad season. I personally believe we need to choose a path and walk it for better or worse. Like Laviolette in my mind was a guy we should have ran with but fired him because we didn’t trust his very successful system.

It would be on brand to hire him. Get a season or two of success, just to fire him after one bad season. I personally believe we need to choose a path and walk it for better or worse. Like Laviolette in my mind was a guy we should have ran with but fired him because we didn’t trust his very successful system.
- SuperSchennBros

I don't get this sentiment about Lavy at all. His time had ran out in Philly just like it does everywhere he goes. His ra ra run and gun style has a shelf life of about three years and then he goes poooooof. Just look at his track record from the past. He has a tendency to do well his first couple of years or so and then results start to taper off. Not saying he is a bad coach, but he was done here when they let him go.

Certainly could happen that scenerio. An organization has to hire the best candidate for head coach at the time of a vacancy. For me that is Trotz. Now if there is an issue with scouting or team management, that would not stop me from hiring the best candidate at the time for head coach. I'm no fan of Fletcher. However, not trying to hire Trotz because of Fletcher's failures just does not make sense to me.
- Trox88

All very good points.

That was my reaction as well. Don’t the Jets have a relatively small ownership group? If I were Trotz I’d say “Hey guess what. I talked to Comcast and they’re offering X more. Beat their offer.”
- hereticpride

He's a proven NHL Stanley Cup winning head coach. He's already worth top dollar. He doesn't need to play that game.

I don't get this sentiment about Lavy at all. His time had ran out in Philly just like it does everywhere he goes. His ra ra run and gun style has a shelf life of about three years and then he goes poooooof. Just look at his track record from the past. He has a tendency to do well his first couple of years or so and then results start to taper off. Not saying he is a bad coach, but he was done here when they let him go.
- Phillywhiteout

You don’t get a lot of things. Three cup final appearances and a ring is all you need to know.

You don’t get a lot of things. Three cup final appearances and a ring is all you need to know.
- SuperSchennBros

I'm well aware, but please go back and look at when those were achieved. Early in his tenures at those places. Took the Flyers to the Finals in his first year here. The dude has an obvious shelf life. I rest my case and thanks!

I'm well aware, but please go back and look at when those were achieved. Early in his tenures at those places. Took the Flyers to the Finals in his first year here. The dude has an obvious shelf life. I rest my case and thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

You mean 5 years ago in 2017, which was the last time Laviolette saw a final with Nashville?

That was my reaction as well. Don’t the Jets have a relatively small ownership group? If I were Trotz I’d say “Hey guess what. I talked to Comcast and they’re offering X more. Beat their offer.”
- hereticpride

Aren't they owned by True North, an American hats Media company?

Maybe the Jets owners have deep pockets but short arms?

Curious, what forwards do you believe have the chance to be elite. I'm a fan of Slavkovsky and Cooley. I like Savoie as a tier below. I do want to learn more about Nazar.
- Trox88

All of them. chuckles has the magic touch -- look at how tk has progressed

I think Savoie, like Travis Konecny, will be better off at wing than center as a pro although he has played center often as a junior.

Some scouts say that Savoie will require his fair share of developmental patience as a pro. I have talked to scouts who think he will need 2-3 pro seasons (4-5 years post draft) for him to start figuring out what will work for him at the NHL level.

Otherwise, he may not getting enough puck touches if he doesn't adapt. Good speed. Very good puck skills. Has the makings of a good PP guy. But he may not fast-track to being an NHL impact player. There will be a multi-year process involved to evolve his game and get stronger physically.

The possibility for a protracted learning curve as a pro is why Button doesn't have Savoie in his personal top 15, although he believes the player could go in the top 10 or so and there's a potential nice reward on the other side of the process if handled right. Very similar to what he's said of Morgan Frost.
- bmeltzer

I'm a fan of drafting Savoie. Assuming Wright, Cooley, Nemec and Slafkovsky are off the board.

Something that intrigued me about Savoie is his 5 v 5 stats. His Points /60 5 v 5 is a remarkable 3.80, Goals /60 at 1.61 and Assists /60 at 2.20. A large portion of his point production was earned while playing 5 v 5.

Savoie also has a stellar 1.39 PPG, when compared to past WHL players. He's right in between Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Barzal and Point. Pretty good company.

Savoie also won 4 of the 10 drills at the Sport Testing Combine for the CHL Top Prospects game. They gave all 40 players in attendance a chance to compete. Savoie won the 30M Forward Skate w/puck, Weave Agility w/puck, Transition Agility and Reaction w/puck. Clinching 1st overall at the combine with combined scores.

The Flyers could really use a player like this.

You mean 5 years ago in 2017, which was the last time Laviolette saw a final with Nashville?
- SuperSchennBros

If you slow down and actually read my comment you would understand what I am saying. I guess I should type slower? I said, that Lavy has his successes early in his tenures with the teams he coaches. What year was 2017 as far as his tenure in Nashville? It was his third year. The guy basically has a 3 or 4 year shelf life with each team he coaches before things go haywire. He was in his fourth year with the Flyers when he was fired and he was done. Hell, he was fired in Carolina not long after actually winning the Cup.

Sounds like Hextall is all but gone in Pittsburgh. The new ownership group asked him what his vision was for the franchise going forward awhile back and he basically said that the vision was in his head and not easily articulated in a written word. Eh what?

If you slow down and actually read my comment you would understand what I am saying. I guess I should type slower? I said, that Lavy has his successes early in his tenures with the teams he coaches. What year was 2017 as far as his tenure in Nashville? It was his third year. The guy basically has a 3 or 4 year shelf life with each team he coaches before things go haywire. He was in his fourth year with the Flyers when he was fired and he was done. Hell, he was fired in Carolina not long after actually winning the Cup.
- Phillywhiteout

Type slower? You’re an idiot!

Laviolette was fired as Flyers head coach because management wanted him to adjust his system so it worked in favor of less talented defensemen such as Luke Schenn and Nickolas Grossmann, which was a mistake. It took years after his firing until the Flyers adjusted to the shift in direction the NHL was taking. That’s why we drafted played like Provorov and Sanheim. Defenseman that could actually move the puck up ice.

I want Trotz yesterday! This team needs to learn how to play defense and if nothing else he will bring that element with him.

More crap coming out about Arizona today about contingencies of playing in that arena. Buttman is a joke to let an NHL team play in a 4,800 seat arena for what could be up to 7 years. Revive the Nordiques!! We went to a few Flyers games up there in the early 90's and the building was always full with a great atmosphere! Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Agreed about Trotz but can't help but think why he'd want to come here and deal with this mess?
That's awesome you got to see the Flyers in Quebec! I miss the Nordiques!

Flames are toyin with the Oil. Look like an NHL team against a high school team. Yikes!

Type slower? You’re an idiot!

Laviolette was fired as Flyers head coach because management wanted him to adjust his system so it worked in favor of less talented defensemen such as Luke Schenn and Nickolas Grossmann, which was a mistake. It took years after his firing until the Flyers adjusted to the shift in direction the NHL was taking. That’s why we drafted played like Provorov and Sanheim. Defenseman that could actually move the puck up ice.
- SuperSchennBros

Oh, I get it. So you have the inside scoop as to why he was fired? He had lost the team. If you didn't see that you need to go back to hockey 101 school. It's really not nearly as complicated as you are trying to make it out to be. What has Lavy won since he left Philly? I'll wait....... The next time you say "You're an idiot" you should probably consider looking in the mirror. Thanks once again!

Oh, I get it. So you have the inside scoop as to why he was fired? He had lost the team. If you didn't see that you need to go back to hockey 101 school. It's really not nearly as complicated as you are trying to make it out to be. What has Lavy won since he left Philly? I'll wait....... The next time you say "You're an idiot" you should probably consider looking in the mirror. Thanks once again!

- Phillywhiteout

This was widely known at the time. You do realize Bill Meltzer is our inside scoop, right?

I'm assuming you just mistakenly replaced Torts for Trotz who is being interviewed. I really hope Barry will bring his goalie coach Mitch Korn with him. He is a difference maker. Not sure if the Isles retained him with the hiring of Lambert.
- Trox88

Trotz and Mitch are very good friends and Mitch always follows Barry wherever he goes. Sorokin is a high end talent but there is no doubt Mitch has made him better.

My guess is Trotz gets hired within the next 2 weeks. With my scenerio, he loses leverage as jobs get filled. I would be surprised if the next HC opening filled is not Trotz.
- Trox88

Then you will be surprised...no way Trotz is coming here when he will have his choice of jobs. Why come to a team that is in such bad shape at this point in his career ?. Not like its an original 6 team that sometimes is appealing to a coach

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/it-s-unlikely-the-flyers-land-gaudreau/ar-AAXo1rh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=35691088edca432e9b08f8300b54d626

now this is funny as hell
- hello it's me 2050

I posted that article on another board. That guy is an f'in idiot - not because he said it is unlikely we get Gaudreau (that is a good thing), but his trade scenarios are God awful

Then you will be surprised...no way Trotz is coming here when he will have his choice of jobs. Why come to a team that is in such bad shape at this point in his career ?. Not like its an original 6 team that sometimes is appealing to a coach
- hfc355

You read my post wrong unfortunately. I feel Trotz would be the next HC hired. I never mentioned a team. Again, I feel Barry Trotz will be the next HC to be hired after Lane Lambert. And as before I have no idea which team that will be.

Sounds like Hextall is all but gone in Pittsburgh. The new ownership group asked him what his vision was for the franchise going forward awhile back and he basically said that the vision was in his head and not easily articulated in a written word. Eh what?
- Phillywhiteout

Source?

I posted that article on another board. That guy is an f'in idiot - not because he said it is unlikely we get Gaudreau (that is a good thing), but his trade scenarios are God awful
- mr4tno

I agree. When has a team ever given up the kind of packages he suggests for the rights to a pending UFA?

I'm a fan of drafting Savoie. Assuming Wright, Cooley, Nemec and Slafkovsky are off the board.

Something that intrigued me about Savoie is his 5 v 5 stats. His Points /60 5 v 5 is a remarkable 3.80, Goals /60 at 1.61 and Assists /60 at 2.20. A large portion of his point production was earned while playing 5 v 5.

Savoie also has a stellar 1.39 PPG, when compared to past WHL players. He's right in between Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Barzal and Point. Pretty good company.

Savoie also won 4 of the 10 drills at the Sport Testing Combine for the CHL Top Prospects game. They gave all 40 players in attendance a chance to compete. Savoie won the 30M Forward Skate w/puck, Weave Agility w/puck, Transition Agility and Reaction w/puck. Clinching 1st overall at the combine with combined scores.

The Flyers could really use a player like this.
- dubc55

Winnipeg is a stacked team. That helps.